Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

I liked it. I agree with a lot of people that it was kind’a saggy in the middle.

Agree. I saw it twice and I fell asleep in the middle part both times! Guess it's really that dull. I still love the film a lot though, the ending scenes make up for it.

[TigerClaw]

Apparently the movie originally had a different ending, It explains all the reshoots.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...storys-a147615

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Apparently the movie originally had a different ending, It explains all the reshoots.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...storys-a147615

No, that doesn't explain anything about the reshoots. He's saying in the first script they didn't die... but long before shooting the full version he shot (that they would later hire the other guy to come in and reshoot half of), everyone still died.

[Vegita-San]

meh. skip the first two thirds.. stay for the end.

even vader couldn't save this half bore fest.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I haven't seen the film but apparently, even in the more recent trailers, you can see all sorts of scenes cut that you would think would be part of huge action sequences.

Now again, haven't seen the film so I may be completely wrong here, but I have to wonder if Disney wanted a less consistently intimidating war film (because SW is for little kids, amirite?) and more focus on character moments. This might explain why some people think the film has an unusually slow pace until the end - action sequences were replaced with exposition stuff. That's what I would guess the reshoots entailed.

[Allio]

so as there has always been a debate on "how to watch star wars" one of the most popular ones is called "flashback" where you go 4 > 5 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 6 > 7

So my question is, how would you incorporate Rogue one? I would put it at the beginning, here is why.

1. Title Scroll. All the other films has this, not this one. The title scroll gives an almost "Last Time on Star Wars" kind of feel, while this one is obviously stand alone and leads into episode 4, so putting it "last" or outside the "watch" doesn't really work if you want a real good narrative.

2. Luke is the New Hope - As others have said, the brings more emphasis on episode 4 and what it meant to get the plans and destroy the death star; but it also brings out the fact that the movie makes mention that "The Jedi are no more" a couple of times in the film, so when Luke learns he is a jedi, he is literally the galaxy's new hope.

3. Darth Vader - so in the orignal film, Darth only had about 12 minutes of screen time, and only a little bit of a shadow on everyone (it wasn't really until 5 where he came off as the threat) here, not only is Vader introduced as someone that is "known and not seen" we are also given only a bit of what he can do as well as well as we have seen what he can do to just mere soldiers, meaning once we see him again in episode 4, we know he is a threat cause we have seen what he can do.

So from one's perspective.

The Empire > "There is no Hope" > an extremely dangerous person appears > Suddenly a new hope > Someone that can stand against vader > holy ****, vader is luke's father > the origin of Vader and the Jedis > How the villains won > Episode 6

[Andrew NDB]

There's a lot of talk that the reshoots were because Gareth's original movie was too talky, too much character (development) stuff and interactions... and that historically doesn't translate well to the coveted Chinese market. So Disney stepped in and retooled things to have less character moments and more missions, more action, more spectacle, more iconic stuff... stuff that translates just fine there.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There's a lot of talk that the reshoots were because Gareth's original movie was too talky, too much character (development) stuff and interactions... and that historically doesn't translate well to the coveted Chinese market. So Disney stepped in and retooled things to have less character moments and more missions, more action, more spectacle, more iconic stuff... stuff that translates just fine there.

That's interesting because the biggest complaint I hear from people about the movie is there is no character development.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

That's interesting because the biggest complaint I hear from people about the movie is there is no character development.

That's... what I'm saying. Thanks to the Chinese (or rather, a preemptive measure to appease them and get their money). But there was, in the original version.

[NinjaPug]

Doubt Lucasfilm cared much about the Chinese market. China only accounted for ~ 5% of TFA's total box office. They don't need that market to be successful unlike other movies. I'm sure they'd like to grow their fan base in that market but they're not going to deliberately put out an inferior product to do so. This isn't Paramount.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Doubt Lucasfilm cared much about the Chinese market.

Lucasfilm might not... but Disney surely does.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Doubt Lucasfilm cared much about the Chinese market. China only accounted for ~ 5% of TFA's total box office. They don't need that market to be successful unlike other movies. I'm sure they'd like to grow their fan base in that market but they're not going to deliberately put out an inferior product to do so. This isn't Paramount.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Lucasfilm might not... but Disney surely does.

Andrew is right. Remember Marvel changed the race of the ancient one in Dr Strange because of the Chinese market.

[NinjaPug]

Marvel isn't Lucasfilm. Spare me the Disney argument.

I think it's preposterous to think they would intentionally make a weaker movie to appease a market that hasn't been a big money generator for the franchise.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Marvel isn't Lucasfilm. Spare me the Disney argument.

"Lucasfilm" is even more of a puppet studio than Marvel for Disney. Do you really think Kathleen Kennedy is able to go to bat for things with Disney more than Kevin Feige is able to, when even Kevin Feige himself has been losing battles with them on the Chinese front?

And it's probably coincidence that two of China's biggest stars are in the movie.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Marvel isn't Lucasfilm. Spare me the Disney argument.

I think it's preposterous to think they would intentionally make a weaker movie to appease a market that hasn't been a big money generator for the franchise.

Disney and star wars had an entire book made just to introduce gay and lesbian main characters into the universe. Not just one, but FOUR. and that was the LEAST of THAT books problems. but considering it had an agenda just for that didn't help it any.
although to be fair, i'm still not sure if that was disney who wanted that or the author. but disney still had to approve it and let it pass even with all it's other issues. It felt like someone said 'i know the story is non existent, but look, diverse characters... maybe people would give it a pass just for that, OK it!'

(put down your pitch forks internet, i know i'm not the only one questioning the reason behind that decision)...

i wouldn't put it past hollywood to ruin a movie for dollar signs, intentionally or otherwise.

lets face it. boring flashy movies are the new norm now that china is in the picture. and that's only because hollywood thinks so little of the chinese citizens, that they think they have to dumb it down for them.

I await the first reply tearing this to shreds in a viscous fashion .

[Zak The Neutrino]

Also I thought I read some place that Rogue One is being distributed by Disney and not Lucas Film. I'm trying to find the source but I'm pretty sure I read that some place. The article made a big deal that this one was the first.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

"Lucasfilm" is even more of a puppet studio than Marvel for Disney. Do you really think Kathleen Kennedy is able to go to bat for things with Disney more than Kevin Feige is able to, when even Kevin Feige himself has been losing battles with them on the Chinese front?

And it's probably coincidence that two of China's biggest stars are in the movie.

I actually think it's the opposite. Marvel relies heavily on foreign markets for their box office. Star Wars doesn't. It's a lot easier to fight back on something when the numbers support it.

Adding Chinese actors to a movie is a different argument. That's not intentionally changing the structure of a movie to appease the Chinese like your earlier post mentioned. KK has also made a point of adding diversity to SW since she took over. I've seen a number of interviews with her being asked specifically about Asian characters.

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Also I thought I read some place that Rogue One is being distributed by Disney and not Lucas Film. I'm trying to find the source but I'm pretty sure I read that some place. The article made a big deal that this one was the first.

Disney distributes all Star Wars movies. That started with TFA last year.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Also I thought I read some place that Rogue One is being distributed by Disney and not Lucas Film.

Lucasfilm never distributed any Star Wars movies.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Lucasfilm never distributed any Star Wars movies.

Yeah but I thought I read there was something different about Rogue One as far as Disney's involvement vs TFA. TFA was Disney so I was wrong it's not that. This is what happens when you read a ton of articles about the movie before it comes out.

[TurtleTitan97]

Just got back from seeing it. It was awesome! I'm so happy I managed to avoid spoilers before seeing it unlike Force Awakens. Vader attacking the Rebels at the end was so sweet! And the CGI for Tarkin and Leia was awesome. 10/10