Star Trek: Discovery

[Andrew NDB]

[Jester]

How stunning and brave.

[Vegita-San]

I still don't even know WTF Non Binary is even supposed to mean.

ever since solo, getting mighty tired of the alphabet people. it's like they have to keep on inventing new terms to make themselves feel unique and outcasted.
Like this CIS nonsense. i'm not a cis. i'm what's called a Real Man. maybe not a good example of one, but a real one. Harsh, but true.

[Andrew NDB]

As far as I'm concerned, they can add in whatever extra diversity and this and that... once they prove they have learned how to tell good stories without relying on that to get SJW points.

[neatoman]

... If a person is trans in Star Trek, how would anyone know? It doesn't seem like there would be many flaws in any medical procedure if medical science has advanced to the point where you can cure mental retardation... and death. You know, "We don't use scalpels and leeches anymore", wouldn't the transition methods be way better by the time of Starfleet?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

... If a person is trans in Star Trek, how would anyone know? It doesn't seem like there would be many flaws in any medical procedure if medical science has advanced to the point where you can cure mental retardation... and death. You know, "We don't use scalpels and leeches anymore", wouldn't the transition methods be way better by the time of Starfleet?

Good point. Presumably they could change DNA and graft/grow wombs and wangs just fine. We could have already seen dozens of trans people in ENT and TOS and TNG and never known it because it wouldn't even be a big deal. Like, look at all the episodes of Trek where someone is "surgically altered" to look like another race, and convincingly. There's like 30.

But now it's a big deal... in the 31st century or whatever? Odd.

[Andrew NDB]

Another trailer. So the Federation fell during "the Burn." *yawn* Looks like more high action/screaming/dumb joke stuff. Also, does this trailer actually show Tilley hugging a tree?



Yeesh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Star Trek Discovery continues to be trash. Shocking.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

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You know, after looking around to find out what other work Ted's daughter has done, I found out the actress is non-binary. I'm so glad the marketing and media didn't shower Bill and Ted 3 as stunning and brave and made it all about how amazing it is to include a non-binary person as part of the cast. I legit never woulda known until I looked them up. That's kinda how it should be with the Star Trek people. Who the **** cares? Unless they're also non-binary in the show, it shouldn't matter.



Also for the record, non-binary are simply people that don't identify as either gender, I guess they just... exist. While I assume it's a case of gender dysphoria it isn't like a transsexual where they actually wish they were born in the body of the opposite gender and hope to one day afford the procedure. I mean, transpeople have pronouns, it's just the opposite pronoun of the gender they were born with. Non-binaries use 'they' and 'them' pronouns. They simply don't identify with gender pronouns and don't stick to one gender role.

[Leo656]

Seems to be a ton of confusion among the younger generation nowadays, Coola. When I was younger, girls who liked to roughhouse and play with boys' toys more than Barbies were simply "tomboys" and that was fine. They were fine being called "girls" and they all still grew up and married guys, mostly.

Now there's all these labels and everyone needs one Just For Them. "Non-binary", "Gender Non-Conforming", this whole Pronoun Game stuff, and on and on and on. "I'm not _____, I'm ______! Don't you get it? I wanna be Different, Unique, and Special... just like everybody else!"

It all feels like a MadTV skit that's gotten out of hand. All I know is I wouldn't want these people to take care of me when I'm old and in the nursing home. As a white guy who calls himself a "Him" and only ever banged chicks, they'd probably let me starve for my crimes against humanity which I've committed simply by way of existing.

These last few years I feel like I woke up trapped in the plot of a really bad movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, and I do like me a cute tomboy. Some of my exes wouldn't completely fit the bill (not into sports or rough-housing) but they didn't like being overly-girly except for special occasions. IDK, something about a woman that can pull off the short hairstyle and still look cute usually grabs my attention. IMO it shows they're truly beautiful and don't need long hair covering half their face, hence their flaws, to look good.

I've met a few non-binaries I wouldn't mind dating if they offered (obviously if they're female by birth). As long as they're happy just using pronouns and don't have any plans to somehow get a dick someday, I'm fine. That includes Bridgette Lundy-Paine. Hey, they're 26. Someone give that cutie my number.


You bring up a good point. Are there tomboys anymore? Back in my day tomboys, despite all their boyish tastes were still straight women and still wanted boyfriends eventually. It seems nowadays tomboys just can't be tomboys without going full blown lesbian, bi, or non-gendered. All the tomboys I know are from around my generation, so they grew up when that was still a thing. I don't know any modern-day tomboys or at least I haven't run into any that don't have a bunch of other labels tacked onto them.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Now there's all these labels and everyone needs one Just For Them. "Non-binary", "Gender Non-Conforming", this whole Pronoun Game stuff, and on and on and on. "I'm not _____, I'm ______! Don't you get it? I wanna be Different, Unique, and Special... just like everybody else!"

These last few years I feel like I woke up trapped in the plot of a really bad movie.

Bingo.

it feels likethis generation is almost sad they where not born in the time when there was a fight for true equality for simply gay/lesbian rights. so, Now to hav their own fight, they INVENT new terms like Non Binary or trans or whatever...always having to one up the previous generation to feel more special.

I dunno. maybe I'm just feeling tired of everyone having to be special and a flower waiting to be trampled on. it just grows tiring after a while. grow a pair of whatever you need and get on with life.

[Leo656]

Yeah, that gets on my wife's goat quite a bit. She's very much a tomboy and especially when she talks to people on the internet they all insist that she can't possibly be straight. She likes wrestling and played softball in school and loves G.I. Joe and hates girly stuff (except MLP: FiM which is objectively amazing) and listens to heavy metal and refuses to wear dresses and loves Xena. Apparently "The Rules" say that if all of that is true at once then you HAVE to be a muff-diver or SOME damn thing or else you're just lying. You can't JUST be a "normal" straight woman with a few masculine tendencies. Not allowed! Not anymore.

Like, she once joined a Xena fan group on FB and then quit, because it was 99% a Rainbow Parade and they wouldn't stop giving her sh*t because 1. She chooses to view it as Xena and Gabrielle just being "Very Good Friends" and they wouldn't stop insisting that it HAS to be a show about lesbians, mostly because them watching it when they were younger helped THEM realize they were lesbians and all that, and she's like "That's fine, good for you, but *I* don't watch it through that perspective" and so people started ganging up on her calling her a bigot. And 2. Nobody in the group ever wanted to talk about anything BUT that stuff, and kept insisting that unless you are all-in on viewing it through the "Queer Lens" then you weren't REALLY a Xena fan. And then 3. People insisting that she's gotta be a lesbian in denial for all the reasons I've laid out. She got so fed up with all of that sh*t that she quit; she poked around FB some more and found out that they're pretty much ALL like that, which sucks for her because Xena's one of her favorite things, but she's not "allowed" to like it the way she wants to without people either saying she's a bigot or closeted and in denial. And don't even get me started on where Bi-Erasure comes into play with that group or just people in general; that's a whole other conversation, one they simply don't wanna have apparently.

I mean, *I* tease my wife about all of that stuff and give her a hard time in jest because she's my best friend, and in turn she makes jokes that I have to be gay because I own a Madonna CD and watch MLP. Those are jokes between two people in a committed relationship, though, which is a totally different scenario than someone telling you in all seriousness, "No, you HAVE to be ______ because that's how it works." Nobody HAS to be anything, everyone is an individual.

I always thought that the goal of being "progressive" was so there was LESS division between different types of people. But all I see when I look around are more and more labels everywhere. And labels divide people by default and definition. So I really don't think it's any surprise that we're seeing less acceptance and more pushback the more these things escalate. People just generally really, really hate being told how they're "supposed" to think, act, and be. And you'd think more people who affix these labels to themselves would get that more than anyone, but it really doesn't seem to be the case.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah, that gets on my wife's goat quite a bit. She's very much a tomboy and especially when she talks to people on the internet they all insist that she can't possibly be straight. She likes wrestling and played softball in school and loves G.I. Joe and hates girly stuff (except MLP: FiM which is objectively amazing) and listens to heavy metal and refuses to wear dresses and loves Xena. Apparently "The Rules" say that if all of that is true at once then you HAVE to be a muff-diver or SOME damn thing or else you're just lying. You can't JUST be a "normal" straight woman with a few masculine tendencies. Not allowed! Not anymore.

I always thought that the goal of being "progressive" was so there was LESS division between different types of people. But all I see when I look around are more and more labels everywhere. And labels divide people by default and definition. So I really don't think it's any surprise that we're seeing less acceptance and more pushback the more these things escalate. People just generally really, really hate being told how they're "supposed" to think, act, and be. And you'd think more people who affix these labels to themselves would get that more than anyone, but it really doesn't seem to be the case.

Bingo again.

I will never understand trans stuff. I won't trash them, I won't make fun of them. I'll feel sorry for them and move on. At least gay and lesbian folk are HAPPY being what they are born as. same goes for tomboys. I mean, I can be attracted to tomboys, because they aren't into the barbie type of life style. does that mean i'm secretly gay? It's nice to have a woman around that doesn't take 2 hours to get ready to go to dinner. I also like barry manilow. I'd have gotten beaten up in the 80s for admitting that. I 'm just a new age sensitive guy, as the song goes.

smh. as you said. I'm just tired of people labling ****. just be happy who you are, be happy who someone else is, and move on. opinions, fine. but ugh. enough already.

[Andrew NDB]

I've said this elsewhere here, but it seems pretty simple to me.

When I was in high school in the late 90s and hormones were raging... you had your cliques. The rockers, the rappers, the skaters, the goths, the geeks, the jocks, etc., with a little rubover in pockets. But you could basically choose your pocket back then and "fit in." Lots of options and opportunity.

Now? That's all gone. Pretty much new music is all "samish" and no one is skating anymore really. So what's left? Nothing. But here comes identity stuff to replace it. What gender do YOU identify with? There's 20! And now you can belong, etc..

[IMJ]

They should've just quietly put them in the show. But they are politicizing it. Easy pass because of the agenda. But Discovery has been an easy pass from the get-go anyway so, whatever.

[Andrew NDB]

So season 3 begins this Thursday. Here's the opening scene of the first episode:



Unbelievable. Their first f**king scene and already with the explosions, rapid fire phasering, and screaming. Didn't they say this season was supposed to be happy and hope-filled?

Also, apparently you control a 31st century ship by moving your hand around some moving nanites that all look the same?

[neatoman]

So I watched the scene where Spock explains his relationship with Sybock in Star Trek V, because the lack of Sybock in the STD flashbacks seemed odd to me. Sure enough, he does state they were raised together, meaning Sybock and Michael should have been as well and it's never brought up.

... Don't you just love the fact that Spock doesn't just have one but two siblings, both of whom are so irrelevant to him they're never ever brought up in the tiniest little way when it comes to Spock-centric stories that don't revolve around them directly?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So I watched the scene where Spock explains his relationship with Sybock in Star Trek V, because the lack of Sybock in the STD flashbacks seemed odd to me. Sure enough, he does state they were raised together, meaning Sybock and Michael should have been as well and it's never brought up.

... Don't you just love the fact that Spock doesn't just have one but two siblings, both of whom are so irrelevant to him they're never ever brought up in the tiniest little way when it comes to Spock-centric stories that don't revolve around them directly?

You know what the difference between Sybok and Burnham is?

I liked Sybok.

[Vegita-San]

I was gonna say 'real vulcan', but don't wanna upset the 'identifiers..