When fans think the original TMNT Show "Jumped the Shark."

[Sage Ninja]

oy vey, people

My personal pet peeve is when people bash one form of the TMNT just to evelate another form of it. I'm tired of hearing people say, that that 1987 cartoon pimped the turtles out and made them into silly shadows of what they where. Or that the old toon cheated its fans by not portraying them in there true presentations of their characters (i.e: Raphael's violent tendacies).

I've said this many times before, the old toon had restrictions on it that the newer doesn't have. Do you really think the old toon could have gotten away with Leonardo decapitating some one, like Leonardo did in the new toon?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

Zarius, I wan't to apologize to you. I finally see where your'e coming from. Both versions of TMNT can be considered the definitive versions because they both have done something to help get the TMNT some recognitition.

While I still think the new toon better represents(and I would still like to debate you on that). I can see theres nothing really wrong with saying the old toon was the definative, because it kinda is in a certant way.

Exactly. The Mirage TMNT is the bases for the old toon (Even if that was only to say that there were 4 turtles and a rat master, Shredder was evil and April was their friend) and the old toon made the Miarge comics easy to swallow for little kids, which in turn, when they grew up, would lead them to more "adult" TMNT. I love the old toon cause it did juist that for me, and thought I don't read the Mirage comics regulary (I can't find a shop in the area that carries them.) I have enjoied what I've read, and seen in the new series.

[ZariusTwo]

I was reading original MIRAGE TMNT when I was nine, and still regarding the original series as defintive, even when I knew what came first

I'm not some emo who switches alligences to one version because its' the "original", I'd have not been a fan of Batman Beyond or Spider-Man 2099 had that been the case. Llets' stop before the thread is closed. Nobodies' going to convince anybody to stop considering what they think is "definitive", either respect the original series or post nothing else on the subject to those causing the unrest

[Jester]

I think that the Mirage and OT were both definiative. The Mirage comics defined the rturtles ability to be butt kicking ninjas, the original series defined (maybe) their individual characters (was Donnie a nerd in the Mirage comics pre-OT?) and of course the colored bandanas. The both helped define the TMNT and give us what we have. NT:TNM failed because it was to little like it's sourse stuff...yeah it tried (and failed) to be wacky, but it was wacky for wackiness sake and not smaet humor. It was also threw out several important characters and brought in some lame replacements (Give me April over Venus and Shredder over Dragon Lord any day!) The NT draws from both the original Mirage lore and the OT to make itself an equal balance of action and humor.

[Sage Ninja]

wow, I actually agree with you jester! you make some good points. What I liked about the original TMNT cartoon was that the turtles had such distinctive personalities and how, despite being almost identicle and having to work as a team, they where indivduals. And even though the setting was light and silly the turtles presence was in your face unique.

(was Donnie a nerd in the Mirage comics pre-OT?)

I'm not sure, I never considered Donatello to be a nerd in the classic toon, he was well valued and respected for his smarts in the classic toon by the other turtles, and I believe he was portrayed as gifted and brilliant in the mirage comics as well. I think out of all the turtles Donatello maintained the most accurate portrayal of his character from his turn over from comic to cartoon.

[Jester]

Yeah I love Donnie, and used "Nerd" as a term of endearment...sort of.... So the guys had distinct personalities in Mirage before the OT?