David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

but isnt it too early to call BoP a bomb? It's been out for less than a week.

Technically, yes. But beyond the occasional miracle, the general expectation is that any movie will do about half the box office in weekend #2 as in weekend #1 (and then drop expotentially from there). That won't save the movie, and general tracking is that it'll drop even more than 50%.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Technically, yes. But beyond the occasional miracle, the general expectation is that any movie will do about half the box office in weekend #2 as in weekend #1 (and then drop expotentially from there). That won't save the movie, and general tracking is that it'll drop even more than 50%.

Valentines day may help, but after this weekend, it's over.

[Andrew NDB]

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny

[Sumac]

That what I was talking about.

I wonder, is this guy suffered problems in his relationship and decided to have support from women, by playing role of obedient "male feminist"?

[TommyT]

Might be a good time to remind everyone that

Men like women, and women like men.
Men hate bitches, and women hate douchebags.

Everyone, however, hates a bad movie.

[AquaParade]

Wow, those are the worst takes I've ever seen, Andrew. Who blames people for not wanting to see a movie? And Mr. Conway basically runs with "you must be immature if you are a comic book fan who doesn't want to see this." Just bizarre.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Wow, those are the worst takes I've ever seen, Andrew. Who blames people for not wanting to see a movie? And Mr. Conway basically runs with "you must be immature if you are a comic book fan who doesn't want to see this." Just bizarre.

I was even expecting this kind of thing, yet it's still so flabbergasting. It really is like arguing against an idealogy, or a religion, at this point.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny

Man, why do I have to feel so guilty for not seeing movies these days....

Oh, wait. I don't.

[Autbot_Benz]

These nuts need to realize some of us Comic Book Fans have respect for our favorite characters and won't go to a movie that utterly butchers said characters.

[Sumac]

So, people call you immature if you read comic books, but they also call you immature if you won't go to a movie to see a comic book based movie? Huh?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny

What took them so long?

[Leo656]

That one "adeline" nitwit who went on a giant Twitter rant in that article sums it up perfectly.

1. "I'm a huge fan of the comics and these characters, just like you!"
2. "This movie is at risk of failing because of Evil Misogynist Gatekeeping and NO other reason!"

No. NO. You're a f*cking liar. No one is afraid of vaginas, and you are NOT "a fan". You did not "grow up on these characters". Or maybe you did and figured nothing was important except the names, and that's stupid. IF you grew up on these stories and characters, then you would understand exactly why people are so pissed off at this movie that they're avoiding it. Because these beloved characters are bastardized, poorly-done "In Name Only" versions that do a disservice not just to the characters, but to the fans of said characters. And I hate to use the term "Real Fan", but I have no choice. "Real Fans" want to see the characters they already like, and to see them display the traits and attributes and be placed in situations that made them popular in the first place.

Goddamn it, you can put a cat in the oven but that don't make it a biscuit. And you can hire some producer's niece and call her "Cassandra Cain", but if you don't actually Do The Work and respect your f*cking audience then guess what? People aren't going to reward you for it.

"I don't care if every single thing is different from the comics that I swear I really am a fan of you guys! What REALLY matters, though, is that Hollywood needs more vaginas." Go to Hell, do not pass Go.

I bet you ANY amount of money that if they had made TWO movies, one about Harley and one about BoP, and BOTH of those movies actually presented the characters and situations more faithfully, it wouldn't matter how many vaginas there were. I bet you any amount of money that they BOTH would have done alright business, because the characters and stories in the books are strong. They don't need any tinkering.

"Tinkering" is why the movie isn't going to succeed. Not "gatekeeping", "evil men", "fear of women", no. NO. The movie is going to fail, or at least under-perform, because some idiot got the idea, long before THIS movie, that "As long as we keep the names the same, we can change everything else and people will still show up and applaud. Because they're stupid."

That kind of thinking CAN NOT be allowed to persist. One day, someone is gonna pitch a TMNT project (they likely already have) where they're human teenagers who become Turtles through some silly mess of circumstances. And we'll all bitch and moan, and rightfully so, because we all know that's NOT how the story goes. But "They" think it doesn't matter.

We have to show them that it does. And based on what I'm reading - A WHOLE lot of, "Well, I would've seen it if it didn't ruin my favorite character, ______!" - that's what is happening.

Respect your audience and earn their trust, they might actually give you money. Tell them "It doesn't matter anyway", they'll give you the finger. It's not too difficult.

"In Name Only" style "adaptations" are trash and deserve to be dismissed. End of story.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That one "adeline" nitwit who went on a giant Twitter rant in that article sums it up perfectly.

Did you follow to her Twitter? After all the backlash she got she threw her hands up and said, "Uninstalling Twitter... this ap is a time suck!"

[Leo656]

I don't have Twitter, never saw any use for it. For me personally, I mean. Although I think it's kind of a waste in general, I know that a lot of famous people use it. I'm barely "recognized at the mall by my house once in a while by someone who saw me wrestle once or twice" famous, nobody cares what I think. Therefore I don't need Twitter.

I can understand why some people might want to know what Patrick Stewart had for breakfast, or what The Rock thought about the latest episode of Ru Paul's Drag Race, or whatever. *I* don't care, and I honestly think it's stupid that anyone WOULD care, but I know some people care.

But I don't think anyone, anywhere, should care what "Becky From Long Island" or "Stan From Syracuse" thinks about absolutely anything. The biggest problem with the internet and things like social media is that it rewards people for being narcissists. "Everyone listen to what I have to say!" Um... no? Who are you? Like I give a f*ck.

Twitter is for narcissists.

[Andrew NDB]

I've had a Twitter for years but I don't tweet. Way too public.

[Leo656]

I misspoke, I once DID set one up under my real name for work in like 2011 because it was "the new company policy", but nobody ever used it and we all just forgot about it.

Like, who cares and why bother? What am I gonna put on there, training tips? People PAY me for that. Who's gonna be paying any attention, my clients? I can just text them or talk to them in person tomorrow.

A lot of wrestlers use it, but frankly they shouldn't, and even in WWE they have "social media classes" that basically come down to, "STOP filming yourself naked or having sex, for f*ck's sake, and don't say anything we don't explicitly tell you to say, because we are a publicly traded company and you people are just terrible at NOT saying stupid sh*t in public. So just don't. If we want 'you' to Tweet, we'll do it for you." Which sort of defeats the whole purpose, no? But every time someone DOES go into business for themselves, they make themselves look like an idiot and sometimes they get fired.

I really, truly see no good whatsoever from everyone being so "connected" the way they are. All it does is get people in trouble, from what I've seen. It's actually advisable to stay quiet MOST of the time. Especially when people lose their jobs over saying out loud who they voted for, and sh*t like that.

"Follow me on Twitter!" = "Please tell me I'm special and important!" You're not. I'm not. Nobody is. The whole thing is silly.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Birds of Prey Fans and Punisher Creator Gerry Conway Blame Film’s Poor Opening on Men and Misogyny

I think it was here somewhere that I talked about negative information a bit. This is a perfect example of this, when these people take these positions. Remember - negative information, like a photograph negative, is not "bad information", but rather information that you don't easily see - the opposite of positive information or that which is basically "in your face".

My point?

These fools must not realize that they are calling the entire world misogynists. Because if the movie didn't make any money, that means that no one went to see it. But these f'n fools don't recognize the number of people that didn't see the movie, instead the only recognize those that did in their bias.

If these people had any real brains, in situations like these they would be asking the whole world "why didn't you see it?" instead of confirming anything with the people that did see it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I misspoke, I once DID set one up under my real name for work in like 2011 because it was "the new company policy", but nobody ever used it and we all just forgot about it.

Like, who cares and why bother? What am I gonna put on there, training tips? People PAY me for that. Who's gonna be paying any attention, my clients? I can just text them or talk to them in person tomorrow.

Well, you've seen my FB. I post about movie reviews, occasionally "look at this funny thing my cat did!" or so on. That's about it. Maybe somebody cares about it, or maybe everybody doesn't. I don't care.

Twitter stuff, though, you have to be careful. First thing HR does these days is scan over all public stuff of yours in social media. Even from years back. For me, all they'd really find is me arguing about Star Trek: Picard or snarky movie stuff, but other people post crazy stuff that they shouldn't.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I think it was here somewhere that I talked about negative information a bit. This is a perfect example of this, when these people take these positions. Remember - negative information, like a photograph negative, is not "bad information", but rather information that you don't easily see - the opposite of positive information or that which is basically "in your face".

My point?

These fools must not realize that they are calling the entire world misogynists. Because if the movie didn't make any money, that means that no one went to see it. But these f'n fools don't recognize the number of people that didn't see the movie, instead the only recognize those that did in their bias.

If these people had any real brains, in situations like these they would be asking the whole world "why didn't you see it?" instead of confirming anything with the people that did see it.

They're not speaking from a place of reason, simply of emotion and self-righteousness.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I misspoke, I once DID set one up under my real name for work in like 2011 because it was "the new company policy", but nobody ever used it and we all just forgot about it.

Like, who cares and why bother? What am I gonna put on there, training tips? People PAY me for that. Who's gonna be paying any attention, my clients? I can just text them or talk to them in person tomorrow.

A lot of wrestlers use it, but frankly they shouldn't, and even in WWE they have "social media classes" that basically come down to, "STOP filming yourself naked or having sex, for f*ck's sake, and don't say anything we don't explicitly tell you to say, because we are a publicly traded company and you people are just terrible at NOT saying stupid sh*t in public. So just don't. If we want 'you' to Tweet, we'll do it for you." Which sort of defeats the whole purpose, no? But every time someone DOES go into business for themselves, they make themselves look like an idiot and sometimes they get fired.

I really, truly see no good whatsoever from everyone being so "connected" the way they are. All it does is get people in trouble, from what I've seen. It's actually advisable to stay quiet MOST of the time. Especially when people lose their jobs over saying out loud who they voted for, and sh*t like that.

"Follow me on Twitter!" = "Please tell me I'm special and important!" You're not. I'm not. Nobody is. The whole thing is silly.

I still don't understand the people that somehow have enough free time to search through some celeb's years worth of 'tweets' just to find that one 'tweet' that would be considered racist, sexist or whatever else by today's standards to start the next big drama and get the person fired.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They're not speaking from a place of reason, simply of emotion and self-righteousness.

Exactly. Hollywood groupthink is fascinating in some ways. It's a gated community physically and intellectually in ways that probably rival North Korea.