Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

[snake]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not really. They just put a crapload of makeup and prosthetics on him.

http://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w342/mBy1Z...c8ChhC0YD1.jpg

Into...

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...ung_Tarkin.jpg

http://moa.omnimulti.com/images/thum...ung_tarkin.jpg

Oh wow, I've never seen him without all the makeup. Yeah. Still I'm sure they could have aged him up using more makeup or found another look alike.

[plastroncafe]

I was finally able to catch this movie on Christmas Day.
Overall I liked it, but I wouldn't go recommending it to someone who isn't already a HUGE fan of the franchise. It's far too insular a flick to be considered a good standalone movie, IMHO.

I really liked getting back to that world.
I thought the acting was good overall, loved what Tudyk brought to the table...as per usual. The CG stuff was distracting, but not entirely in a negative way. I just found myself watching the animation more than say, paying attention to what the characters were doing/saying during those scenes.

Kind of like the water effects in Moana, but less so.

It really makes me want to mainline all the cartoons.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by snake

Oh wow, I've never seen him without all the makeup. Yeah. Still I'm sure they could have aged him up using more makeup or found another look alike.

Yeah, they brought back the lady who played Mothma in unused ROTS scenes, why not do the same with Tarkin? Still could have dubbed him with Stephen Stanton.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah, they brought back the lady who played Mothma in unused ROTS scenes, why not do the same with Tarkin?

Because Wayne Pygram was never supposed to pass for Tarkin beyond a single faraway shot. And, outside of heavy makeup and prosthetic, looks nothing like Tarkin.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Part of the decision may have been based on a desire to show off new computer technology... if that's the case, then I think it backfired on them.

[snake]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Part of the decision may have been based on a desire to show off new computer technology... if that's the case, then I think it backfired on them.

The only time I've seen complaints about Tarkin is when I'm browsing the internet. Everyone I know in real life thought he looked amazing.

[plastroncafe]

People complaining loudly about something that didn't work for them, on my internet?

It's more likely than you think.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by snake

I'm probably in the minority but Leia looked perfect IMO. Tarkin was a little rough but I could handle it. I wish they used the same guy from ROTS and aged him up a bit, because he looked EXACTLY like Cushing.

Yeah, I had no problems with the effects either.

[sdp]

I finally saw the movie and I've got mixed feelings, I enjoyed a lot of things about it but there are too many "Why?"s for me to actually say I liked it. As vocal as I've been about The Force Awakens I think it's a better movie even if this movie has far less things that annoy me if that makes any sense. I had accidentally read a few spoilers but of stuff I already knew or suspected was going to happen so it didn't affect me a lot.

I have a problem with the spin-offs and it being annual from the get go as I've mentioned in the Rogue One and Han-Solo threads. And I understand for this reason Disney want to make sure we understand this is a spin-off and not one of the "ones that count" but I think it was handled the wrong way. The movie begins with "A long time a go in a galaxy far far away..." but then there's no opening crawl..I know this had been debated and I felt either way was fine, we've had previous spin-off films like the Ewoks' without one and spin-offs that do have them like Clone Wars. But I really felt I needed it, especially after the a long time ago message. I felt like I was given blue balls after not getting my reward after being teased. The next point is the music which is kind of Star Warsy but some scenes just needed the Star Wars music and I think it was only used in the Vader scene which oddly enough didn't need it as much. Ok so this isn't a "main" Star Wars movie but that doesn't mean it can't have the music, it's part of what makes the franchise stand out. Sure you can have a majority of new music but some classic themes have to be there especially when your movie is basically a direct prequel to one of the main films so it shares a lot of visual content. And yet the end credits can have the classic Star Wars ending? Why break the rules there? And if they want to separate the spin-offs from the main series ones why did they not market The Force Awakens as Episode VII instead of just leaving it in the opening crawl? Think of all the Star Wars video games and would they really be the same without the music? It adds to the experience, even the opening crawl that you see in the games, it's something Star Wars should continue to use even if it's a spin-off.

To be a little positive I liked Director Krennic a lot, I think I read some scenes of him were cut and that would be a shame since he was one of the best characters. Jyn was an alright character and probably better motivated than Rey. The X-Wing fight was awesome and really enjoyed it. I think I've read a few people not like the CG? Overall I thought it was really good, sure you can tell Tarkin/Leia are CG since they look a bit like wax figures but they still look more realistic than the random aliens they create for the movies so that's my counter-argument the bug lady from The Force Awakens looks 100 times more fake than Tarkin or Leia.

I read a lot of things about how it made the original trilogy better or how much more complex the situation had become thanks to this movie but I don't really see any of that, on the contrary it was not something we needed to see. The movie was a little long and boring for me, we have a lot of parts that just go on that should've been cut and made it a shorter but tighter movie. We have way too many characters..so many that I only remember Jyn's and Krennic's names the other guys I'm looking up them up to be able to mention them here. Cassian was a good supporting character even if we never really find out much about him and thought the whole end of almost kissing and then holding hands like out of the blue but I don't care either way. Donnie Yen is awesome but his character here was lame, he did nothing besides knock out stormtroopers with a stick that felt more out of place than when ewoks did it; His friend Baze Malbus was alright. The Bodhi Rook was interesting, I wish we had gotten more on him instead of the others who also didn't get much development. The droid K-2SO was good for the most part and Saw Guerrera who apparently appeared in the Clone Wars cartoon which I think is awesome didn't have much reason to be in the movie and could've easily been cut but I really liked him and was sad to see him go out so early making his appearance pointless instead of really adding complexity to the plot.

I was afraid of how Vader was going to be handled and out of his three scenes only the last one was appropriate and awesome. The other two didn't need to be there and while it was cool to hear Vader (who sounded off in a few lines) he just didn't need to be there and does take a bit form his character more than any "nooooooo" ever could. Tarkin was also used too much while I was a fan of the CG as I mentioned he took time from Krennic. I also realized that if Tarkin is such an awesome villain that we should get more movies with him so regardless of what I think the CG went they should've recasted so they had an actor who can play him in other movies. While the final fight was pretty cool it also felt too big for what it was, it was basically busier than the Death Star battle and yet this was supposed to be a smaller conflict.

Some parts maybe because of lack of music or different mood made it seem like a fan film. And yeah it's a spin-off and it should do different things from Star Wars movies but it lacked a bit of the Star Wars magic and I don't think it was because it was too dark but because the story itself is so connected to the original trilogy that it doesn't fit well with them. The Force Awakens has that "Star Wars magic" even if I was not a big fan of that film on the other hand at least Rogue One is more original than Episode VII. So I'm unsure how I feel about it, it's not a bad movie but it's not great either and almost everything about the movie felt unnecessary as I've mentioned through out. I'm glad I watched it on theaters though but I feel after this one like other spin-off films can definitely be skipped like the young Han Solo film and be selective to what I watch on theaters or what can wait for me to watch at home.

I'll be reading the thread now and probably replying to some of you guys here.

[sdp]

I forgot how boring the opening scene was until reading the comments, and from what I see a lot of you agree with me.

One thing i just noticed this movie retcons Episode II where we see it's the geonosian's who created the Death Star, now before someone here "explains to me" about how in "comic/book" it was explained that blahblahblah doesn't matter it's never shown on screen anywhere if you just watch the movies and these are the type of retcons the EU was known for so it's all the same mess now.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well, you're not wrong but I can kind of see the frustration of looking forward to finally getting to see Darth Vader, but only actually getting like a minute and a half of it at the end of Episode III.

"A Star Wars Story: PURGE" could be pretty great.

That's what I want, sure you can have these movies with Vader for a minute doing his thing but no more. If you want to show Vader more give him his movie on how he eliminates all the remaining Jedi or a mission the Emperor gave him. We don't need a backstory we just want to see Vader being a badass like at the end of the movie. And this movie needs to be done now while James Earl Jones is still alive, I don't think his Vader is perfect anymore based on the pilot of Rebels and here but he still nails it most of the time.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Marvel isn't Lucasfilm. Spare me the Disney argument.

I think it's preposterous to think they would intentionally make a weaker movie to appease a market that hasn't been a big money generator for the franchise.

China has become a major player though since it's the only place where you can see growth, of course they are interested especially since it's not a big generator yet, but they hope it'll eventually be, hence the changes made here from The Force Awakens.

And the Disney isn't Pixar/Marvel/Lucasfilm is a popular but weak argument that people keep repeating. Sure they have a certain degree of autonomy but you are kidding yourself if you think Disney really does let them do what they want, they just have some more creative freedom since Disney has seen that it works but they're still behind their shoulders supervising, so enjoy your Cars 3 that Pixar totally made that decision by themselves.

Originally Posted by snake

Anyone that thinks Tarkin looked bad is a f*cking retard. Just look at this comparison!

Spoiler:

http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/...C910&width=320http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100620213033

I liked Tarkin but what are you trying to prove with this comparison? That's the tarkin used in a kids tv show that has a cartoony art-style vs real life.

Originally Posted by Dust

While Tarkin and Leia didn't look terrible, they looked siginificantly better than Young Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy, they didn't look fully human and definitely looked off. Perhaps they could polish them for the DVD/Blu-Ray release, make them look better, but for what they did, I didn't think it was half bad.

They won't polish anyone for the BR release they're moving on with their yearly Star Wars. But I do remember reading online how Young Jeff Bridges was perfect when that Tron Legacy came out and now people complain and these are indeed superior. The technology will continue to get better, I'm sure we'll get many spin-off films of the time between Episode VI and VII with Luke/Leia/Solo all looking younger and entirely made of CG say in 20 years or so.

Originally Posted by snake

I'm probably in the minority but Leia looked perfect IMO. Tarkin was a little rough but I could handle it. I wish they used the same guy from ROTS and aged him up a bit, because he looked EXACTLY like Cushing.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not really. They just put a crapload of makeup and prosthetics on him.

http://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w342/mBy1Z...c8ChhC0YD1.jpg

Into...

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...ung_Tarkin.jpg

http://moa.omnimulti.com/images/thum...ung_tarkin.jpg

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Because Wayne Pygram was never supposed to pass for Tarkin beyond a single faraway shot. And, outside of heavy makeup and prosthetic, looks nothing like Tarkin.

Interesting, like I mentioned I thought Tarkin looked great for those short scenes but he's such an awesome villain we should see him in more movies so they should've cast someone who does look like him and have him appear in a few more movies.


edit: I think this movie's opinion will change radically in a few years, if you notice most people mention the final act as pretty much redeeming the rest but they justify the first parts of it so I think in a few years they'll see it as a bad movie with only a good finish.

[The Deadman]

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Becomes Second Highest Grossing Movie of 2016

It's funny, people tried to get that boycott on Twitter going and it fell flat on it's face.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by sdp

I forgot how boring the opening scene was until reading the comments, and from what I see a lot of you agree with me.

I liked it, but to each their own.

Originally Posted by sdp

One thing i just noticed this movie retcons Episode II where we see it's the geonosian's who created the Death Star, now before someone here "explains to me" about how in "comic/book" it was explained that blahblahblah doesn't matter it's never shown on screen anywhere if you just watch the movies and these are the type of retcons the EU was known for so it's all the same mess now.

We saw the Empire building the Death Star in Episode III. There's no retcon, esp. since the Sith were playing both sides (even Episode II shows Dooku bringing the plans to Sidious).

(FIY: The books and comics do matter. Star Wars canon is more than just the movies. The current run of tie-ins are (by official declaration) of equal canonical weight to the movies, so saying that what's onscreen is only what counts is not only wrong, it's not a decision we get to make. But whatever.)

Originally Posted by sdp

That's what I want, sure you can have these movies with Vader for a minute doing his thing but no more. If you want to show Vader more give him his movie on how he eliminates all the remaining Jedi or a mission the Emperor gave him. We don't need a backstory we just want to see Vader being a badass like at the end of the movie. And this movie needs to be done now while James Earl Jones is still alive, I don't think his Vader is perfect anymore based on the pilot of Rebels and here but he still nails it most of the time.

I've liked the current use of Vader on TV and in the movies. Just enough, but not too much.

Originally Posted by sdp

China has become a major player though since it's the only place where you can see growth, of course they are interested especially since it's not a big generator yet, but they hope it'll eventually be, hence the changes made here from The Force Awakens.

We'll see.

Originally Posted by sdp

And the Disney isn't Pixar/Marvel/Lucasfilm is a popular but weak argument that people keep repeating. Sure they have a certain degree of autonomy but you are kidding yourself if you think Disney really does let them do what they want, they just have some more creative freedom since Disney has seen that it works but they're still behind their shoulders supervising, so enjoy your Cars 3 that Pixar totally made that decision by themselves.

By all accounts, LucasFilm is the one making 99% of the creative decisions, so I think it's safe to say that Disney isn't micromanaging. After all, Rogue One was an in-house idea pitched by a staff member.

Originally Posted by sdp

They won't polish anyone for the BR release they're moving on with their yearly Star Wars. But I do remember reading online how Young Jeff Bridges was perfect when that Tron Legacy came out and now people complain and these are indeed superior. The technology will continue to get better, I'm sure we'll get many spin-off films of the time between Episode VI and VII with Luke/Leia/Solo all looking younger and entirely made of CG say in 20 years or so.

I thought the effects were fine, personally.

Originally Posted by sdp

Interesting, like I mentioned I thought Tarkin looked great for those short scenes but he's such an awesome villain we should see him in more movies so they should've cast someone who does look like him and have him appear in a few more movies.

I'm not sure we need to see him in more movies. Other canon sources have done a lot with him (Tarkin, Rebels. Across the board, he's been used a lot.

Recasting is pretty hard, anyways. Some manage to pull it off (Ewan McGregor for Sir Alec Guinness as Ben Kenobi in Star Wars, Genevieve O'Reilly for Caroline Blaskiston as Mon Mothma, also from Star Wars, and Martin Freeman for Sir Ian McKellan as Bilbo Baggins in the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies, to name a few), but it's really hard to do and can make suspension of disbelief hard.

Originally Posted by sdp

edit: I think this movie's opinion will change radically in a few years, if you notice most people mention the final act as pretty much redeeming the rest but they justify the first parts of it so I think in a few years they'll see it as a bad movie with only a good finish.

I don't know. While not a perfect movie, I think a case can be made that it's a good movie through and through. It's certainly up to par with the standard set by the series itself.

[MikeandRaph87]

Here is a lego remake of the final scene of Rogue One.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/1...rom-rogue-one/

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Recasting is pretty hard, anyways. Some manage to pull it off (Ewan McGregor for Sir Alec Guinness as Ben Kenobi in Star Wars, Genevieve O'Reilly for Caroline Blaskiston as Mon Mothma, also from Star Wars, and Martin Freeman for Sir Ian McKellan as Bilbo Baggins in the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies, to name a few), but it's really hard to do and can make suspension of disbelief hard.

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Martin Freeman was cast to replace Ian Holm who played Bilbo. Sir Ian Mckellan played Gandalf in all the middle earth movies

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Martin Freeman was cast to replace Ian Holm who played Bilbo. Sir Ian Mckellan played Gandalf in all the middle earth movies

How embarrassing!

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Martin Freeman was cast to replace Ian Holm who played Bilbo. Sir Ian Mckellan played Gandalf in all the middle earth movies

Cause they needed a younger Bilbo.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Cause they needed a younger Bilbo.

Boy, nothing gets by you, does it?

[snake]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Boy, nothing gets by you, does it?

There's still no proof that he ISN'T a robot.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Cause they needed a younger Bilbo.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by snake

The only time I've seen complaints about Tarkin is when I'm browsing the internet. Everyone I know in real life thought he looked amazing.

I've heard a few verifiable real-life humans complain about it. Their opinions ranged from 'it was a bit creepy' to 'it was disrespectful'. I thought it looked alright, if not a little distracting. They couldn't stop messing with his eyelids - making him do a weird, subtle squint that looked too 'animated' for lack of a better word.