Scooby-Doo officially jumps the shark and makes Velma a lesbian.

[CyberCubed]

The only lesbians I like are the "hot" or "feminine" lesbians.

If they're the butch or masculine or fat looking lesbians, then no, I don't care for those lesbians. Especially those husky ones with the muscles and the short shaved haircuits...oof. I don't think anyone likes those lesbians. Even just thinking of those motorcycle looking ones makes me seasick.

[IndigoErth]

Well then good news, it doesn't seem like they're intended to appeal to you anyhow?

Kinda like an atheist complaining about the taste of the Jesus wafers. lol

[CyberCubed]

If it's lesbians in shows/cartoons, etc, they at least have to look good for me to approve it. Obviously in real life I don't care.

[Leo656]

I once went to a showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show with some friends. Everything you've heard about pretty much happens. There were some hefty, near-300lb lesbians who I think must've been on Ecstasy or something, they got half-naked pretty early on and were pretty much sucking on each other's faces and pawing at each other's teats for the entire duration of the show. Just my luck it would be "that kind of lesbians" and not the ones you'd actually wanna see doing that in public.

I did kinda luck out, though. I'd never been there before and there's a bit where they kinda taunt the new people; a bunch of hot chicks in the cast/crew gave me a quick lap dance while making jokes about the size of my penis, then they all gave me quick kisses on the cheek for being a good sport about it.

That Rocky Horror scene is a f*cking zoo. Kinda fun if you absolutely don't care what kinda sh*t you're gonna see... because odds are you're gonna see someone getting freaky with someone else and it's just kinda "oh well". I don't even really care about the movie but a bunch of my friends used to go all the time and they were like "C'mon." It was fun but I was like, "Why'd it have to be FAT lesbos?" and they're laughing like "Yeah sometimes you get the hot kind doing that sh*t but tonight wasn't the night I guess."

So I'unno, as for my "Seen Live Action Girl-On-Girl" Scorecard, I don't know if my score is -1 or if I broke even. I don't really wanna count that one as a check in the Win column.

[oldmanwinters]

NPR quotes the film director:

"It honestly did not occur to [me] that we were doing something so groundbreaking until right now," the movie's director, Audie Harrison, told NPR in an email. "While writing and directing this, I just set out to have fun with the comedy of an awkward teenage crush."

He added, "I actually thought it was a bigger deal for Velma's character that she is in love with the villain of the movie. The fact that she is a girl is just... well, a fact. That being said, it does feel great to be a part of normalizing representation, especially with such a well-known franchise like Scooby-Doo!"

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/11268...scooby-doo-gay

Is it weird to anyone else that Velma is not only suddenly lesbian but "her type" is basically herself?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

NPR quotes the film director:

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/11268...scooby-doo-gay

Is it weird to anyone else that Velma is not only suddenly lesbian but "her type" is basically herself?

Typical BS. "Oh we like... didn't know and it just turned out that way" as if they couldn't have just made the villain male, or make Velma fall for the villain's brother or something.

Nope, gotta ignore history and just gay her up for those sweet virtue points. If they wanted to 'normalize representation' they could have added a lesbian or gay NEW character and have the Scooby Gang treat them with the same respect as they would anybody else. That's normalization.

[MikeandRaph87]

I admit I found it odd that she was paired with Shaggy just because Fred and Daphne had flirtatious chemistry, but I never thought of her as homosexual. It is just another example of society embracing a social contagion. Perhaps the new SNL skit best exemplifies this.

[DarkFell]

I heard from someone that Velma and Shaggy were meant to be an item, but they either kept that low-key, or Shaggy & Scooby were more of a dynamic based on all of the predicaments that they often wound up in.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by DarkFell

I heard from someone that Velma and Shaggy were meant to be an item, but they either kept that low-key, or Shaggy & Scooby were more of a dynamic based on all of the predicaments that they often wound up in.

That's pretty much what happened in the last series. It's kind of a shame, it's kinda like... Shaggy is pigeon-holed into the whole 'running from ghosts, always eating and being best buds with Scoob' bit. I swear those two lived in their own world, which is why a lot of times those two had shows where it was mostly just them.

But yeah, they either didn't want to change the Shaggy/Scooby dynamic or were afraid to somehow include Velma into it, so we ended up with Velma pretty much crushing on Shaggy to no avail. He'd never change his character that was locked in since the very beginning to somehow include Velma as his girlfriend.

In fact several movies or episodes have dealt with some women showing interest in Shaggy, but he's always cartoonishly oblivious, but the 'real world' reason is because they don't want to change the Shaggy/Scooby dynamic.

EDIT- Two more things of note. For a while if you Googled Velma, there would be confetti and pride flags all over your screen to 'celebrate' Velma being gay now.

And secondly, in the new adult Velma comedy, she has a crush on Fred, so now there's backlash cause they're 'rolling it back' on her being gay, as if it were to be expected she'd just be perma-gay from now on in each new incarnation.

[ssjup81]

Geez, don’t get me started on this. I really hate that they made her a lesbian because canonically, she isn’t. Why not just introduce another character who happens to be a lesbian? Besides, Velma has crushed on guys before. I agree over how insulting it is to plain Janes…they must obviously be lesbians. Why not make Daphne gay..oh wait, it’d go against the narrative. -_-

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

In fact several movies or episodes have dealt with some women showing interest in Shaggy, but he's always cartoonishly oblivious, but the 'real world' reason is because they don't want to change the Shaggy/Scooby dynamic.

Well, actually Shaggy has had a girlfriend before…Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf. I think they lived together. I also recall Shaggy being happy from her kisses. Think he got one before one of the races he was forced into. Forgot her name and Shaggy still had an appetite.

[Leo656]

I mean they could just say "She's Bi" and that ideally would be "No harm, no foul", but I guess that wouldn't piss off "the squares" enough.

But I mean yeah, given that she's canonically crushed on or flirted with guys before it seems dumb to flip it a full 180 and say she only likes girls. I don't understand why these creatives are generally so opposed to just making these characters bi as a "reasonable compromise". But then I guess people would still complain about that too, either that it was still too far or not far enough.

"The bi erasure is real." ((Pours one out for plastroncafe))

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean they could just say "She's Bi" and that ideally would be "No harm, no foul", but I guess that wouldn't piss off "the squares" enough.

But I mean yeah, given that she's canonically crushed on or flirted with guys before it seems dumb to flip it a full 180 and say she only likes girls. I don't understand why these creatives are generally so opposed to just making these characters bi as a "reasonable compromise". But then I guess people would still complain about that too, either that it was still too far or not far enough.

"The bi erasure is real." ((Pours one out for plastroncafe))

Kinda reminds me of modern day Tim Drake. "He's not gay, he's bi." but if he ever makes eyes at Stephanie Brown again.......

[Leo656]

I mean in his case it just feels way too out of left field. There was never any evidence, not even circumstantially. I get that in real life some people just "wake up" one day or whatever and realize they were in denial or some such but for storytelling purposes in order for such a thing to feel organic and earned it could probably be built up to or foreshadowed a little bit. Not just "Oh yeah they're bi now." But I mean, it's a lot more believable for a previously-straight-presenting character to suddenly be bi, rather than "just gay", I mean that doesn't even make sense.

And yeah it's pretty stupid that in fiction most "bi" characters can only be in same-sex relationships but like most things you can just blame the cesspool that is Twitter for that.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean in his case it just feels way too out of left field. There was never any evidence, not even circumstantially. I get that in real life some people just "wake up" one day or whatever and realize they were in denial or some such but for storytelling purposes in order for such a thing to feel organic and earned it could probably be built up to or foreshadowed a little bit. Not just "Oh yeah they're bi now." But I mean, it's a lot more believable for a previously-straight-presenting character to suddenly be bi, rather than "just gay", I mean that doesn't even make sense.

And yeah it's pretty stupid that in fiction most "bi" characters can only be in same-sex relationships but like most things you can just blame the cesspool that is Twitter for that.

I hate how so many things are dependent on 'what Twitter thinks' nowadays. That is a horrible platform that should be put offline, it has too much control over media nowadays.

It sounds stupid, like 'just turn off the computer', but even if you weren't 'on the computer' you could get fired by what some clown says about you on Twitter. Like let's say Chris Pratt is barely online, they'd still be calling for his head just because he voices Mario in a movie or whatever.

The fact that entire shows, movies and whatnot are all formed around 'what is least likely to make Twitter mad at us' which is pathetic and sad that its been given so much power.

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I hate how so many things are dependent on 'what Twitter thinks' nowadays. That is a horrible platform that should be put offline, it has too much control over media nowadays.

The fact that entire shows, movies and whatnot are all formed around 'what is least likely to make Twitter mad at us' which is pathetic and sad that its been given so much power.

I can approve of this. Twitter actually does house some decent digital work & decent fanart, but for most of the drivel that I tend to come across, a familiar scene does come to mind..

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

"URL="https://twitter.com/MythicalLlamaXO/status/1577105649405947905"]her type[/URL]" is basically herself?

That will be the new battle for the gender-studies nuts - add a new gender term defining people who basically just finger themselves or jerk off all day out of "self love".

I can see it now - "It's time that we talked about 'self love' and accepting it" or whatever other buzzword was stolen from a queer, awkward-minded gender studies student lexicon of nonsense and packaged for the peasants to get behind as if it was actually intellectual.

[Prowler]

LGBT people are supposed to be a minority. But have they considered that, at this rate, we'll reach a point where half or more of fictional characters in the American media are LGBT? Suddenly matching real life demographics doesn't matter anymore or something? The media also makes one think half or close to half of USA is black. And that half or more of White Americans are Jewish.

Honestly, fiction doesn't have to emulate real life 100%. If I want to draw a comic and make everyone, let's say, heteronornative White Italian people, I should very damn well be allowed to. I have no obligation to add a black Italian just because Mario Balotelli exists or a gay character just because there's also gay Italians. That's ****ing stupid.

[Cowabung-Gal]

The idea of Velma being a lesbian was treated as a joke for many years. So was Batman’s “secret relationship” with his minor sidekick Robin. The only people who took such topics seriously were conservatives and concerned parents.

But Velma’s lesbianism has now been canonized. And Bruce Wayne is starting to show interest in men (or at least in the comics he is). So does this mean that Batman X Robin will become canon next, even though it’s wrong on so many levels?

[Prowler]

Anyway, I could swear Scooby Doo had jumped the shark decades ago already. Since the introduction of Scrappy.

Or perhaps it was just never that good in the first place. I did like Scooby Doo a lot when I was a kid, but I haven't watched it in over 20 years by now.

[Leo656]

Part of "growing up" is when you just plain wake up one day and realize that Scooby-Doo was ALWAYS terrible. It's an inevitability that comes with the passing of time. Everyone gets there at a different point but we all get there eventually.