Star Wars: Episode IX

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

There's nothing wrong with two guys having a very tight brotherly relationship.

Exactly. That anyone would have intrinsic beliefs that point them immediately in a different direction than simply enjoying that they were fast friends I think says a lot about the people making those agenda-driven assumptions.

Originally Posted by frank_one

Back in the 90's we probably had better things to do than asking silly questions to actors. Like putting down the phone and thinking about our own life. These days, we seriously pay too damn attention to what hollywood millionaires say and do.

Exactly. God I remember realizing as a teenager that "these people take their own opinions too seriously" just by watching them on award shows. And back then those once or twice a year events were like "access". Now it's unbearable.

Howard Hughes to actress and then-girlfriend Katharin Hepburn - "Don't talk down to me. You are a movie star. Nothing more."

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing Star Wars does is have single environment planets. I mean are we supposed to believe that Canto Bight is a planet-wide casino polis? We now have three desert planet with Tattooine, Jakku, and now Passana. Might as well have gone to Tattooine. I would like to see a planet which has multiple environments.

[CyberCubed]

I’m pretty sure we only saw like 6 new planets in this whole trilogy.

Jakku, Maz’s planet, Canto Bight casino, Crait, Luke’s island and the one with the parade in 9.

I don’t count landing on Star Killer base which was all snow or Palpatine’s with asteroid thing.

[ZariusTwo]

Looks as though shilling Star Wars couldn't save most of Collider's podcasts



https://www.thewrap.com/collider-can...video-refocus/

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

One thing Star Wars does is have single environment planets. I mean are we supposed to believe that Canto Bight is a planet-wide casino polis? We now have three desert planet with Tattooine, Jakku, and now Passana. Might as well have gone to Tattooine. I would like to see a planet which has multiple environments.

Tattooine, Jakku, Pasaana, and don't forget Nevarro and Arvala-7 from The Mandalorian, too. All desert planets.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I’m pretty sure we only saw like 6 new planets in this whole trilogy.

Jakku, Maz’s planet, Canto Bight casino, Crait, Luke’s island and the one with the parade in 9.

Absolutely none of them memorable or notably different than existing planets from I-VI.

What was that foresty planet that Rey was training with a lightsaber in? Was that Maz's planet, the moon of Endor, or something else? I don't remember.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Tattooine, Jakku, Pasaana, and don't forget Nevarro and Arvala-7 from The Mandalorian, too. All desert planets.

Two different desert planets that are not a pre-existing one in just a few episodes?I did not bother watching the series since it did not involve OT characters. It looked like a bounty hunter charged with transporting/ caring for a toddler of Yoda's species was there was to it.

The Luke/Lando mission would make an interesting sequence comic or mini-series.

Just once I would like to see a planet that has multiple environments to make it more believable. I am not even asking for a planet where there are multiple world leaders spread out throughout the planet instead of unified planets always depicted in fiction. Perhaps an environment that not based on an Earth one.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Two different desert planets that are not a pre-existing one in just a few episodes?I

Yeah. Pretty much. Unless those planets were in some Clone Wars or Rebels cartoons, I have no idea.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I did not bother watching the series since it did not involve OT characters. It looked like a bounty hunter charged with transporting/ caring for a toddler of Yoda's species was there was to it.

That's basically what the Mandalorian is, but I don't know why you simplify shows you never watched. And why would you expect OT characters to be in this?

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That's basically what the Mandalorian is, but I don't know why you simplify shows you never watched. And why would you expect OT characters to be in this?

I did not expect them to be. I would have considered it, but as you said I summed it up nicely in a few words so I don't think I am missing anything as far as my interest are concerned. That was why it did not interest me and the Marvel ongoing comics do.

[Leo656]

Some folks may find it surprising, but there's a gigantic audience of people who would say that they "love Star Wars", but only care at all about Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie, etc.

Like, for all the bemoaning from some people about how the series needs to "move beyond" the original trilogy, its settings and its characters... I'd argue that for about half to 2/3s of the fanbase, those things are the only thing they even care about regarding Star Wars. People can like or dislike that particular fact, but it is indeed a fact that for a LOT of people, "Star Wars" is the original trilogy and stuff directly connected to it, and everything else is fanfic.

One can argue all day about whether that's Good, Bad, or neutral, but it's a pretty prevalent phenomenon. I know lots of people personally who've seen the originals a hundred times but have not and will never watch or even acknowledge the Prequels, the EU, or any of the newer stuff. It happens.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Some folks may find it surprising, but there's a gigantic audience of people who would say that they "love Star Wars", but only care at all about Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie, etc.

That is me. I am a Star Wars fan, but not a die-hard. Star Wars can potentially expand thousands of years but it's Luke's lifetime that I want to see.

I fall into a camp that only like Tai and Matt's Digidestined when it comes to Digimon. With Batman I am a bigger fan, but its Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson, and Barbara Gordon and no one else so it is character sets that I am drawn to in franchises for better or worse.

[Andrew NDB]

I get that people can say they hate the sequel trilogy and still be SW fans. The sequel trilogy is corporate product, made by committee, trying to reengineer the OT for a new generation. And poorly.

But saying you hate all of the prequels? That's half the saga. And George, the creator, with them every step of the way.

[raph27]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I get that people can say they hate the sequel trilogy and still be SW fans. The sequel trilogy is corporate product, made by committee, trying to reengineer the OT for a new generation. And poorly.

But saying you hate all of the prequels? That's half the saga. And George, the creator, with them every step of the way.

And the prequels weren't a corporate product, made by committee, to pump out more toys and make SW a longer-lasting brand?

I think in all the sequel trilogy bashing (much of which is deserved, don't get me wrong) has made a lot of people lose sight of how loathed the prequels were by Internet masses just a few years ago. They were the benchmark for screwing up a film franchise, along with Crystal Skull and others like it. A lot of that blame was specifically thrown at George, with many saying he got overconfident in his own ideas when nobody reign him in which led to faults in both the prequels and the Special Editions of the originals.

There are still a lot of people who haven't changed their minds about the prequel trilogy, myself included, and regard the original trilogy in higher regard to either of the trilogies that bookend it. I used to think that the new trilogy would be a great new direction that took more inspiration from the originals, but as things went on it became clearer and clearer that Disney just wanted to ride the OT nostalgia train. Now I think they're catching on to this newfound love of the prequels and will start tapping into that (Obi-Wan show with McGregor on Disney+, Clone Wars coming back, cameos from certain Jedi in TROS, etc.)

[Leo656]

Well, Andrew, with certain people I know it's less "hate" and more "Refusal to acknowledge the existence of" for one reason or another. As I said, I know plenty of people who plain skipped the Prequels, because nothing from "THEIR Star Wars" was involved. Some people really only care about the first three movies, those stories, those characters, and that's all. To them, "Star Wars" ended with ROTJ and everything else has been a cash grab. I agree that is a pretty myopic point of view, but nonetheless,, it's how a lot of people feel.

There's no one reason for it, I've heard lots of reasons why people would feel that way. For some, they only care about Luke. For others, they'd already "written" Vader's backstory in their imagination and refuse to watch any movie or read any comic book that might contradict it. Same reason why some people refuse to acknowledge the Sequel Trilogy (or the EU) at all; to them, the book was closed and they already used their own imagination to decide what happened after ROTJ, they don't want to be told that they're "wrong", and no "official" story can ever possibly live up to a person's personal headcanon, anyway.

It's their own prerogative to be that way. It's like how there are millions of people who would say, "I'm a wrestling fan" but only watch WWE and refuse to even look at anything else. Some people are big Star Wars fans, but for them "Star Wars" means three movies and That's That. I agree it's a bit narrow-minded, but what can you do? It's not necessarily that those people felt disappointed in either the Prequels or Sequels; I know plenty of people who made up their minds 35 years ago that they would never watch those movies in the first place. It is what it is.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by raph27

And the prequels weren't a corporate product, made by committee, to pump out more toys and make SW a longer-lasting brand?

Not really.
They take a lot of risks and not all of them paid off.

[CyberCubed]

The prequels all had great concepts but the way the movies were written made it all handled poorly on screen. The comics and cartoons all fleshed out the Clone Wars era a lot better.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Not really.
They take a lot of risks and not all of them paid off.

In many ways it makes for a better "trilogy" viewing experience to ignore Episode I and then watch II, III, and then the Rebels episodes with Vader in one sitting with Rogue One.

[ZariusTwo]

Dominic Monaghan confirms there was more to Rise of SKywalker and wants a longer cut released

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a9270356.html

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

In many ways it makes for a better "trilogy" viewing experience to ignore Episode I and then watch II, III, and then the Rebels episodes with Vader in one sitting with Rogue One.

Episode 1 is really an oddity, since it happens so early prior to the next two episodes. Without it we wouldn't know childhood of Vader, but I feel like it was not really necessary.

Or episode 3 should had happened much later after Episode 2.

[Leo656]

Y'know, looking back, I did kind of half-expect a bigger gap in between II and III, story-wise. Possibly because of the long stretch that takes place in between I and II.

I'unno, whenever I see any of them, I still really don't have much problem with any of the story. Just the terrible acting and some dodgy CGI. As opposed to the new ones, which look amazing and the acting is arguably the best in the series, but the writing is SO f*cking terrible and the story is such a mess that the things in which they excel can't salvage them.

In many ways, the Sequels were conceptualized to be the exact opposite of the Prequels, and they are.