Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[Sumac]

Spoiler:

So those rumors were true after all?
I mean, I disliked his character, but killing him.

Also, patronizing granddaughter - gee, what an amazing choice of a character. Woke freaks still can't get through their thick skulls, that this type of propaganda will just push people away from them, as no-one likes obnoxious piece of **** who attacks everything you do.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Spoiler:

So those rumors were true after all?
I mean, I disliked his character, but killing him.

Also, patronizing granddaughter - gee, what an amazing choice of a character. Woke freaks still can't get through their thick skulls, that this type of propaganda will just push people away from them, as no-one likes obnoxious piece of **** who attacks everything you do.

Not to mention back then a kid woulda been smacked into next week for speaking to their elders that way.

[ProphetofGanja]

Epic Fail smh

[Andrew NDB]

This really smacks of "advice" from Kathleen Kennedy.

[Barkworm]

The film looks terrible of course but honestly, what‘s the problem with that picture Andrew posted? It‘s not even a ‘Nazi comparison‘, it‘s just pseudo-witty banter.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

The film looks terrible of course but honestly, what‘s the problem with that picture Andrew posted? It‘s not even a ‘Nazi comparison‘, it‘s just pseudo-witty banter.

Its dumb, because, its directly compares Indy to Nazis, which is a **** take.

[frank_one]

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by frank_one

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.

There have been other lines of dialog in Indy flicks that insinuate that he is viewed across the profession as both an archeologist and a grave robber. It is also implied that he is a bit of scoundrel in TOD as well. And so, in that spirit I don't think the line of dialog is anything more than we've seen the "puritan characters" in the Indy world deliver in the past.

But with that said, given the current social environment, I can see why people are absolutely hesitant.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by frank_one

There's no comparison between Indy and the nazis in that dialogue, you guys are reading stuff you want to read but that it is not there. Helena says that Indy has done good things (fighting nazis) and bad things as well (stealig stuff from indigenous people). She's not comparing him or his action to what nazis did. It's everything in your mind.

Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

As Andrew said, in current climate (and even without it) it is hard to see this line as "witty banter". Given that Indy saved quite a lot of people few times such comparison is disrespectful and dumb. And I have a feeling no-one will call out her character for being an insufferable idiot.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

[biganimefan]

I don't see myself going to see this in theaters (assuming I see it at all). I guess the only movie I'll likely be seeing in theaters this year is TMNT.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Its hard to interpret that line other way, really:
- I fought Nazis.
- But you did bad things too!

As Andrew said, in current climate (and even without it) it is hard to see this line as "witty banter". Given that Indy saved quite a lot of people few times such comparison is disrespectful and dumb. And I have a feeling no-one will call out her character for being an insufferable idiot.

yep. if a person can't figure out why tearing down our classic heroe's is bad too prop up new ones, I can't help you.

It's like April ONeil being a ninja student and telling leonardo 'you suck, too!'. disrespectful at the least, patronizing at the worst.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

It's typical 'woman always better than a man, cause even if a man mostly does good things, he still need to be knocked down a peg or two cause reasons' nonsense.

[Barkworm]

Eh. You guys are overthinking this.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Eh. You guys are overthinking this.

I sincerely hope so.

[IMJ]

Just bought the tickets to tonight's show for this one. I have seen and remember seeing every Indiana Jones movie in the theater since I was a kid. I hope this movie is great. I really want this movie to be great....

My best guess? The first 30 minutes with young Indy will be worth the price of the whole movie. I can't help but get excited about Indiana Jones - I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan....



I write about some of that experience as a kid in the introduction here too.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Just bought the tickets to tonight's show for this one. I have seen and remember seeing every Indiana Jones movie in the theater since I was a kid. I hope this movie is great. I really want this movie to be great....

My best guess? The first 30 minutes with young Indy will be worth the price of the whole movie. I can't help but get excited about Indiana Jones - I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan....



I write about some of that experience as a kid in the introduction here too.

Ah, nostalgia in combination with the excitement for something new is such a wonderful feeling - if you don‘t get disappointed. I sincerely wish you a fantastic experience.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not seeing a big consensus on social media. Half the people are saying, "Well, it's at least a little better than Crystal Skull" and the other half are saying, "Crystal Skull was a better ending than this, at least." With almost all of both sides pointing to Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the root cause of the movie's problems, largely in emasculating and undermining Indy or otherwise just eating up time that would be better spent on Indy alone.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

What's to interpret here? It's just "Don't get too full of yourself, you're no angel." And he never was, that's why Indiana Jones is a great character.

looking at this and thinking it out is why people find these new characters so unlikable.

"I fought the Nazi's!" and saved an untold number of lives has he stopped them from weaponizing massive ancient mystical weapons.

"You stole from indigenous people!" from places long since abandoned or from murderous cults to preserve their historical value. I don't recall him ever trying to steal from a group of people actively using these items for worship except for after they tried to kill him. Whenever he took something, "it belongs in a museum". You could make that argument that it belongs in a museum in the country it was taken from...but his treasure was another long gone societies trash.

Her context is stupid.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Ah, nostalgia in combination with the excitement for something new is such a wonderful feeling - if you don‘t get disappointed. I sincerely wish you a fantastic experience.

Yeeeesssss man. Exactly. Legit, honest fandom. Well said and thanks.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

both sides pointing to Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the root cause of the movie's problems, largely in emasculating and undermining Indy or otherwise just eating up time that would be better spent on Indy alone.

It's not entirely as bad as the YouTubers have framed it. Actually a lot of it is simply embedded in her character and it's not quite the assault on the main hero that they would have you believe. Indy acquits himself from her nonsense and often rises to the top. The scenes were she helps him aren't so outside the realm of past movies and when it is it's more like Blade Runner 2049 moments and that Indy is literally an old-@$$ man. However, the movie is a story-mess, and it's so long that there is almost no clear line between the first, second and final acts of the movie - you often actually don't know where you are with it.

And they dropped the ball in the end. Badly. Very badly. Here is the thing - Indy is played as a man out of time in this movie and in many ways it fits, given 1969. But they had a real chance here for the character's journey to be "the man out of time" who develops and eventually shows that he still has relevance and wisdom at the end. But they don't. They simply go the "crushed old man" route. And it's bad.

You're going to get two complainers of this movie - the people who are so distraught with Disney that they will pile on and strawman the movie. The second are the more intellectual complaints. There is no reason to go the first route when the second is so clear.

The prologue is awesome. The CGi isn't nearly as good as Ford has said it is in interviews, but it is the best de-aging that we've had on screen. But there are definitely a few ragdoll moments, punctuated by others that honestly look like they filmed Indy 30 years ago. I think people often confuse "the best" with "perfect" and unfortunately the current "best" is really good but not even remotely without CGi ragdolling. But the end of the movie? Bad, bad ball drop. The epilogue is good to an extent, but I'm not talking about the epilogue. The end of the movie is literally seeing our great hero a simpering old man presented with a very hollow argument about how he is "needed" but it's very empty and there are no connections to the story with it. And the final action that "brings him back?" OMG.