Would you have liked the Next Mutation if Venus hadn't been?

MC · 07-19-2004, 07:11 PM

Most people list Venus as the reason they hate TNM. I personally didn't mind Venus' character. Not to say I loved it,but still. I disliked the stupid scripts, bad acting, etc. What about others?

Mondo J. Gecko · 07-19-2004, 07:14 PM

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Wow... thats an interesting question... its a tough question to answer too... I always have hated venus, I blame her for the Turtles downfall (her and the third movie) ... I think I still wouldn't have liked TNM, even if Venus wasn't in it... but you never know... it would have been a whole different show without venus in it.... hmmm, good question!
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*KROW* · 07-19-2004, 07:23 PM

Nah, I didn't think it mattered. I thought Venus was a cool concept.

TheRATKING · 07-19-2004, 08:32 PM

venus was a big problem but i dont think it would have been that much better

*Kazari* · 07-19-2004, 08:46 PM

I dunno about that either. I REALLY could not stand NM Leo or Mikey. I thought Don was pretty cute in NM and I didn't mind Raph. But YES Venus was annoying! I think I may have tried to watch the show more if she wasn't in the show but I really think they should have made Leo more like himself and toned Mikey down some too!

*ZariusTwo* · 07-19-2004, 08:46 PM

Yeah, the general scripts were pathetic, even IF Venus had not been included, it would'nt have improved, it did'nt have to make use of Power Rangers style villains called Dragon Lord, but I suppose that is the reason Saban decided to use him.

TMNT is NOT Power Rangers, it was stupid to even try and pander the franchise to that audience, because it does'nt work, it had no direction, and it wasted too many episodes on that STUPID Vampire and even more pathetic clip shows.

kitsunepixie · 07-19-2004, 09:29 PM

I haven't seen NM, but how did they make Leo and Mikey act in it??

malignant · 07-19-2004, 09:32 PM

Yep. Although Venus is the worst idea ever involved in the history of TMNT....

NM sucked as a whole. Her not being there wouldnt have made it any better i don't think. Ok, a little...

*Spitfire* · 07-19-2004, 09:47 PM

Venus helped me hate it. Bad costumes, lame concepts, horrible villians, bad plot(Shredder just comes back to life wtf???) and worst of all they teamed up with the power rangers

*ZariusTwo* · 07-19-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Venus helped me hate it. Bad costumes, lame concepts, horrible villians, bad plot(Shredder just comes back to life wtf???) and worst of all they teamed up with the power rangers

The other around for me, being one of the few Power Rangers fans here I was insulted the NEXT MUTATION TURLTES teamed up with them

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 07-19-2004, 10:02 PM

I didn't like Venus, but I still would have hated the show without her.
At least NM was better than Old-toon seasons 9-10, but not by much.

07-19-2004, 10:23 PM

Well... In the begining I was glad that the TMNT was back on T.V. though I didn't like their pro-wrestler appearance. I never had anything against Venus, but she never really interested me either. I eventualy lost interest in the series at the end of the first season. There was a couple of reasons why I lost interest, but I don't think that Venus was one of the reasons. It was simply too fake and theatrical looking; kinda like watching a bunch of cosplayers on stage do some kind of dull, irritating skit that they put together in 15 minutes.

Ya know, writing this kinda makes me miss Jarrah. He's a cool guy, just a little eccentric.

malignant · 07-19-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryo

Well... In the begining I was glad that the TMNT was back on T.V. though I didn't like their pro-wrestler appearance.

Hey !...don't diss Pro wrestlers like that...

*KROW* · 07-19-2004, 10:41 PM

Yeah! Pro wrestlers are much more real and...

...Did I just say "real"?

JaffleMan · 07-19-2004, 10:48 PM

Venus could have worked as a non-main character (at most 2 episodes for how long the series ran for) but as a main character she helped destroy TNM. Even without her I think TNM would have failed but at least the toyline would have been all right. I mean TNM figures were pretty cool but on display you have to have all 5 turtles there to have it complete and venus just ruins the whole show.

*Kazari* · 07-19-2004, 11:13 PM

Well Leo was like almost as bad as Mikey! Just sometimes he reminded me of a really bad Mike Myers Turtle! LOL Mike was a teenager but a VERY annoying teenager! Don was actually pretty funny! He was crossed between old school Don and movie Don! Raph still had the bad attitude!

Yeah I wanted the TMNT to kick the PR's butts not TEAM up with them and the whole idea of making them turn evil was really lame! Course MIkey comes on to all the PR girls!

**Barkworm** · 07-20-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MC

Most people list Venus as the reason they hate TNM. I personally didn't mind Venus' character. Not to say I loved it,but still. I disliked the stupid scripts, bad acting, etc. What about others?

Jarrah, is that you again?

Mike Bock · 07-20-2004, 01:14 AM

Nah,I don't think Venus had all the fault but yeah I hate her.

The show was simply stupid, that show is a TMNT good memories destroyer. Very goofy.

Shreddette · 07-20-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bock

Nah,I don't think Venus had all the fault but yeah I hate her.

The show was simply stupid, that show is a TMNT good memories destroyer. Very goofy.

Yah... I hated the very commercials for it. I think I may have watched but 5 minutes of it before I became disgusted. It was too ridiculous and seemed to be making fun of itself too much. I mean there's nothing wrong with making fun of itself but the way they did it was just terrible. Venus is a slap in the face to turtle fans.

I don't know how I'd feel if she wasn't in it. The first movie was the only good one of any of them so after that I was always more and more disappointed that they didn't pick up the slack and make a better damn movie than the last. You'd think they'd learn.

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Originally Posted by Ryo

Well... In the begining I was glad that the TMNT was back on T.V. though I didn't like their pro-wrestler appearance.

Wha? What about them was pro-wrestlerish?

We need screenshots. SCREENSHOTS!!!

Crap, I'm starting to think about Kurt Angle in his unitard for some reason. AAAGH!!! Make it stop!

**Kali** · 07-20-2004, 01:00 PM

If taking Venus out was the only thing they changed, meaning they kept the costumes, writers, director, sound effects people, etc. I don't think it would have been any more popular. The stories would be quite different, of course, Shredder would probably be the main villain. But there were bigger problems than a poorly written and forced character.

I for one like TNM, but I honestly don't think I would have liked it as much if it didn't involve Venus and mysticism. But that's just me.

07-19-2004, 07:11 PM	#1
MC Thug Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 94	Would you have liked the Next Mutation if Venus hadn't been? Most people list Venus as the reason they hate TNM. I personally didn't mind Venus' character. Not to say I loved it,but still. I disliked the stupid scripts, bad acting, etc. What about others?

07-19-2004, 07:14 PM	#2
Mondo J. Gecko Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,064	... Wow... thats an interesting question... its a tough question to answer too... I always have hated venus, I blame her for the Turtles downfall (her and the third movie) ... I think I still wouldn't have liked TNM, even if Venus wasn't in it... but you never know... it would have been a whole different show without venus in it.... hmmm, good question! ... __________________

07-19-2004, 07:23 PM	#3
KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	Nah, I didn't think it mattered. I thought Venus was a cool concept. __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

07-19-2004, 08:32 PM	#4
TheRATKING Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 679	venus was a big problem but i dont think it would have been that much better __________________ "The riddle is yours... that which can sustain you is within your reach... but not yet within your grasp" R.K. issue 55 vol. 1

07-19-2004, 08:46 PM	#5
Kazari Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nexus: Chasing after the Ultimate Ninja Posts: 2,731	I dunno about that either. I REALLY could not stand NM Leo or Mikey. I thought Don was pretty cute in NM and I didn't mind Raph. But YES Venus was annoying! I think I may have tried to watch the show more if she wasn't in the show but I really think they should have made Leo more like himself and toned Mikey down some too! __________________ is an official Drako hater

07-19-2004, 08:46 PM	#6
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,479	Yeah, the general scripts were pathetic, even IF Venus had not been included, it would'nt have improved, it did'nt have to make use of Power Rangers style villains called Dragon Lord, but I suppose that is the reason Saban decided to use him. TMNT is NOT Power Rangers, it was stupid to even try and pander the franchise to that audience, because it does'nt work, it had no direction, and it wasted too many episodes on that STUPID Vampire and even more pathetic clip shows. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

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kitsunepixie Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hoosierland Posts: 125	I haven't seen NM, but how did they make Leo and Mikey act in it?? __________________ "Are you for good, or for awesome?" - Strong Bad "Do you deny me fresh-maker!?" - Happy Noodle Boy Vote Leonardo for President 2004

07-19-2004, 09:32 PM	#8
malignant Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 383	Yep. Although Venus is the worst idea ever involved in the history of TMNT.... NM sucked as a whole. Her not being there wouldnt have made it any better i don't think. Ok, a little... __________________ Currently Playing - went back to playing Prince of Persia SOT (Xbox) Mario Kart (DS) Shredder

07-19-2004, 09:47 PM	#9
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07-19-2004, 10:02 PM	#11
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I didn't like Venus, but I still would have hated the show without her. At least NM was better than Old-toon seasons 9-10, but not by much. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

07-19-2004, 10:23 PM	#12
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Well... In the begining I was glad that the TMNT was back on T.V. though I didn't like their pro-wrestler appearance. I never had anything against Venus, but she never really interested me either. I eventualy lost interest in the series at the end of the first season. There was a couple of reasons why I lost interest, but I don't think that Venus was one of the reasons. It was simply too fake and theatrical looking; kinda like watching a bunch of cosplayers on stage do some kind of dull, irritating skit that they put together in 15 minutes. Ya know, writing this kinda makes me miss Jarrah. He's a cool guy, just a little eccentric.

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KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	Yeah! Pro wrestlers are much more real and... ...Did I just say "real"? __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

07-19-2004, 10:48 PM	#15
JaffleMan Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Portarlington, Vic Australia Posts: 761	Venus could have worked as a non-main character (at most 2 episodes for how long the series ran for) but as a main character she helped destroy TNM. Even without her I think TNM would have failed but at least the toyline would have been all right. I mean TNM figures were pretty cool but on display you have to have all 5 turtles there to have it complete and venus just ruins the whole show. __________________

07-19-2004, 11:13 PM	#16
Kazari Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nexus: Chasing after the Ultimate Ninja Posts: 2,731	Well Leo was like almost as bad as Mikey! Just sometimes he reminded me of a really bad Mike Myers Turtle! LOL Mike was a teenager but a VERY annoying teenager! Don was actually pretty funny! He was crossed between old school Don and movie Don! Raph still had the bad attitude! Yeah I wanted the TMNT to kick the PR's butts not TEAM up with them and the whole idea of making them turn evil was really lame! Course MIkey comes on to all the PR girls! __________________ is an official Drako hater

07-20-2004, 01:14 AM	#18
Mike Bock Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 366	Nah,I don't think Venus had all the fault but yeah I hate her. The show was simply stupid, that show is a TMNT good memories destroyer. Very goofy. __________________ http://mikebock.deviantart.com/gallery/

07-20-2004, 01:00 PM	#20
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	If taking Venus out was the only thing they changed, meaning they kept the costumes, writers, director, sound effects people, etc. I don't think it would have been any more popular. The stories would be quite different, of course, Shredder would probably be the main villain. But there were bigger problems than a poorly written and forced character. I for one like TNM, but I honestly don't think I would have liked it as much if it didn't involve Venus and mysticism. But that's just me.