Israel–Palestine Conflict

[FredWolfLeonardo]

What are some good places to see video updates on the conflict? The "Eye on Palestine" channel on Telegram I've found useful but I'm sure there are many other sources too.

https://t.me/eyeonpal

[Andrew NDB]

They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.

There IS no Israel aggression. Only tit for tat responses, wirh Hamas hiding -- proudly, and outspokenly -- behind civilian targets after they attack. Continiously. Because they hate Jews in Israel. And honestly Israel has been pretty conservative in their responses thus far.

And please tell me what I am missing in these videos. These are visibly people bloodily raping and shooting women and little kids. This is OK? This is just morally OK? What is Israeli Jews doing remotely like this? My god, man.

[Drose18]

Everything Andrew has said is spot on

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There IS no Israel aggression. Only tit for tat responses, wirh Hamas hiding -- proudly, and outspokenly -- behind civilian targets after they attack. Continiously. Because they hate Jews in Israel. And honestly Israel has been pretty conservative in their responses thus far.

And please tell me what I am missing in these videos. These are visibly people bloodily raping and shooting women and little kids. This is OK? This is just morally OK? What is Israeli Jews doing remotely like this? My god, man.

Yeah, I said nowhere it's okay.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Drose18

Everything Andrew has said is spot on

Bingo. I'm not religious. I've got no dog in this 'holy war' ****. What I DO have, is treating people like people. and so far, everything palestine has done, is show how in human they really are. and the only response to that is too squash them.

harsh, but that's the only way some people learn.

i'm shocked every building in gaza hasn't been leveled by now.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I just want to add that the Gaza conflict is much more complicated than some people here try to frame it and Israel‘s part in it is not simply „being attacked for existing“. Israel‘s been violating human rights for decades while at the same time constantly playing the anti-semitism card whenever they are criticized.

Yeah, sure, mate they are "not being attacked for existing" by lunatic feral bitches who want to kill every single one of them for....existing.

If anything, Israel showed amazing restraint in regards to those terrorist freaks. Less scrumptious countries would have wiped Palestine twenty times over and called it a day. Yet, Israel was trying to do its best to co-exists with those monsters. Well, guess what happens, when you placate lunatics? They still are trying to kill you, that's what.

So, all those yapping about "Israel oppress poor brown people" are just retarded and effectively plays in the hands of the terrorists and their lunatic supporters, legitimizing them and their claims.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

This and this. Both sides have fed into the conflict by their treatment of the other side for decades. It's almost as if the best bet would be to literally NO ONE has Jerusalem, it's emptied, cleared.

As expected from resident "totally not lefty (except for all of his rhetoric)".
*yawn*

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So it's morally equivalent? You equate droves of Hamas people -- on video, it's readily available right now, go and see, hundreds of videos -- going through Israel killing in rapid fire fashion Jews and raping Jews until they bleed and then killing them and their children and grandmothers to whatever conditions may exist for 20% of the population in Israel, to laughter and chanting? That, from what I can measure, seems like a pretty OK life for them beyond them just fundamentally wanting no Jews in Israel. You're saying that's about the same? Jesus, man. This is a really sick place from which to stand. The curtain has come up. There is literally NO defense here whatsoever.

Your college professor is objectively WRONG.

Don't expect any logic and reasoning from the left. They are as morally bankrupt just as they are cruel and hypocritical.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

There‘s a 100+ report by Amnesty international on Israel‘s oppression of Palestinians.

>Palestinians shot 5000+ missiles at Israel and send group to literally genocide everything that moves in their way;
>Israel responds with an army as any state should;
> smort liberals Mayhem and Barkworm: "Israel is aggressor, m'k!"

Spoiler:

Portrait of a generic Western liberal.

[TurtleManiac]

U.S. Congress introduces $2 Billion Dollar bipartisan bill for aid to Israel

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/u...-104323645/amp

[Vegita-San]

and people wonder why inflation keeps going up.

someone needs to tighten the purse strings

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Sumac

>Palestinians shot 5000+ missiles at Israel and send group to literally genocide everything that moves in their way;
>Israel responds with an army as any state should;
> smort liberals Mayhem and Barkworm: "Israel is aggressor, m'k!"

Spoiler:

https://i.imgur.com/VD09afj.jpeg

Portrait of a generic Western liberal.

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

I enjoy talking to him too, it always leaves me giggling.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

I guess you approve of beheading babies?

or would you care to explain that one away?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.

[Mayhem]

At no point was I condoning the attack Hamas has just carried out. Just noting that Israel has a huge amount of responsibility and blood on its hands over the decades for their treatment of the other non Jewish people living in the same region. They are not blameless in the same way as those terrorist (aka freedom fighters from whatever perspective the locals possibly see) organisations committing atrocities against Jewish people.

Israel enacting forced evictions to reclaim land is just the tip of a huge iceberg.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/...n-territories/

Which is why I said the only way the whole thing might be solved is to literally have no one live there, no claim to Jerusalem, separate out all factions in the same way there’s the 38th Parallel, but let’s make it a bunch bigger.

Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers. The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank. Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

At no point was I condoning the attack Hamas has just carried out. Just noting that Israel has a huge amount of responsibility and blood on its hands over the decades for their treatment of the other non Jewish people living in the same region. They are not blameless in the same way as those terrorist (aka freedom fighters from whatever perspective the locals possibly see) organisations committing atrocities against Jewish people.

Israel was not the one who started it. The state has been hounded for years by "oppressed brown people of the most peaceful religion" hellbent on genocide.

Yes, Israel methods are not always delicate and brought about a lot of collateral and I wish it didn't come to that. But considering Palestine terrorists love to hide behind the backs of civilians (literally) and generally do not discriminate who they attack and how much damage they do to themselves...sadly it is inevitable.

More than that Palestine and its terrorist overlords were given more than enough opportunities to have peaceful life for their state, but they had blew each and every of those. So, calling Israel "aggressor" is a hilarious misnomer.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

They chose the worst-possible way to respond to Israel‘s aggression.

You are not only insane, but also can't read.
As expected from followers of fairy tales.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

As usual, a pleasure talking to you.

As usual, if you can't take criticism, than either don't say stupid things or take a punch like man.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I enjoy talking to him too, it always leaves me giggling.

What is there to expect from a delusional caveman? Self-reflection?

[Sumac]

Double post.
Sorry.

[Mayhem]

Please point out where in my post did I call Israel an aggressor. Go on, I’ll wait…

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Barkworm literally said he doesn't approve of the attack in this very thread.

I must have missed that. but at least he's not too far gone.

The point, is that you can't reason with people like that. and ALOT of Palestinians seem to think this is OK behavior. That is a war that will only be won by wiping out one side.

[Vegita-San]

and yes, I agree that isreal probably has it's share of dirty deeds in this. but when you live next to the likes of them, it's hard not to become like them.
would be nice if this 'holyland' nonsense didn't shield them from the same criticism.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

The point, is that you can't reason with people like that. and ALOT of Palestinians seem to think this is OK behavior. That is a war that will only be won by wiping out one side.

The Palestinian Sources I follow which showcase video footage taken by civilians and Hamas fighters alike do not show or mention wholesale extermination.

There is alot of sayings like "40 beheaded babies" and "Hamas gang rapes" but until I see the videos myself, then I suspect its atrocity propaganda just like what was employed against Germany during World War 1.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

The Palestinian Sources I follow which showcase video footage taken by civilians and Hamas fighters alike do not show or mention wholesale extermination.

There is alot of sayings like "40 beheaded babies" and "Hamas gang rapes" but until I see the videos myself, then I suspect its atrocity propaganda just like what was employed against Germany during World War 1.

Wtf are you talking about? Hamas THEMSELVES are posting the videos!