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Also, patronizing granddaughter - gee, what an amazing choice of a character. Woke freaks still can't get through their thick skulls, that this type of propaganda will just push people away from them, as no-one likes obnoxious piece of **** who attacks everything you do. |
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Epic Fail smh
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This really smacks of "advice" from Kathleen Kennedy.
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The film looks terrible of course but honestly, what‘s the problem with that picture Andrew posted? It‘s not even a ‘Nazi comparison‘, it‘s just pseudo-witty banter.
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There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.
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But with that said, given the current social environment, I can see why people are absolutely hesitant. |
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- I fought Nazis. - But you did bad things too! As Andrew said, in current climate (and even without it) it is hard to see this line as "witty banter". Given that Indy saved quite a lot of people few times such comparison is disrespectful and dumb. And I have a feeling no-one will call out her character for being an insufferable idiot. |
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I don't see myself going to see this in theaters (assuming I see it at all). I guess the only movie I'll likely be seeing in theaters this year is TMNT.
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It's like April ONeil being a ninja student and telling leonardo 'you suck, too!'. disrespectful at the least, patronizing at the worst. |
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It's typical 'woman always better than a man, cause even if a man mostly does good things, he still need to be knocked down a peg or two cause reasons' nonsense.
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Eh. You guys are overthinking this.
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Just bought the tickets to tonight's show for this one. I have seen and remember seeing every Indiana Jones movie in the theater since I was a kid. I hope this movie is great. I really want this movie to be great....
My best guess? The first 30 minutes with young Indy will be worth the price of the whole movie. I can't help but get excited about Indiana Jones - I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan.... ![]() I write about some of that experience as a kid in the introduction here too. |
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I'm not seeing a big consensus on social media. Half the people are saying, "Well, it's at least a little better than Crystal Skull" and the other half are saying, "Crystal Skull was a better ending than this, at least." With almost all of both sides pointing to Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the root cause of the movie's problems, largely in emasculating and undermining Indy or otherwise just eating up time that would be better spent on Indy alone.
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"I fought the Nazi's!" and saved an untold number of lives has he stopped them from weaponizing massive ancient mystical weapons. "You stole from indigenous people!" from places long since abandoned or from murderous cults to preserve their historical value. I don't recall him ever trying to steal from a group of people actively using these items for worship except for after they tried to kill him. Whenever he took something, "it belongs in a museum". You could make that argument that it belongs in a museum in the country it was taken from...but his treasure was another long gone societies trash. Her context is stupid. |
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And they dropped the ball in the end. Badly. Very badly. Here is the thing - Indy is played as a man out of time in this movie and in many ways it fits, given 1969. But they had a real chance here for the character's journey to be "the man out of time" who develops and eventually shows that he still has relevance and wisdom at the end. But they don't. They simply go the "crushed old man" route. And it's bad. You're going to get two complainers of this movie - the people who are so distraught with Disney that they will pile on and strawman the movie. The second are the more intellectual complaints. There is no reason to go the first route when the second is so clear. The prologue is awesome. The CGi isn't nearly as good as Ford has said it is in interviews, but it is the best de-aging that we've had on screen. But there are definitely a few ragdoll moments, punctuated by others that honestly look like they filmed Indy 30 years ago. I think people often confuse "the best" with "perfect" and unfortunately the current "best" is really good but not even remotely without CGi ragdolling. But the end of the movie? Bad, bad ball drop. The epilogue is good to an extent, but I'm not talking about the epilogue. The end of the movie is literally seeing our great hero a simpering old man presented with a very hollow argument about how he is "needed" but it's very empty and there are no connections to the story with it. And the final action that "brings him back?" OMG. Last edited by IMJ; 06-30-2023 at 12:47 PM. |
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