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Old 10-28-2018, 07:23 AM   #121
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Against who's rules, also I don't take orders from you.

For every Zero-To-Hero stories there are a thousand more about people staying in their social situation and some that have them downgrade. Also your anecdotal evidence doesn't really debunk that its harder to not only make a living but climb up social ladders in the last 50 years.

So let me get this straight if people do follow your advice then job scarcity, if they don't then they can't support themselves. That sounds like a lose/lose situation, do you know the concept of a "good advice" is. Also most college students don't get useless degrees like sociology
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...seless-majors/
Also vocational schools also have their downsides too for example most of them aren't adaptable and get lost over time.
https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...cation/529161/

I wouldn't call earning less than 40 grand a year to be thriving especially again with higher prices in housing and medical bills.

So why do you act like you do, whenever I bring up stuff that effects everyone in the country and you use anecdotal evidence in order to try to debunk my claims or underwhelm it by saying "Well I know people who are doing just fine" without any sense of nuance.

Again one person doesn't really reflect the whole system.

You say that we should't listen to illegal immigrants sob story but you give me a sob story to show how bad the system is. Also I don't need to experience what ever you experience to see how badly the decked is stacked I evidence and citations, here are some if you want to learn something.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...d-for-decades/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/us-h...ters-poll.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/how-...8-to-2018.html
https://health.usnews.com/health-car...e-than-illness

There are Mexican kids who get separated from their parents for wanting a better life yet you call them moochers and again you aren't the one to criticize people listening to "Sad Tales" when you have given me nothing but "Sad Tales" also if you are honestly sad about the veterans getting treated like crap you would blame the systems at be that spend money taking care of them instead of us getting into pointless wars and buying stuff they nobody needs or just wants to feed the military industry complex.

How are they going to start a revolution with nothing, you do remember that America is a country with a huge history of immigrants wanting a better life right.

Except we barely spend it on research most of it is spent on tanks and jets we barely use. Don't believe me look at how China is succeeding in making a railgun. Keep in mind China only has a fraction of the military budget we have.
https://taskandpurpose.com/china-ele...un-deployment/

To answer your bear trap analogy you take the third option and push the lever that frees your leg and go to the doctor. You don't have to bullhead every situation and sometimes the easier path is the better one.

Okay you do know the human race needs to continue right, Japan right now is following your example and their work population is aging more and their economy is in shambles. Its kinda funny I actually hate it when people tell others that they should have kids but you are on the opposite of the spectrum and I find you equally as wrong.

No but people are avoiding hospitals and killing themselves over student debt, so not that much a false equivalence.

You Promise, I have given you evidence and citation and all of you given me is a "Promise", promises mean jack my friend.

Look at literally every developed country in the world and see how wrong you are.
https://www.investopedia.com/article...ge-tuition.asp
https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/...hcare-by-date/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...uality-of-life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by _income_equality

TLDR Work smarter not harder, instead of telling people "You should work harder" how about make it easier for them to learn a new skill or trade and support themselves. There is nothing wrong with fixing the system to benefit the people
They choose those jobs. Those stats are currently changing. The fastest growing college graduate is hispanic women. Keep cherry picking stats that fulfill your ******** though.

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. Even the sources on the wikipedia site don't account for said income inequality. Income inequality has far more to do with personal choices.

Oh, and if the income equality was SOOO bad, as you say, then why do these economic migrants risk death to come to these oppressive western society? It's almost like real life EASILY refutes all your sophist nonsense.

And no one is avoiding hospitals. Getting medical insurance through one's college is easy. I was able to get coverage in college. I'm one of those marginalized people you're talking about too. I know, I know. I don't agree with your BS, so it's just easier to ignore me (reality) than refute my claims. You lose.

It is funny that you cry about Mexican kids when A LITERAL MEXICAN is telling you you're wrong. Oh well. Keep living in your echochamber.

20 years ago your stats would make a little more stats. I vaguely remember reading that only about 15 percent of latinos entered a college level program. Today, About 30 percent of Latinas age 25-30 have graduated with a associates or higher. White women only account for 40. The gaps you're talking about are going away, and have been for the past 10 years.

But keep talking about outdated stats. I'm glad we have a white savior like you (sarcasm).

The way you talk about my people is so condescending and disrespectful. It's almost like you're saying that if not for you white saviors that us poor Mexicans wouldn't be able to wipe ourselves. Do you not see how ****** that is? It's really messed up that you think the way you do.

I'd ask you to really evaluate you own ideology and to look at reality for what it actually is but I know you aren't capable of it.

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Old 10-28-2018, 02:36 PM   #122
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There are Mexican kids who get separated from their parents for wanting a better life yet you call them moochers and again you aren't the one to criticize people listening to "Sad Tales" when you have given me nothing but "Sad Tales" also if you are honestly sad about the veterans getting treated like crap you would blame the systems at be that spend money taking care of them instead of us getting into pointless wars and buying stuff they nobody needs or just wants to feed the military industry complex.
The difference is illegal immigrants has no business to demand anything from the alien country.

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How are they going to start a revolution with nothing, you do remember that America is a country with a huge history of immigrants wanting a better life right.
And most of them worked for their better life.
They didn't hoped for "hand me downs from the government".

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Okay you do know the human race needs to continue right, Japan right now is following your example and their work population is aging more and their economy is in shambles. Its kinda funny I actually hate it when people tell others that they should have kids but you are on the opposite of the spectrum and I find you equally as wrong.
Situation in Japan has nothing to do with what Leo have said.
If you wanted to make an example, you would've been better to talk about Western countries.
And even than, it's slightly different.

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No but people are avoiding hospitals and killing themselves over student debt, so not that much a false equivalence.
Actually it is.

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TLDR Work smarter not harder, instead of telling people "You should work harder" how about make it easier for them to learn a new skill or trade and support themselves. There is nothing wrong with fixing the system to benefit the people
What you propose is not to make it simpler, but handle them everything without them even lifting a finger.
It's not how it works. One must deserve something to receive anything.
Your ideal world will lead to stagnation of the humanity and degeneration. Basically WALL*E version of humans.
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:54 PM   #123
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There is a difference between earning citizenship and just showing up and demanding it. I have no respect or sympathy that do the latter.

If you break the law you should be punished. The kids being separated from their parents (if they aren't child sex slaves - part of the reason for the separation) is part of the punishment. If a guy commits murder and he's a parent, it's not like his kids go to prison with him.

If you essentially break and enter you're going to get in trouble. That's what is happening at the border. They're literally breaking into our country.

The funny thing is Mexico has strict requirements for becoming a citizen. They deport illegals as well. Or, if there is money in play, they look the other way when a caravan of migrants is passing through. I won't even go into the fact that the cartel's use these migrant caravans to funnel child sex slaves, drugs and weapons into the country.

The worst part is what Papegreg is proposing would turn America into another Mexico. With nothing but MASSIVE amounts of poorly educated citizens at the bottom of the stack with a very small group of people living at the top. The system he wants would overtax the hospitals and people would die in the streets (I've seen dead bodies in the streets when I would spend time in Mexico as a kid). Their homeless die in the streets everyday; Our homeless are overweight.

Oh, and there are now photos of Cesar Sayok with a few prominent liberal financiers in Florida. Interesting.

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Old 10-29-2018, 08:01 AM   #124
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It's ironic that whatever lefties propose always ALWAYS leads to the Soviet Union like state: a lot of poor citizens at the bottom, with no chances to rise above their level, controlled by small party of ultra-wealthy bureaucrats at the top.
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Old 10-29-2018, 10:29 AM   #125
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It would be nice if he did that, but he can't for the exact same reason Democrats won't crack down on illegals: You can't attack a big chunk of your support base and expect to stay in power.

Remember: Red or Blue, it's NOT about making the country or the world a better place; it's about power and control. You establish power by determining which group of rubes are easiest to manipulate. You maintain power by continuing to manipulate those people. You LOSE power by telling those people, "What you're doing is wrong, please f*ck off."

Consider how fast the Kennedys started disappearing once they started making noise about "organized crime", after the mob got them into office in the first place. You don't sh*t where you eat.

I agree, it would be great if Trump took a stand against his more ridiculous supporters, but no politician would ever slit their own throat like that. I wouldn't expect any of them to. That would require integrity, which is the first thing they surgically remove from you once you decide to enter politics.
For what its worth, Trump has taken potshots at the Koch brothers:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-koch-brothers-twitter-republican-donors-conservative-gop-us-president-a8471051.html
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:34 AM   #126
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If you break the law you should be punished. The kids being separated from their parents (if they aren't child sex slaves - part of the reason for the separation) is part of the punishment.
That's one component. The word from most Border Patrol, however, is that about 80% of the children don't even show up with their parents, or instead with adults that can't prove they're the parents (if you're going to try and enter and then seek asylum... surely you can be bothered to at least bring the right paperwork/identification?). Then it's on us to pay a lot of money playing detective to track down the parents in some ass-end of Mexico, if we can even find them at all.

Yet we're the bad guys. Utter nonsense.
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Old 10-29-2018, 11:35 AM   #127
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It's ironic that whatever lefties propose always ALWAYS leads to the Soviet Union like state: a lot of poor citizens at the bottom, with no chances to rise above their level, controlled by small party of ultra-wealthy bureaucrats at the top.
It has happened EVERY SINGLE TIME.

The worst part is that people think socialism is somehow better than capitalism. Where has it ever been better? It hasn't. This crap these folks talk about is a fairytale.

Here's the thing, Trump does speak out against the alt-right asshats. He disavowed David Duke. The media doesn't report on it because it doesn't fit the narrative they're trying to push. He spoke out against the bomber during and after it was happening. Cesar Sayok is an extremist; and unfortunately, those types of extremists are going to use whatever means to justify their insane beliefs. Cesar Sayok wasn't anymore a true Republican than Jihadists are truly Muslim. We should NOT make judgements about an entire group of people based on the actions of a few bad apples.

People like Papagreg and Candy Kapa want you to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a horrible few. I refuse to judge people like that and neither should you. This doesn't have anything to do with Trump or the average Trump voter. I know people from all walks of life that voted for Trump, Black people, Asian people, Latinos and White folks. None of them would do any of these horrible acts, but they are blamed for said acts because it's politically expedient. It's not about the truth for these folks. It's about what gives them power and the power to control the narrative.
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People like Papagreg and Candy Kapa want you to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a horrible few. I refuse to judge people like that and neither should you. This doesn't have anything to do with Trump or the average Trump voter. I know people from all walks of life that voted for Trump, Black people, Asian people, Latinos and White folks. None of them would do any of these horrible acts, but they are blamed for said acts because it's politically expedient. It's not about the truth for these folks. It's about what gives them power and the power to control the narrative.
The funny thing, that, if by chance, Trump and his cronies would received some bombs, those same people would either be praising wannabe-terrorist or stated that "one rotten apple doesn't make all anti-Trump people terrorists".
It's almost like lefties are susceptible to the double standards and hypocrisy no less than righties...

I actually have seen. We all have a chance to see it.
Remember, when Gunn was fired from Disney? A lot of left people were crying that Disney should have let him continue to work, since "people can change and we shouldn't just people by stuff they have said or did 10 years ago".
However, when someone who lefties don't like is blamed for doing or saying something questionable 10 years ago, they are immediately demanding to ostracize that person from every line of the job forever.

But, of course, lefties are on the right side of history...
So far they are confirming that when you go "too left" you will become indistinguishable from the right in your lust for power, hypocrisy and totalitarian rhetoric.
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The funny thing is Mexico has strict requirements for becoming a citizen. They deport illegals as well. Or, if there is money in play, they look the other way when a caravan of migrants is passing through. I won't even go into the fact that the cartel's use these migrant caravans to funnel child sex slaves, drugs and weapons into the country.

The worst part is what Papegreg is proposing would turn America into another Mexico. With nothing but MASSIVE amounts of poorly educated citizens at the bottom of the stack with a very small group of people living at the top. The system he wants would overtax the hospitals and people would die in the streets (I've seen dead bodies in the streets when I would spend time in Mexico as a kid). Their homeless die in the streets everyday; Our homeless are overweight.
A lot of misinformation in your post, It is not too difficult to become a citizen, weapons actually come from the US to Mexico not the other way around, Education levels are below first world countries but not as low as your post would imply and for example Mexico graduates more engineers than first world countries the problem being they're bribed to move to other first world countries. That's a problem since they need engineers, the other problem is wealth is not distributed properly but Mexico is a rich country. People dead on the streets where did you live? Such lies, don't exaggerate or use shoddy statistics about a country you don't understand since people believe stuff like this.

I don't really care to debate the thread, just needed to clear up all these FAKE news a bit.
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A lot of misinformation in your post, It is not too difficult to become a citizen, weapons actually come from the US to Mexico not the other way around, Education levels are below first world countries but not as low as your post would imply and for example Mexico graduates more engineers than first world countries the problem being they're bribed to move to other first world countries. That's a problem since they need engineers, the other problem is wealth is not distributed properly but Mexico is a rich country. People dead on the streets where did you live? Such lies, don't exaggerate or use shoddy statistics about a country you don't understand since people believe stuff like this.

I don't really care to debate the thread, just needed to clear up all these FAKE news a bit.
I'm Mexican. There would be dead homeless people on the streets. It wasn't an everyday occurrence, but I did PERSONALLY witness it. People that looked like living skeletons dead on a corner. Granted, this wasn't happening in Mexico city, but it was absolutely a part of life in the little pueblos. Between that and the people that were messed up from the rampant drug use and prostitution dead bodies were a part of life. Especially in places like Tijuana and just south of Laredo and other border towns due to the violence from cartels.

And yes, while we traffic a lot of guns down there they also send a lot our way, Unmarked and nontraceable. Happens more than you think or is reported

Mexico has a lot of wealth at the very top but due to liberal policies that negatively impact the everyday person MY PEOPLE typically live in terrible conditions compared to the US.


Their education system is a lot more laxed than ours too. What they get down there as a college degree is typically on par with our associates Their masters is the equivalent to our Bachelors.


Oh and I lived in a pueblo outside of Guadalajara. It was a beautiful area, but because of the cartels and other drug related activity seeing a dead body every now and again wasn't all that uncommon.

I'm not saying it's impossible t become a citizen of the country. I'm saying that it's not just a matter of walking in and getting benefits. You have to do things. To add to that, if you're an illegal caught in the country they will deport you.

Oh, and can you provide even a shred of evidence that our countries are 'bribing' college graduates from Mexico to come to the United States. The only person spreading fake news is you.


No fake news here homie.

Oh, and here's an article talking about the homelessness problem in Mexico:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ings-food.html


Apparently it is bad in The federal district as well.

Now, I will agree with you in part. Things ARE improving down there. Their education systems are getting better. That is in large part to the US sending entire sectors of employment down there, though. I'm hoping Mexico will become the next India are far as its tech sector is concerned.

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I think it's implied already that certain people are going to strongly disagree in this thread. I don't think calling them out by name helps anything, though. Let's not put words in peoples' mouths; this is kind of inflammatory already, y'know?

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It has happened EVERY SINGLE TIME.

The worst part is that people think socialism is somehow better than capitalism. Where has it ever been better? It hasn't. This crap these folks talk about is a fairytale.
The thing is, most of them will give you a story about how it would work better for THEM, individually and specifically. But then you take those things, "blow them up" to apply to millions of people, and suddenly those things aren't feasible anymore.

Which is why any serious economist will tell you that you have to ignore the emotional factors when deciding on policy; everyone has the "sobbiest" sob story, which in their minds makes them take priority over everyone else, but the job is to start with "Everyone else" first and work backwards. That's why "Sympathy makes bad Policy."

Even in a system that generally works best for the majority, you're still going to have a lot of people struggle because no system is perfect. You have to look at Opportunities For Advancement, and this is still the country with the highest number of "Poor Folk Who Became Millionaires" pound-for-pound in the world. In America, you have the absolute best chance of being Nobody and Becoming Somebody. Your odds are much smaller elsewhere, generally speaking.

A lot of things people want are "On Paper" ideas. They sound great but don't work well in practice.

EDIT: Sorry you had such a rough go for a while, BA. Hopefully your life is much smoother now and going forward.
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Oh, one other thing. If Mexico or Central America weren't all that bad, why do they CONSTANTLY try to come into the US? We have more than 20,000,000 illegal aliens in the country right now. Most of whom are from Mexico and Central America. Now, I don't blame them, I've lived in one of those countries, the US is a paradise in comparison. I don't blame them for wanting to get out of there.

If what I'm saying is 'fake news' why are they fleeing ALL THE TIME? It's almost like my personal experiences aren't outside the norm.

Don't even get me started on how Mexico's health care system is **** and that their entire energy sector is owned by the central government. It couldn't be terrible liberal policies that screwed the people over.


… but hey, I don't understand the country.

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I'm Mexican. There would be dead homeless people on the streets. It wasn't an everyday occurrence, but I did PERSONALLY witness it. People that looked like living skeletons dead on a corner. Granted, this wasn't happening in Mexico city, but it was absolutely a part of life in the little pueblos. Between that and the people that were messed up from the rampant drug use and prostitution dead bodies were a part of life. Especially in places like Tijuana and just south of Laredo and other border towns due to the violence from cartels.

And yes, while we traffic a lot of guns down there they also send a lot our way, Unmarked and nontraceable. Happens more than you think or is reported

Mexico has a lot of wealth at the very top but due to liberal policies that negatively impact the everyday person MY PEOPLE typically live in terrible conditions compared to the US.


Their education system is a lot more laxed than ours too. What they get down there as a college degree is typically on par with our associates Their masters is the equivalent to our Bachelors.


Oh and I lived in a pueblo outside of Guadalajara. It was a beautiful area, but because of the cartels and other drug related activity seeing a dead body every now and again wasn't all that uncommon.

I'm not saying it's impossible t become a citizen of the country. I'm saying that it's not just a matter of walking in and getting benefits. You have to do things. To add to that, if you're an illegal caught in the country they will deport you.

Oh, and can you provide even a shred of evidence that our countries are 'bribing' college graduates from Mexico to come to the United States. The only person spreading fake news is you.


No fake news here homie.

Oh, and here's an article talking about the homelessness problem in Mexico:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ings-food.html


Apparently it is bad in The federal district as well.

Now, I will agree with you in part. Things ARE improving down there. Their education systems are getting better. That is in large part to the US sending entire sectors of employment down there, though. I'm hoping Mexico will become the next India are far as its tech sector is concerned.
Being Mexican doesn't mean you understand the country unless you lived there enough time and recently.

Guns are illegal in mx and the easiest way to get them is from the us, they might send back the guns unmarked but they'd only be returning them. Yeah, the country deports people but so does any other, you can still find plenty of central american, haitian and south american undocumented immigrants living their daily life without problems. Becoming a citizen has rules but it's a lot easier than many countries as I mentioned and tons of people live with just passports and paying certain fee's to live there like many americans who go to retire.

You're also wrong on education, there are big problems but the equating the masters to a us bachelors is just silly. The requirements to graduate from High School are much higher than the average us one. Unless you're counting Diploma mills you're wrong. I didn't say just the US I said first world countries and I can give you tons of reliable links on those, here's one:
http://ciencia.unam.mx/leer/150/fuga...l_conocimiento

I mean, you're the one linking to a brittish tabloid, yeah the wealth gap is a huge problem and stories like those there can be tons but you can make a story like that from any major city in the world. I mean there is a war on drugs (started because of US pressure) but it's not the daily reality of the whole country, it's segmented to a few areas. Again, it's a complex country with many problems with no easy solutions however the way the media portrays it is also very wrong and people take the negatives of that and spread it around exaggerating the details which causes so many misconceptions about the country that I see every day it's crazy.
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Being Mexican doesn't mean you understand the country unless you lived there enough time and recently.

Guns are illegal in mx and the easiest way to get them is from the us, they might send back the guns unmarked but they'd only be returning them. Yeah, the country deports people but so does any other, you can still find plenty of central american, haitian and south american undocumented immigrants living their daily life without problems. Becoming a citizen has rules but it's a lot easier than many countries as I mentioned and tons of people live with just passports and paying certain fee's to live there like many americans who go to retire.

You're also wrong on education, there are big problems but the equating the masters to a us bachelors is just silly. The requirements to graduate from High School are much higher than the average us one. Unless you're counting Diploma mills you're wrong. I didn't say just the US I said first world countries and I can give you tons of reliable links on those, here's one:
http://ciencia.unam.mx/leer/150/fuga...l_conocimiento

I mean, you're the one linking to a brittish tabloid, yeah the wealth gap is a huge problem and stories like those there can be tons but you can make a story like that from any major city in the world. I mean there is a war on drugs (started because of US pressure) but it's not the daily reality of the whole country, it's segmented to a few areas. Again, it's a complex country with many problems with no easy solutions however the way the media portrays it is also very wrong and people take the negatives of that and spread it around exaggerating the details which causes so many misconceptions about the country that I see every day it's crazy.
Here's what I see "blah blah blah blah a Mexican is saying something I don't like about the country he lived in at one point so I have to think up ways to tell a Mexican he is wrong about his own country blah blah blah"

I'm Mexican I've lived in the country. My lived experience trumps whatever nonsense you're trying to push. You can keep arguing with me all you'd like, but I'm right. It's that simple.

It's funny that you can dismiss my and other actual Mexicans (in the story I linked) because it doesn't suit your worldview. Maybe focus on your own situation before you try to tell me about mine. Anywho...

And yes, there are homeless people all over the world, but read the part that talks about the ratio of homeless youth. That's the part I'm referring to in that article. It's worse in that country. It just is.

Here is a big difference between the states and Mexico (This could have changed recently). You can drop out of school at any age there. Most of their better schools are similar to charter schools here. The only people benefiting from a 'quality 'education are the ones that are already wealthy. The public schools in Mexico are garbage compared to the states.

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There's a reason Mexicans don't like chicanos, they don't understand the country or what it's really like to be Mexican.
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You folks better watch out, though. According to James Cromwell, there will be blood in the streets if the democrats don't win these mid-terms:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ion-there-wil/
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And how nerds with iPhones and rainbow hair will drawn streets in blood?
There won't be enough Xanax in the world to make those people to get out of their basements.

But on a serious notes, such statements should be persecuted by state as potential calls for riots and civil unrest.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:15 PM   #138
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You folks better watch out, though. According to James Cromwell, there will be blood in the streets if the democrats don't win these mid-terms:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ion-there-wil/
And at the rate things are going, actual working bombs or shootings from conservatives/republicans if dems do.
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Old 10-30-2018, 04:33 PM   #139
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You folks better watch out, though. According to James Cromwell, there will be blood in the streets if the democrats don't win these mid-terms:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ion-there-wil/
That'll do capitalist pigs. That'll do.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:04 AM   #140
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There's a reason Mexicans don't like chicanos, they don't understand the country or what it's really like to be Mexican.
So now you resort to ignorance and racism. Cool story, bro.

Everything else you wrote can now be easily ignored.

The two main reasons to ignore your silliness:
1. You don't even understand what it means to be Mexican.
2. You're not Mexican.

Next you're going to tell me Canelo Alvarez isn't Mexican. LMAO.

I'm Mexican. I have Mexican citizenship (Dual citizenship). That's the only requirement to being Mexican. You can be black, white or brown (native blood). Or... a mixture of all three (Like me).

The FIRST mexican was the child of a Mayan woman and a Spanish conquistador. The word Mexico is derivative of Mestizo which means MIXED. Spanish itself is a european language. I could go on and on, but I won't because I don't want you to show anymore ignorance.

Now look. I get it. You want to win an argument over the internet because someone said some factual things you don't like. I understand that this matters to you. HOWEVER, I'm not wrong with anything I've said. I just got off the phone with a cousin that still lives in the Jalisco area. The things I talked about in my posts still happen. Is it as bad as it was in the 80's? No. Is it worse in other ways? Yes. The Cartels own the border towns. Homelessness is rampant in the country. There are jobs but the poor still generally suffer the most. The country has made some strides but it still have a LONG WAY TO GO.

Anyway. I'm done. I haven't said anything about the country that isn't true. You can continue with your feelings, but the facts don't care about your feelings. Have a good day.

Oh, and no one better send me a PM telling me I look like a mixture of Enrique Pena Nieto and Torbe.

Chicano itself isn't a bad term but the context in which you used it is bigoted. I have no time for that nonsense.

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