Star Trek: Discovery

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I was gonna say 'real vulcan', but don't wanna upset the 'identifiers..

No way. Burnham cries way too much to be even a Vulcan identifier.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So I watched the scene where Spock explains his relationship with Sybock in Star Trek V, because the lack of Sybock in the STD flashbacks seemed odd to me. Sure enough, he does state they were raised together, meaning Sybock and Michael should have been as well and it's never brought up.

... Don't you just love the fact that Spock doesn't just have one but two siblings, both of whom are so irrelevant to him they're never ever brought up in the tiniest little way when it comes to Spock-centric stories that don't revolve around them directly?

It's not quite like when the moron fanboys go, "Why doesn't Kirk or Picard ever talk about the NX-01 Enterprise? Why isn't it in Picard's display of ships in his ready room??" because the answer is "It wasn't created yet!" Well, it is for Sybok... but Burnham does not have that excuse. When they made STD Sybok had been a thing for over 20 years... what's their excuse, exactly?

[Andrew NDB]

Look at this, these are the press kits that went out to all the press to drum up interest in season 3, along with the first four episodes to review:







Big bottles of whisky! CBS is literally sending big bottles of whisky to the press. As if to say, "Look, we know they're bad, but these episodes are going to be WAY better if you're f***ed up!"

Myself, I just saw the first episode of season 3. Terrible. The writers literally don't know that the Federation and Starfleet are two different things. There's several points where they use the terms interchangeably, also incorrectly (what's a "Federation officer"? that's an oxymoron). Also, sure enough, right away there are lots of explosions, about 20 people murdered with phasers, and yes, Michael Burnham screaming and crying (twice in the episode).

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Look at this, these are the press kits that went out to all the press to drum up interest in season 3, along with the first four episodes to review:

https://i.ibb.co/s1yJ3NJ/121090433-3...43172422-o.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/L8FW4zw/121293073-3...75131596-o.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/LC0pX6g/121551734-3...45361191-o.jpg

Big bottles of whisky! CBS is literally sending big bottles of whisky to the press. As if to say, "Look, we know they're bad, but these episodes are going to be WAY better if you're f***ed up!"

Myself, I just saw the first episode of season 3. Terrible. The writers literally don't know that the Federation and Starfleet are two different things. There's several points where they use the terms interchangeably, also incorrectly (what's a "Federation officer"? that's an oxymoron). Also, sure enough, right away there are lots of explosions, about 20 people murdered with phasers, and yes, Michael Burnham screaming and crying (twice in the episode).

I've studied journalism. Maybe coverage of entertainment is a less serious subject, but there are certain ethical guidelines against accepting things that may sway interests. Some journalists might be so strict they won't even accept a cup of coffee during an interview even though that isn't really considered a problem, but literally sending booze like this is not OK by any means.

It can essentially be seen as a bribe to give the show a good review regardless of their actual opinion.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I've studied journalism. Maybe coverage of entertainment is a less serious subject, but there are certain ethical guidelines against accepting things that may sway interests. Some journalists might be so strict they won't even accept a cup of coffee during an interview even though that isn't really considered a problem, but literally sending booze like this is not OK by any means.

It can essentially be seen as a bribe to give the show a good review regardless of their actual opinion.

I understand the idea of sending "chachkies" to reviewers and whatnot... but literally a big bottle of hard liquor? Not like a fine pale ale or something... but a freaking big bottle of hard liquor? lmao...

Also, sadly... season 4 appears to have been confirmed:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/star-tr...enewed-for-s4/

F***.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Also, sadly... season 4 appears to have been confirmed:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/star-tr...enewed-for-s4/

F***.

I always got the feeling that CBS intended to go deep with Discovery, no matter how bad reception was. Kind of like how Nick tried to go deep with Rise, but then they bailed out.

I've decided to only watching once it's finished. I'll binge the whole thing once and then be done with it forever.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I always got the feeling that CBS intended to go deep with Discovery, no matter how bad reception was. Kind of like how Nick tried to go deep with Rise, but then they bailed out.

Absolutely correct.

I've decided to only watching once it's finished. I'll binge the whole thing once and then be done with it forever.

Probably the soundest course, honestly. And sadly.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There's an idea. Watch Disco drunk.

Shoulda done that for the first two seasons. Not gonna bother watching this season until it's all over. No week-to-week bull$hit.

[Leo656]

With newer shows being the way they are, I generally can't watch them week-to-week and enjoy them. Too many agendas and "questionable" storytelling decisions. I can only tolerate them if I see them many weeks or months later, and I've had time to make peace with the many things I know I'm not gonna like. I get a little bit less angry, that way. I also absolutely need full and detailed spoilers before I decide if a show is even worth my time in the first place.

Most shows aren't. Sad to say, but if the TV's on, it's almost always Family Guy and Simpsons reruns. For like almost 10 years in a row, now. TV in general is just.... terrible lately.

This exact minute, it happens to be Bob's Burgers, which I personally can't stand, but my wife has the remote and for some reason she thinks it's great. I'unno. I completely don't get it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This exact minute, it happens to be Bob's Burgers, which I personally can't stand, but my wife has the remote and for some reason she thinks it's great. I'unno. I completely don't get it.

I don't get Bob's Burgers either. Hate the art. Feel like I should like it, but I don't.

[Leo656]

I mean, I like H. Jon Benjamin, I just don't get the show's humor. I make my own "fun" whenever it's on by shouting "OUR KIDS ARE ALL ON 'THE SPECTRUM', LINDA!" in my best H. Jon Benjamin voice. My wife agrees that's much funnier than anything that's actually on the show.

By the way, I keep meaning to ask you how the new season of Archer is treating you. I think it started slow but is picking up. Kicking Abbiejean off to boarding school and only mentioning her ONCE pretty much conclusively proves my theory that the last three Seasons of nonsense were just because they didn't know how to write out the baby and didn't know how to move the story forward. I think after almost four years, it's kinda sad that this is the best they came up with, BUT it's always nice to be proven right.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, I like H. Jon Benjamin, I just don't get the show's humor. I make my own "fun" whenever it's on by shouting "OUR KIDS ARE ALL ON 'THE SPECTRUM', LINDA!" in my best H. Jon Benjamin voice. My wife agrees that's much funnier than anything that's actually on the show.

By the way, I keep meaning to ask you how the new season of Archer is treating you. I think it started slow but is picking up. Kicking Abbiejean off to boarding school and only mentioning her ONCE pretty much conclusively proves my theory that the last three Seasons of nonsense were just because they didn't know how to write out the baby and didn't know how to move the story forward. it think after almost four years, it's kinda sad that this is the best they came up with, BUT it's always nice to be proven right.

I'm actually waiting for the season to end so I can marathon the whole thing in a night or two.

So thanks for the spoilers, B!TCH. (Also, that's not surprising. Good idea on their part; smart insight on your part.)

[Leo656]

Is it THAT much of a spoiler, though? Even after the kid was born, they only ever showed her so Malory could call her fat. And they had her off-screen as much as possible and barely mentioned her at all. It was VERY clear to me that they only created her to add extra tension between Lana and Archer and tease them getting back together, but then immediately realized that they had no idea what to do with her and that having a baby/toddler around seriously cramped everyone's style. I think it's pretty telling that there's hardly even a single reference to her in any of the Coma seasons, I guess their way of implying that even Archer doesn't really care about her that much since even in his deepest subconscious he hardly thinks of her.

I just think it's kind of sad that they gave themselves almost four years to come up with something, and their best effort was "Just kick her off-screen and never bring her up" (so far, anyway). You can bet that when the show's over, they'll come out in a few years and admit out loud, "Yeah, the kid was a huge mistake and it ruined the show."

And THEN they'll do a Netflix "revival" season where it turns out there WAS no kid, and that Archer was already in a coma or something BEFORE all that stuff happened, meaning that pretty much everything since Season 3 or 4 was "all a dream". Since that's the trend nowadays.

Anyways, "whoops", figured you'd have already been watching it since you said you "couldn't wait" for it. Looking forward to going over it all with you once you get to it. I think it's pretty good, albeit a little bit predictable and I don't love every choice they made. First few episodes were kind of a downer honestly, but since then it's picked up some steam again.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think you're 100% on the mark regarding the Abijean stuff.

I mean, according to their schedule, the season is over at the end of the month (I think). So I can wait, do one of those "first month free!" deals for whatever streaming service, and marathon it.

The clips I've seen so far online are top notch!

[Leo656]

There's definitely a step up from the last few Seasons! Although - and I don't think this is too Spoiler-y - but the first couple episodes were kind of a drag in places, with a general "Everyone's life was better when Archer was gone" kinda thing going on, but that didn't last too long and it's in a pretty good groove now.

Is this Season really gonna be that short? Damn, for a final season that's pretty disappointing. Especially after sitting through all the coma nonsense. A few of those episodes along the way were good, it was just... UGH, padding. Nothing but padding on top of padding. ONE Season set in his coma dreams, awesome, great concept, I really dig that. TWO Seasons... alright, kinda stretching the premise, but okay. Past that? UGH, jet get back to the damn plot, he's either gonna wake up or he's not, can we quit the bullsh*t, please?

To only have one short wrap-up season after all that seems like a real bummer. It's like waiting on a line for two hours for a 60-second ride.

My wife raised a pretty interesting idea the other day. She said she'd love an "Adventures of Young Malory Archer"-type show, and I gotta admit, I would watch the absolute hell out of that. I think there's a TON of potential there, and I don't just say that because she's a total Silver Fox. Like it'd be great to see some of those adventures she'd only ever talked about or alluded to, and even better to see that for all her bluster that maybe she was almost exactly like Sterling when she was young. Like we find out that maybe she never really did have her sh*t together, she just failed upwards by the seat of her pants just like her idiot kid. The more I think about it, the more I think that hers would by far be the most interesting spin-off, were they to do one.

Also, I too thought it was "Abijean" (or "Abigene"). Turns out it's "Abbiejean" (I looked it up). Which is an awful name for a kid no matter how you spell it. Apparently, it's the name of the show creator's grandmother, and that's why. But oh man, that poor kid.

Also Also... CONGRATULATIONS on another complete and total thread-jack. "ONE MORE for the GOOD GUYS!"

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, I like H. Jon Benjamin, I just don't get the show's humor.

I love Bob's Burgers, it's exactly the show the Simpsons should have made way for ages ago, not only that, but it's been on for a decade plus now and is still funny while Simpsons peaked at season eight almost twenty-odd years ago.

Louise would be basically me if I was a girl, I love her relationship with Rudy, and Gene is pretty much me at a young as well.

[Leo656]

YOU think it's funny. To me, it's just "The Simpsons, But If Every Character In The Family Was Somewhere On The Autism Spectrum". Everybody just gets on my nerves. They're all almost too dumb to function, to the point where I can't really root for anybody. Like, the Family Guy characters are all terrible people but at least they're so awful that it circles around and becomes funny again through the sheer power of absurdity.

Plus, there's absolutely no ass on that show. Any show with no f*ckable characters has a gigantic uphill battle with me from the jump. Some shows have managed to overcome that kind of flaw, but this one hasn't.

I'unno, people can like it, to me it's just bland. I've seen at least one episode of it almost every day since it's been on, thanks to my wife, but for the life of me I can't remember anything outside of the very basic elements of a small number of episodes. It just doesn't stick with me at all. Some things go right through me and leave no lasting impression, and that's one of them. It certainly can't be that I haven't seen enough of it to have given it a chance; me and Bob's Burgers simply do not get along, for whatever reason. ((Shrug))

You and my wife can have it. My greatest take-away from Bob's Burgers is me openly and repeatedly declaring, "See, THIS is why I never want kids!" But other people can like it, good for them. I tried, I see it every day, it's just not for me. If it was, it'd have kicked in by now, I'm sure.

I will say that I don't think it's a BAD show, necessarily. There's a certain heart and charm to it, sure. I just don't see anything special about it and it doesn't provoke much in me. That Family Guy episode where Peter challenges them to actually do something funny had me pissing down my leg.
Bob: "I feel like this is less of a cross-over, and more of a roast."
Peter: "A roast is good-natured."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

My wife raised a pretty interesting idea the other day. She said she'd love an "Adventures of Young Malory Archer"-type show, and I gotta admit, I would watch the absolute hell out of that. I think there's a TON of potential there, and I don't just say that because she's a total Silver Fox. Like it'd be great to see some of those adventures she'd only ever talked about or alluded to, and even better to see that for all her bluster that maybe she was almost exactly like Sterling when she was young. Like we find out that maybe she never really did have her sh*t together, she just failed upwards by the seat of her pants just like her idiot kid. The more I think about it, the more I think that hers would by far be the most interesting spin-off, were they to do one.

I would watch the hell out of that.

Or even a Cyril Figgus, Agent of ISIS spinoff.

[Leo656]

Ehhhh f*ck Cyril, that whiny bitch. He's such a pissbaby.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Ehhhh f*ck Cyril, that whiny bitch. He's such a pissbaby.

I thought he was becoming badass in this final season?

And remember how he just dominated being a military general in Archer Vice?