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Amusing thing about Star Wars (and most Sci-Fi space travel films) are that visiting a "planet" usually entails a prolonged stay at a particular small town or city, and yet all the characters continually refer to the place by the planet name rather than anything more specific.
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Did they ever explain why Maz had Luke's lightsaber in Episode 7? I remember people talking about that a lot and I don't think Episode 9 said anything about it either because Maz was hardly in the movie. I guess he just gave it to her before he went off on his island?
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I guess JJ just never intended on answering any of the questions or mystery boxes he set up. I also truly think had there not been backlash over Rey's parents being nobody, he would not have somewhat rectonned her to be a Palpatine. Just felt like a flex to me since her parents being no one and coming from nothing would have been fine. That being said her being a Palpatine also kind of works because it explains her power and retroactively how angry she is during all her fight scenes makes sense and people caught on to it.
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I'm sure the hope was that whoever would have made VIII would have picked up what he was setting up and answered that but when nobody did, no room for that in IX.
A little bit miffed that Maz never really became justified as a character at all.
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Maz had a pretty big sized role in 7 that I really am surprised she was sidelined completely in the next two movies. It felt like she was set up to have a role comparable to Lando in the original movies. She had both a connection to Rey and Luke/Leia, so to not do anything with her after that is weird.
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The ST is all JJ's fault in remaking ANH, TLJ needed to do drastic things to change that but instead it ****ed up in its own way. The only good thing TLJ did was the relationship of Rey/Kylo. Killing Snoke in a way was good if he was just going to be a Palpatine lite which it seemed to be but had he been Plagueis then I guess maybe it was a bad move, but too many uncertainties there to judge it one way or another. ROS is bad and a ROTJ remake but in a way it does try to fix things the best it could.
Why did JJ ruin the ST with TFA? That's a post I need to make another day but essentially it's the whole mystery box he set up in the trailers that should've been answered in the actual movie to set up a quest for the ST, not build up something that can't be shocking or rewarding after 3 movies, the whole who is Rey/Kylo/Phasma/Snoke should've all been revealed in TFA to set something up. Quote:
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I'm mixed on the Poe/Holdo stuff myself. On one hand it I can see the point of it all, but on the other hand it wasn't that good. It gave Poe something to do but it generally put into perspective there's really not much to his character but be a short-tempered fighter pilot. |
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I actually already wrote about exactly why the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy is a mess, all of its mysteries should've been in The Force Awakens, the mysteries were already in the trailers, why would you watch a 2+ hour movie to expand on that mystery set up in the trailers? You want to have those resolved.
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Disney's desire to pander to nostalgia and not to be like prequels, screwed the whole foundation of the ST and the rest was just a by-product of this bad decision. |
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Basically, the main idea of the new trilogy was that Han/Leia's son Kylo Ren turned to the dark side after Luke failed as a teacher, and a new young hero (Rey) had to meet the old main cast and defeat the son and/or save the galaxy again.
When you get down to it, the whole new trilogy was basically about Rey and Kylo Ren. If they focused mainly on the dynamic between the two characters which were genuinely good ideas with actors with great chemistry together, they could have written an interesting story behind it. All the most memorable scenes of this new trilogy are the scenes Rey and Kylo share together, and I think it's obvious they drove the story. Although as I said before, the reason Kylo Ren was a success was due to Adam Driver's acting. Had any other actor been cast as Kylo Ren, I do not think they would have pulled it off as well. Adam Driver just really sold him especially with the facial expressions, when he was angry/throwing temper tantrums, when he was trying to lure Rey to his side, turning on Snoke, etc. It made me an Adam Driver fan and made me check out the other movies he was in. |
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The original idea for ST was for a female Jedi to escape "Jedi Hunter".
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Say what you will about the sequel trilogy. Like TMNT after the 2009 sale, there is no longer a human heart at the center anymore. Just Product™. Kylo is literally the only interesting character in the sequel trilogy. But he never really filled "The Villain" role the trilogy needed. We don't (or I don't, anyway) ever really HATE him, or want him taken down. Even when he killed Han it was like, "Eh, this sucks but maybe it's for a reason?"
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The problem with Kylo's arc is we already saw it with Anakin/Vader.
So apparently the new movies will take place 400 years in the past during an era of the Republic at a time when Yoda was still young and during the sith rule of 2. It won't be a trilogy but it'll be left open so as many stories that have to be told get told. |
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I couldn't think of Kylo as a villain.
In TFA he was too whiny and pathetic, in TLJ he felt more like an anti-hero. |
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Kylo wasn’t supposed to be THE main villain, he was sort of the villain who gets somewhat redeemed at the end or the audience was expecting something to happen with him and Luke/Leia. Seeing Kylo team up with Rey against Snoke’s guards and then Palpatine in 9 is an example of that.
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Depends on what movie you're talking about. If you're talking about TFA, no, he wasn't supposed to be "the villain." At least in black and white terms. Villainous, with shades of "maybe he'll be redeemed later on." TLJ, he was either positioned as the central villain or just rendered moot... as in, "There is no villain, anymore. This trilogy doesn't need one." TROS, obviously not the villain.
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