David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[Leo656]

Sometimes I just post random rap lyrics or George Carlin quotes in case anyone who wasn't paying attention or just showed up yesterday can not pretend they were ever taken by surprise.

"What?! I thought this guy was well-adjusted! That's what I signed up for when I decided to follow him on Facebook!" said no one ever. I don't want to ever give anyone the wrong impression, not even a little bit.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Exactly. Hollywood groupthink is fascinating in some ways. It's a gated community physically and intellectually in ways that probably rival North Korea.

Gervais had it right about his response to the whole, "Well as comedians we can't do this and this and this now, because we'll get in trouble." To paraphrase him, you CAN and you should, but most importantly we need to stop caring about the little voices saying, "No! No! Insensitive!" etc.. Because giving those little voices credence is what got us into this mess to begin with.

Stop humoring them! Enough.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny

Remember the days where Gerry Conway literally wrote the book on 'fridging' women? Because I do.

[Leo656]

I cannot fathom that the guy who created The Punisher might have a loose wire. Color me shocked.

The fact that he hates his own dick so much is a bit of a surprise, however. Wasn't quite expecting that.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I cannot fathom that the guy who created The Punisher might have a loose wire. Color me shocked.

The fact that he hates his own dick so much is a bit of a surprise, however. Wasn't quite expecting that.

This is the same guy who killed Gwen Stacey because there was nowhere to go with the character. That is why it surprises me.

[Sumac]

Maybe he wants attention or has become senile.

[AquaParade]

Your views can certainly change as you get older. And I never underestimate the power of group-think or community influence on a person, as others have already pointed out.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I think it was here somewhere that I talked about negative information a bit. This is a perfect example of this, when these people take these positions. Remember - negative information, like a photograph negative, is not "bad information", but rather information that you don't easily see - the opposite of positive information or that which is basically "in your face".

My point?

These fools must not realize that they are calling the entire world misogynists. Because if the movie didn't make any money, that means that no one went to see it. But these f'n fools don't recognize the number of people that didn't see the movie, instead the only recognize those that did in their bias.

If these people had any real brains, in situations like these they would be asking the whole world "why didn't you see it?" instead of confirming anything with the people that did see it.

Interesting and well said.

[MikeandRaph87]

I did not know that Denise from Full House was Black Canary . She looks nothing like Dinah Lance and I had no idea she did anything else aside from the failed sitcom airing the same time as Full House's last season and Jack as a child actor.

I had two work colleagues arguing about whether Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz were gay together or not and ask me about any relationships that either had in the comics. It just proves this movie was not made for old school comic book fans like myself.

[Autbot_Benz]

So apparently in this movie Black Mask owns Dinah professionally and she is too scared to leave . This gets my piss to a boil because anyone who knows the REAL Dinah she would kick the **** out of any guy who tried to own her. she is trained by wildcat and is supposed to be street smart.

Also this editorial claims the real villain of BOP is not Black Mask but Toxic Masculinity and misogyny

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/02/18/...lain-misogyny/

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

So apparently in this movie Black Mask owns Dinah professionally and she is too scared to leave . This gets my piss to a boil because anyone who knows the REAL Dinah she would kick the **** out of any guy who tried to own her. she is trained by wildcat and is supposed to be street smart.

Also this editorial claims the real villain of BOP is not Black Mask but Toxic Masculinity and misogyny

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/02/18/...lain-misogyny/

And so rather than Hollywood propping up an already strong female character appropriately to show strength, they instead diminished that character to show misogyny. That sounds exactly like something the brain trust in Hollywood would do.

[Leo656]

I'm even seeing people say that "WB sabotaged the marketing." WHAT?

Like seriously, one of my friends has been raving all over FB that the movie is a triumph and that it only under-performed because WB sabotaged it on purpose "because misogyny". Isn't the CEO of WB a woman? And also, they've been teasing it for a full year and the TV ads were constant and unavoidable. Two seconds on Google led me to a Forbes article which is actually titled, "Marketing Is Not To Blame For Birds Of Prey's Box Office", or something to that effect.

I guess people will grasp at any straws they can reach.

Someone on Cracked made a very good joke the other day, something to the effect of, "At least when 'Cats' failed at the box office, they didn't panic and re-title it 'Hey, Taylor Swift Is In This!" three days later."

Because seriously you guys, the reason this thing flopped is because people somehow didn't get that it was a Harley Quinn movie. Seriously! That's the line they're going with! You can't make this sh*t up.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

And so rather than Hollywood propping up an already strong female character appropriately to show strength, they instead diminished that character to show misogyny. That sounds exactly like something the brain trust in Hollywood would do.

It is in the same ballpark as "this movie is not for men", but "this movie failed because men didn't go to see it!!".

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

but "this movie failed because men didn't go to see it!!".

And we know that more men saw the movie than women. So it's like, after being told repeatedly that the movie isn't for us, that it's for "you" (women)... it ends up you didn't even really show up. Now what, we as males need to see it more than our fair share (50%) to make up for you not going, even though there's nothing in there for us? We did more than our fair share!

You know who also did their fair share?



He was an executive producer on "Birds of Prey." Credit where it is due!

[AquaParade]

I'm so sick of the male/female culture war going on, and especially how the media fuels it and gets everyone all riled up. All this discussion honestly seems toxic to me.

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

Most normal women ignore it to begin with, that's why movies and movements like this are failing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'm so sick of the male/female culture war going on, and especially how the media fuels it and gets everyone all riled up. All this discussion honestly seems toxic to me.

I'm starting to think completely ignoring it is the only way to make it go away.

I'm not sure ignoring it helps. Unless you're also willing to ignore it with your wallet.

I can talk about how much I hate this movie all I want, but if I go and see it, guess which argument speaks louder to WB/DC? The nerd rants online, or the $10 I put down for a theater seat?

(Which I absolutely didn't do. Because this is a movie I do not want to support at all.)

I think the best way to advance a cause in a movie is to simply do it and not even mention it. Compare the marketing for Wonder Woman (2017) and Captain Marvel. Completely different.

An incredible Birds of Prey movie could have been made. So could a great Batgirl, or Gotham City Sirens, or even a Harley Quinn movie. But we got this, because that's what everybody claims to want and enough people are throwing money at it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Most normal women ignore it to begin with, that's why movies and movements like this are failing.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm not sure ignoring it helps. Unless you're also willing to ignore it with your wallet.

I can talk about how much I hate this movie all I want, but if I go and see it, guess which argument speaks louder to WB/DC? The nerd rants online, or the $10 I put down for a theater seat?

(Which I absolutely didn't do. Because this is a movie I do not want to support at all.)

I think the best way to advance a cause in a movie is to simply do it and not even mention it. Compare the marketing for Wonder Woman (2017) and Captain Marvel. Completely different.

An incredible Birds of Prey movie could have been made. So could a great Batgirl, or Gotham City Sirens, or even a Harley Quinn movie. But we got this, because that's what everybody claims to want and enough people are throwing money at it.

Lets just let DC Animated to A Birds of Prey movie it would be better than anything DC can put out

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Lets just let DC Animated to A Birds of Prey movie it would be better than anything DC can put out

I really hate animated.

A lot of people think a movie isn't legit unless it's live-action. Or a franchise/property isn't legit unless it's live-action.

I'm usually one of those people. I enjoyed Batman The Animated Series as a kid, and I've got my comics as an adult, but I want to see Poison Ivy and Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain done justice in live-action. Hell, I'm still waiting to see DICK GRAYSON or Barbara Gordon done justice in live-action.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I really hate animated.

A lot of people think a movie isn't legit unless it's live-action. Or a franchise/property isn't legit unless it's live-action.

I'm usually one of those people. I enjoyed Batman The Animated Series as a kid, and I've got my comics as an adult, but I want to see Poison Ivy and Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain done justice in live-action. Hell, I'm still waiting to see DICK GRAYSON or Barbara Gordon done justice in live-action.

I'm the same way, really. For example, people put "Mask of the Phantasm" into rankings with Batman movies and I'm always the guy sitting here (maybe not aloud) that says, "OK, but that's not a real Batman movie."