Wonder Woman 1984

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TMNTFanatic4Life

Arrow cared more about "Olicity" then doing anything legit with the Black Canary character. Yes, I'm still bitter about that lol.

At least they tried at the end to redeem KC's Black Siren character but it was a little too late. I mean I think it quite obvious what that show runners were more concerned it. You would think a show about Green Arrow would build up a pretty good Black Canary and not be so concerned with pleasing the Olicity shippers but whatever. And some will say Katie Cassidy sucked on the show but I say she was more than capable of pulling off the BC character if given the proper material. They never did until a few episodes midway through season 4 and then....they off her, smh.

I know, I know but like I said...bitter lol

I'm still hella bitter about it, too, amigo. Katie Cassidy is awesome.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm still hella bitter about it, too, amigo. Katie Cassidy is awesome.

That's kinda why I wish Green Arrow and the Canaries would get picked up. two canaries for the price of one and chick GA too.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You mind posting some links? I looked a few days ago and didn't find anything yet.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...quel-h8k3722k2

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/...-donald-trump/

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman...i-donald-trump

Also:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm still hella bitter about it, too, amigo. Katie Cassidy is awesome.

I would never hold a person's personal life over their professional one, like in the arts/movies/TV... but like with a few other celebrities, I made the mistake of looking at her Instagram. She got pretty nasty about the U.S. leading up to the election.

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

That's kinda why I wish Green Arrow and the Canaries would get picked up. two canaries for the price of one and chick GA too.

Eugh. Have you seen the "backdoor pilot" for it last season, though? Yeesh. And I mean yeesh. That was poised to be "SJW: The Series." Like, "OK, we'll make you a deal, audience. We'll let you have a couple of straight white women (well, until maybe we decide to "enlighten" them later on!) front and center... but it's going to COST you!" Then, insert virtually every SJW trope in the book.

[ZariusTwo]

UK and Ireland will receive an on-demand version of beginning January 13th


https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-198...se-uk-ireland/

[Andrew NDB]

DOA on international premiere because it's woke:

https://trib.al/32GdmmS

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

DOA on international premiere because it's woke:

https://trib.al/32GdmmS

Really disappointed at this because the first one, while a little dry and long in parts, had a real purity of heart to it.

[Leo656]

To be fair, in reading the full-spoilers review/descriptions, it doesn't sound AS bad as some of the stuff that leaked out sounded.

Definitely some sloppy plot holes (which even some of the positive and non-spoiler reviews are picking at), which is a shame. But it doesn't sound like it's AS big a mess as it could've been.

More than anything, I'm shocked that 100% of the Reddit leaks which came out over a YEAR ago are completely accurate. Like how often does THAT happen?

And I still say that this exercise completely and thoroughly wastes the potential of the Max Lord character, which could have been used to great effect over a three-film (or greater) arc which could have set him up to be a Big Villain down the road... and instead they go this route and essentially make him a throw-away. Given that he's one of my favorite DC characters, that never isn't going to annoy me.

But yeah, definitely a step down from the first by all accounts but doesn't sound AS bad as I'd feared.

EDIT: I read the article, and I do feel compelled to say... Breitbart? Really?

Excluding the source, though - and I do agree with SOME of their broader points, although not at all with their opinion that the first Wonder Woman movie was bad - I don't think it's fair to completely dismiss the impact of the pandemic on the global box office. It depends greatly on where you live, obviously, but while it compares the film's box office to that of "Tenet", it also notes (but doesn't draw much attention to) the fact that Nolan's film opened on many more screens than WW84. That's unavoidably going to add some dents.

Meanwhile, it's a foregone conclusion that it's not going to have a big theatrical run in America. Most theaters aren't open and this is the place where it's supposedly "the worst hit" by the pandemic, so even if theaters are screening the film, nobody's going to go. They were always going to lose their shirt on this one. There's probably a lot of reasons why, the biggest being "It was finished and ready a year ago, but they just HAD to put it out during an election year to try and ride the Anti-Trump wave." For that, then yeah, they deserve to fail in a sense, because that was a bonehead move all the way around. No, they couldn't have predicted the pandemic, but there was simply no GOOD reason to sit on the movie for an entire year, and thus any losses suffered are their own. This is what they get for their hubris.

I think it's "failure" financially will be due to a variety of factors. I will say, in speaking with some of my Internet Friends from other countries, the anti-Trump sentiment Over There is nowhere near as strong as it is Over Here, and quite frankly, a lot of people think we're silly for taking politics (and politicians) so seriously. So I do think that will have some effect on the global box office simply because Jenkins tried to make it a movie with a strong political message that simply won't read or play well in a lot of other parts of the world.

I mean, TO BE FAIR, it really sounds like the movie ultimately tries to make its message more one of "Don't be a selfish, greedy prick", but ALSO, that the unspoken words "Like that asshole Donald Trump, amIrite?!" still permeate a lot of it. And I think that is a factor. They could have just as well put over the first half of that message without leaning into the second half.

Like, even some reviewers who were positive about the movie have asked: Did this movie NEED to be set in 1984, and/or have a Trump stand-in as the main villain? The answer truly seems to be "No, not at all". Jenkins herself has tried to play it up as framing the 1980s as this period of decadent excess, with "Greed Is Good" bleeding into every facet of our culture and how we're Just Now coming to full terms with the consequences of it. But even this is tone-deaf: In articles which have talked about her explanation for these creative choices, the comments sections are full of people essentially saying, "Bullsh*t, the 1980s were the last time anyone had any FUN and I'd rather live Then than Right Now where everybody's a whiny hyper-sensitive bitch." So again, I do think Patty Jenkins vastly misread the general audience when she sat down to make this movie.

I'm definitely more interested in seeing it now than I was before - once again, Thank God for Spoilers - but I do think they took a rather arrogant and tone-deaf approach to making this movie and it's probably going to have a very strong negative effect on the box office.

It's definitely partly the pandemic, though. How much or how little, I don't know. But to dismiss it entirely is disingenuous.

[Shark_Blade]

Watched the movie again at the cinema, had a great time.

I always like Kristen Wiig since I first saw her in Ghostbusters but she’s a whole different beast in this one, whew. And her personality is so charming and endearing.

[frank_one]

That Breitbart review is pure paranoia. Judging a movie by its box office performance? I mean, now? When theaters all around the world are closed? Only a paranoiac would do that.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by frank_one

That Breitbart review is pure paranoia. Judging a movie by its box office performance? I mean, now? When theaters all around the world are closed? Only a paranoiac would do that.

Yeah... Breitbart is as busy looking to slander the left at any turn as CNN is to slander the right at any turn.

We are definitely in an era where you sort of have to wait until the smoke clears to judge the success of a movie or not. I'm still not entirely sure if Tenet was truly a success. I saw that one in the theater but I'd hardly call it Nolan's best flick - it was more of a 2 hour plot device than a movie.

But either way, I can absolutely imagine Wonder Woman 2 is a liberal vehicle for bull $#!(, but I'm not going to take Breitbart's word for it. lol!

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Watched the movie again at the cinema, had a great time.

[CyberCubed]

Between HBO subscriptions and people watching it online illegally, you can't really judge box office sales now. It's obviously going to be abysmal.

[Leo656]

And it's all their own fault. They could have released it in August 2019, made their $1.2 billion, and thrown themselves a parade.

Now they look like idiots, AND they're gonna take a bath on a movie that probably cost $300 million after marketing. They are absolutely going to lose at least $150-200 million on the project because even with HBO Max subscriptions (HAH!) they'd need to stick a rocket up this movie's metaphorical ass for it to make even $150 million. It's not happening.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If only they hadn't insisted on waiting for the dumbest possible reasons. Ah well.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Reviews are out, currently sitting at 89% fresh with 61 reviews:

https://www.rottentomatos.com/m/wonder_woman_1984

It is now sitting at 77% fresh.

That's under DC's other 2020 film, Birds of Prey.

In other news, Patty Jenkins nearly declined to do the Wonder Woman sequel:

Originally Posted by Patricia Lea Jenkins

"I started to walk away, ... I was gonna’ walk away. I even said I’d be happy to go to another studio and make a quarter as much because it’s not a sequel, on principle, no problem.”

"It's interesting as someone who never made any profit in my career up until Wonder Woman, that I was always at peace with it. I was like, ‘Hey I get it.’ But now I was like, ‘Listen, I never made any money in my career because you always had the leverage and I didn’t.’ But now the shoe is on the other foot so it’s time to turn the tables. I don’t want to talk about a quote system that’s boxed me out and it’s not even true. It was easy to find that all of the men not just had quotes, they’d made an independent film and then a first [superhero] movie. They got paid seven times more than me for the first superhero movie. Then on the second one, they got paid more than me still. It was an easy fight to say, ‘This can’t be. It super can’t be. And it really can’t be on Wonder Woman...It was an interesting thing to do, but it was an easy thing to do in the fact I was dead serious. That I was like ‘If I can’t be victorious in this regard, then I’m letting everyone down.’ If not me, who? So it became something I became very, very, very passionate about."

That's just ... shameful, in nearly every way.

Come on, Warner Bros.

[Leo656]

She's barely done anything.

She made ONE movie before Wonder Woman. And it was forever ago. And wasn't a big gigantic hit. She didn't deserve to get paid a lot for Wonder Woman because she hadn't directed a movie in almost 20 goddamn years and nobody knew if she was in over her head or not.

Yes, "Wonder Woman" was a big hit, but that doesn't altogether prove Patty Jenkins is worth an enormous price tag. She may be a one-trick pony, we don't know. Turns out it was a good movie. But they had no way of knowing that before she made it. And it's still the only thing she's ever done that's incredibly noteworthy.

This time out, they gave her the money AND full creative control, and even the people who like it are saying it's not as good as the first one. So again, maybe she's kind of a hack who got lucky once, we don't know yet.

You don't just show up at a job, hit ONE big home run, and start throwing your weight around demanding/expecting to be rewarded as much as people who've been there longer and done more. That's just not how it works.

She's always been "fine" by me for the most part - I liked "Monster", but it's not like it was incredible - but a lot of her recent interviews show that she's already getting a bit of a swelled head. If there wasn't this huge wave of "Girl Power! F*CK YEAH!" going on right now she might not even be making movies in the first place. She should slow her roll a little bit.

Especially since this movie is gonna take a HUGE bath, financially. That's not HER fault, but it is what it is. Realistically, how much money is she gonna get thrown at her NEXT time, given the real-world circumstances and everything? Apparently she's on tap to do a Star Wars joint for Disney, but they're taking some big hits right now like everybody else in the industry. When it comes time to cut her a check, they're gonna have to look at the cold facts that her most recent movie 1. Bombed financially (for multiple reasons out of her control, but still) and 2. Got mixed reviews compared to the previous one. Neither of those things give her any leverage whatsoever.

I don't dislike her. But she's coming off as an entitled brat considering that she more or less just showed up at the Big Game.

[IMJ]

I like the original Wonder Woman movie and Gal is great in it.
But it's not really that great of a flick. It drags a lot in places and there is a lot of melodrama at the every end that sort of brings it into "Twilight" status.

But people were accepting of it because Gal was truly great in it, and the only message it had was that of a strong female superhero who cared about people and would put herself on the line for them. It was nice.

And the rosy colored lens of the movies stems from the fact that it had the content I just outlined, but it came out during a window of time where all of the "woke" messaging was gaining steam, yet the first Wonder Woman didn't wear it on a shirt and it didn't downplay the other characters for her sake.

So there are reasons the first one is cherished, but it isn't because it's actually a great movie. It's actually not a great movie. But it does have some great characters in it.

[CyberCubed]

Chris Pine was actually the best actor in the first movie. It's weird his scenes as Steve Trevor are overlooked, he had the best lines and acted scenes in the movie.

[Leo656]

Eh, I don't know. *I* still think the first one's really good, but I'm also sometimes an easy lay.

[Andrew NDB]

Christmas Eve here on the west coast, 9 PM (PST) and it's still not "available"... I'm actually pretty impressed.

[Coola Yagami]

Not watched it yet, don't care for spoilers. What were the Trump-isms? Like did Maxwell Lord sound or act like him? Did he say **** like 'I know words, I know the best words' or whatever? Did his wife move her hand away from him? Did Stormy Daniels cameo?

Like I remember during Joker they were saying Thomas Wayne was gonna be a Trump standin and to be honest... I didn't see it. He was just an asshole. And hell, the scene he punched Arthur made sense considering he has his hands all over his son's face earlier on. Unless the running joke for 2019/2020 was 'we'll just consider any rich white asshole as a Trump standin'.

I'm just honestly curious. Like I know all the media blasted us with it but is it that obvious in the movie or is it something you have to really reach for and squint your eyes at.

[sdp]

yeah politically triggered people where everything is against them, Joker got it worse since it was either pro-trump or anti-trump depending what political side you were into. At the end of the day no one listened to either of these clowns (no pun intended) and movie was great.