Would you have liked the Next Mutation if Venus hadn't been? - Page 5

*Coola Yagami* · 07-21-2004, 10:04 PM

From the episode summaries and stuff I read, Shredder was a jobber. A jobber is some guy that has fame of being tough that goes down easy to make some new guy look good. Killer Croc jobbed to make Bane look good. Juggernaut jobbed to Gladiator to make him look good. Freeza jobbed to Trunks to make him look good as well as make the upcoming Androids seems more threatening. And from what I read, Shredder jobbed to make Venus look good.

The thing about him yelling at his foot soldiers is due to them not being able to have Bebop and Rocksteady in the show, so they made his foot soldiers into idiots instead. The lines about the turtle with the flower and the rat with the stick sounded very stupid though as Shredder should damn know by now that the TMNT use ninja weapons and stuff, especially since the first eps look like a 'finally defeated shredder after all this time' kinda deal.

Ryan · 07-21-2004, 10:18 PM

I extremly biased when it comes to the Turtles... Regardless of what some people think of the Next Mutation, I love it. I can not blame the creators for adding Venus, she helped reach a new audience... girls. icky, icky, girls.

Ryan

*DrSpengler* · 07-21-2004, 10:26 PM

What I want to know is what everyone thought of the customized "Bandanas"? I don't remember too well, but didn't Leo have the traditional bandana, Raph had the "gangsta" bandana, Don had like a ski-mask thing goin' on and Mike had something else?

I dunno. IMO, it looked kind of stupid. I guess it was just another way to make each turtle more of an individual.

Shreddette · 07-21-2004, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

What I want to know is what everyone thought of the customized "Bandanas"? I don't remember too well, but didn't Leo have the traditional bandana, Raph had the "gangsta" bandana, Don had like a ski-mask thing goin' on and Mike had something else?

I dunno. IMO, it looked kind of stupid. I guess it was just another way to make each turtle more of an individual.

Ha, yea they totally tried to give each bandana a personality accent to the characters and it didn't really work, in my eyes.
Of course I am biased.

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my baby
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down.

*Kazari* · 07-21-2004, 10:40 PM

i think the different bandanas were really lame. their personality make them individuals not their bandanas *smacks the writers*

**GK Punk** · 07-22-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

It sometimes DOES occur that IPs can differ if they use a different e-mail account...

Not pointing fingers, I've been banned from certain forums before and I was able to get back simply by switching to another e-mail account

Well, Having a different ISP Is one thing, but Jarrah is from Australia, and has an Australian ISP. MC is from Ireland, and has an Ireland ISP, that points specifically to Dublin. I seriously doubt it's the same person. I checked

Don Vito is the Uncle of a Pro Skater named Bam Margera. He's kind of an idiot, and that's the joke of my sig

07-22-2004, 12:55 AM

I just have to say, I love your avatar, Grunger Kittie! Very beautiful.
I also like the "a.k.a. Random Hero" under your name. That's cute and clever.

*That Matt Guy* · 07-22-2004, 03:21 AM

So... Dublin, huh?

*Spitfire* · 07-22-2004, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Grunger Kittie

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

It sometimes DOES occur that IPs can differ if they use a different e-mail account...

Not pointing fingers, I've been banned from certain forums before and I was able to get back simply by switching to another e-mail account

Well, Having a different ISP Is one thing, but Jarrah is from Australia, and has an Australian ISP. MC is from Ireland, and has an Ireland ISP, that points specifically to Dublin. I seriously doubt it's the same person. I checked

Don Vito is the Uncle of a Pro Skater named Bam Margera. He's kind of an idiot, and that's the joke of my sig

Thank you for actually looking Im glad some mod tookt he time to check into it

*Zachatello00* · 07-22-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

The Next Mutation followed the movie timeline, right?

I wondered about this too, and since opinions are so diverse on the subject, I went straight to the source and emailed Dan Berger, he said thus:

Howdy Zach,

> Several fellow TMNT fans and I were curious as to whether or not the
> Next Mutation was supposed to have followed the movie story line. I
> thought that it was, given that the subway set was used and the
> remarks Shredder made about Splinter's ear being sliced, but was just
> curious on what was official on that.

The effort was made to use elements from past TMNT projects to give the
show a sense of history amidst all the new developments.

Thanks for writing!

Cheers!
Dan Berger
Mirage Studios' Official Web Dude
http://www.ninjaturtles.com

~~[email protected]~~ · 07-22-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

The Next Mutation followed the movie timeline, right?

I watched it maybe twice back in the day, and I rememebr them living in the same abandoned subway station from the second and third movie. That and the fact the show was live action and all.

I never got to see any of the Shredder episodes. The Shredder, in any form, is always worth watching. Plus it's good to see he survived the peir falling on him. C'mon, that wouldn't kill anyone, especially not a mutagen-enhanced Super Shredder.

But then I was reading the ep reviews at the official site and read that he turns good? And becomes a hobo or something? Weak.

Oh, and if Venus was at least hot and had a personality I might not have deemed her crap after only 2 episodes.

I could not see how shredder did not survive the peir collapsing. Maybe that caused him to just loose his enhenced powers (being super shredder) and recouperate during the turtles 3 time and have to get new armor, the armor that he is wearing in Next mutation. So maybe the next mutation did take place years after the movies. I could not understand why no april or casey. maybe they got married and moved away. MAybe that was why they were not in the show. And maybe when shredder rebuilt the foot after being crushed by the peir, tatsu, thinking shredder did perish, moved on to japan, maybe thats why no tatsu.

Shredder becomes a hobo in the enemy of my enemy, that ep that aired May 14, 1998, because his foot clan was destroyed in east meets west part 2 by the turtles and he looses his armor due to venus telling him who he is. Shredder did not exactly turn good, splinter brought shredder (now just oroko saki) to the lair, and shredder agreed to help them clean up, and he was after the golden shrulikin or something like that and saved splinter from dragonlord but stole the golden shrulkin from splinter in the end and was unlocking its powers in the end while giving an evil laugh. They never showed what happened to that.

One said one ep did not feature venus. Which one? A lot of my friends at summer camp thought the show was bad and one even called it that short lived series.

*DrSpengler* · 07-22-2004, 01:29 PM

Zachatello00, thanks. I guess that answers that.

And yeah, there's a million different explainations we could come up with to figure out what happened between TMNT 2 and Next Mutation. Personally, I think the show might've been better had Shredder stuck around longer.

~~[email protected]~~ · 07-22-2004, 02:35 PM

I agree that shredder should have stayed longer, but it would have been better if he had better acting. The next mutation shredder was just awful, in terms of acting and his looks. I thought the next mutation series was in between medium and poor and venus acted stupid, like hot cold? or home is in the toilet? and her magic messing up.

Zelda · 07-22-2004, 05:40 PM

I didn't like the bandana thing. It potentially could have been pulled off...but it just didn't work. Besides, there are way too many other ways that the guys can show they have different personalities and I think the colors alone are a good enough seperation between the bandanas.

I also remember there being a lot of slapstick just dumb jokes... bad guys running into each other over and over again and not realising what they were doing or whatever. And I can't stand slapstick XD unless it's done uniquely.

*KROW* · 07-22-2004, 08:00 PM

I think the idea of Venus is the same as Shredder being an Utrom. Both make the stories interesting and both are ridiculous, respectively.

*DrSpengler* · 07-22-2004, 08:33 PM

As far as acting and writing is concerned this IS Saban, the people who brought you Power Rangers, Big Bad Beetleborgs and VR Troopers. Did anyone really expect A-quality material and casting for this show?

To be honest, the only way this show could've turned out good is if anyone BUT Saban had handled it.

*Zachatello00* · 07-22-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KROW

I think the idea of Venus is the same as Shredder being an Utrom.

Maybe Venus was an Utrom

*KROW* · 07-22-2004, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

As far as acting and writing is concerned this IS Saban, the people who brought you Power Rangers, Big Bad Beetleborgs and VR Troopers. Did anyone really expect A-quality material and casting for this show?

To be honest, the only way this show could've turned out good is if anyone BUT Saban had handled it.

Exactly.

And that was funny as hell, Zachatello!

*Zachatello00* · 07-22-2004, 11:46 PM

Your too kind my friend, too kind.

*That Matt Guy* · 07-25-2004, 05:47 AM

That's right he's too kind. Can you please lower it down a little bit? Right now you are at a 9, we need you at about a 3.

07-21-2004, 10:18 PM	#82
Ryan Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Bend Posts: 113	I extremly biased when it comes to the Turtles... Regardless of what some people think of the Next Mutation, I love it. I can not blame the creators for adding Venus, she helped reach a new audience... girls. icky, icky, girls. Ryan __________________ I heart Turtles. Wakka Wakka Wakka!

07-21-2004, 10:40 PM	#85
Kazari Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nexus: Chasing after the Ultimate Ninja Posts: 2,731	i think the different bandanas were really lame. their personality make them individuals not their bandanas smacks the writers __________________ is an official Drako hater

07-22-2004, 05:40 PM	#94
Zelda Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 364	I didn't like the bandana thing. It potentially could have been pulled off...but it just didn't work. Besides, there are way too many other ways that the guys can show they have different personalities and I think the colors alone are a good enough seperation between the bandanas. I also remember there being a lot of slapstick just dumb jokes... bad guys running into each other over and over again and not realising what they were doing or whatever. And I can't stand slapstick XD unless it's done uniquely. __________________ ~Zelda~ Author of Judgment: Volume I http://www.myspace.com/zellieberraine Inspired by what I love best about TMNT: character dynamics, superheroes that aren't of the Superman variety, genetics, etc

07-22-2004, 08:00 PM	#95
KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	I think the idea of Venus is the same as Shredder being an Utrom. Both make the stories interesting and both are ridiculous, respectively. __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

07-22-2004, 11:46 PM	#99
Zachatello00 On the beat! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hiding behind the phone booth Posts: 2,137	Your too kind my friend, too kind. __________________ "You're still news!"

07-21-2004, 10:04 PM	#81
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	From the episode summaries and stuff I read, Shredder was a jobber. A jobber is some guy that has fame of being tough that goes down easy to make some new guy look good. Killer Croc jobbed to make Bane look good. Juggernaut jobbed to Gladiator to make him look good. Freeza jobbed to Trunks to make him look good as well as make the upcoming Androids seems more threatening. And from what I read, Shredder jobbed to make Venus look good. The thing about him yelling at his foot soldiers is due to them not being able to have Bebop and Rocksteady in the show, so they made his foot soldiers into idiots instead. The lines about the turtle with the flower and the rat with the stick sounded very stupid though as Shredder should damn know by now that the TMNT use ninja weapons and stuff, especially since the first eps look like a 'finally defeated shredder after all this time' kinda deal.

07-21-2004, 10:26 PM	#83
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	What I want to know is what everyone thought of the customized "Bandanas"? I don't remember too well, but didn't Leo have the traditional bandana, Raph had the "gangsta" bandana, Don had like a ski-mask thing goin' on and Mike had something else? I dunno. IMO, it looked kind of stupid. I guess it was just another way to make each turtle more of an individual.

07-22-2004, 12:55 AM	#87
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	I just have to say, I love your avatar, Grunger Kittie! Very beautiful. I also like the "a.k.a. Random Hero" under your name. That's cute and clever.

07-22-2004, 03:21 AM	#88
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	So... Dublin, huh?

07-22-2004, 01:29 PM	#92
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Zachatello00, thanks. I guess that answers that. And yeah, there's a million different explainations we could come up with to figure out what happened between TMNT 2 and Next Mutation. Personally, I think the show might've been better had Shredder stuck around longer.

07-22-2004, 02:35 PM	#93
~~[email protected]~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plymouth NH Posts: 637	I agree that shredder should have stayed longer, but it would have been better if he had better acting. The next mutation shredder was just awful, in terms of acting and his looks. I thought the next mutation series was in between medium and poor and venus acted stupid, like hot cold? or home is in the toilet? and her magic messing up.

07-22-2004, 08:33 PM	#96
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	As far as acting and writing is concerned this IS Saban, the people who brought you Power Rangers, Big Bad Beetleborgs and VR Troopers. Did anyone really expect A-quality material and casting for this show? To be honest, the only way this show could've turned out good is if anyone BUT Saban had handled it.

07-25-2004, 05:47 AM	#100
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	That's right he's too kind. Can you please lower it down a little bit? Right now you are at a 9, we need you at about a 3.