When fans think the original TMNT Show "Jumped the Shark."

TheShowstoppa · 03-22-2006, 01:40 AM

Being bored tonight, I went looking online to see what fun stuff I could find. I found a site on bored.com called Jump the Shark. For those of you who don't know, Jumping the Shark is defined as a TV show that has reached its peak and then steadily went downhill. I managed to find the ariticle for TMNT. Most of these are "fan votes" as to their opinion. I thought it would be an interesting read for you guys!

Link: http://www.jumptheshark.com/t/teenag...njaturtles.htm

Does anyone but me think that the last comment (I mean VERY last) is completely ignorant? He talks about Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady being in the comics and he owned 10 of them, and that the new shows aren't based on the comics... the DOUCHE was reading the ARCHIE comics and not the Mirage ORIGINALS. This guy's a moron and deserves to be kicked in the nuts.

**GK Punk** · 03-22-2006, 02:11 AM

Sadly, you will run in to that more often than not

*Masked Ninja* · 03-22-2006, 03:33 AM

It irritates me when people complain simply because it's not the old cartoon. Guys:
1) It's not the same cartoon, nor is it trying to be.
2) You can actually read the TMNT #1 online. Do it. Then tell me this show is ruining the concept.

I admit I was put off at first by the designs... and the first two episodes I saw were the Turtle Titan and Kirby episodes (I was a little weirded out) but further watching had me hooked. End of story. And the animation doesn't hurt your eyes.

What's wrong with liking both? *has both classic and new TMNT DVDs on shelf*

**GK Punk** · 03-22-2006, 03:44 AM

I like both as well. It kind of irritates me when people bash one in favor of the other.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-22-2006, 05:46 AM

frankly I'm just sick of the damn term "jump the shark" that in it's self is annoying...when I see it I go oh lord who's complaining now...

*Sewer Bull* · 03-22-2006, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Masked Ninja

And the animation doesn't hurt your eyes.

Actually, I really do prefer NS to OS in one aspect - there are far less goofs (especially in animation or coloring) in the new show than there used to be in the old one. NS is done with a greater care whereas OS sometimes looks rather slovenly-produced - there happen to be 4-5 major goofs per episode. But overall, I think I like them both equally.

And I don't appreciate jumptheshark.com much - this site is rather messy, comments are chaotic (I'd prefer a review written by one person) and it claims The Simpsons never jumped the shark (and I find this point of view rather disputable if you ask me)

*Deathknight* · 03-22-2006, 10:33 AM

Jeez, what an ignorant idiot. I agree about the animation errors in the old toon... they really did just happen too frequently. I still like the old show better though, I've actually stopped watching the new series though. Beginning of season 4 really just didn't hold my interest at all.

Leonardo_ · 03-22-2006, 11:08 AM

Ho, he repeats himself several times, so I didn't read all of it. But although how can someone beef about something that extremely?!

By the way...what does "jump the shark" mean??

*ZariusTwo* · 03-22-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo the 2nd

Ho, he repeats himself several times, so I didn't read all of it. But although how can someone beef about something that extremely?!

By the way...what does "jump the shark" mean??

It means when a series reaches the point where it can no longer sustain its' popularity, or when it makes a drastic change in format or character that causes the shows' popularity to plummet, its; name is depraved from the Happy Days episode in which Fonz, wearing his jacket, on water skies, jumps a shark. Although it still did well in the ratings long after, the shows' popularity, original sense of purpose, and sense of realism was gone and it became more and more outlandish.

Same thing nearly happened to M.A.S.H when they killed off Blake, but it changed its' format to a dark comedy war drama closer to the roots of the movie, and therfore saved its' shelf life.

And yeah, if we're getting into "new cartoon vs old cartoon" debate again...

The original in terms of originality and comedy totally rapes the new one, inconsistent animation or not, this is coming from someone who loves the current incarnation as much as the previous one.

As for those comments, I can understand the mainstream consensus not knowing as much as the purists do, so dont' call them "idiots" when they read an Archie publication and assume that was the end-all, be-all, as to me, the original is always going to be that anyway, as it will to a lot of people.

Leonardo_ · 03-22-2006, 11:19 AM

Ah, now I got it. Thanks, ZariusTwo

*Sage Ninja* · 03-23-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

It means when a series reaches the point where it can no longer sustain its' popularity, or when it makes a drastic change in format or character that causes the shows' popularity to plummet, its; name is depraved from the Happy Days episode in which Fonz, wearing his jacket, on water skies, jumps a shark. Although it still did well in the ratings long after, the shows' popularity, original sense of purpose, and sense of realism was gone and it became more and more outlandish.

Same thing nearly happened to M.A.S.H when they killed off Blake, but it changed its' format to a dark comedy war drama closer to the roots of the movie, and therfore saved its' shelf life.

And yeah, if we're getting into "new cartoon vs old cartoon" debate again...

The original in terms of originality and comedy totally rapes the new one, inconsistent animation or not, this is coming from someone who loves the current incarnation as much as the previous one.

As for those comments, I can understand the mainstream consensus not knowing as much as the purists do, so dont' call them "idiots" when they read an Archie publication and assume that was the end-all, be-all, as to me, the original is always going to be that anyway, as it will to a lot of people.

OMG ZariusTwo, you rock

Any way I thought this thread was supposed to discuss when the "orginal" TMNT cartoon jumped, not a NT vs. OT thread

I don't get why it went in that direction at all after the first poster

Any way for me I think the classic TMNT toon jumped when they broke into the Red Sky arc of the story. Not that all its concepts where bad or anything I just didn't like the abrumptness of the change. And I didn't like how all the "fun" and "humour" that gave the show its flavor was removed. Quite frankly i thought the story was boring at that point; except for season eight, I actually liked that season.

**Jester** · 03-23-2006, 10:22 PM

I think if the OT did "jump the shark" it was when they removed Shredder and introdused Dregg...that and the stupid Super-Mutations and Carter additions. The original toon was a bit more serious in the first 2 seasons or so then it became more and more goofy, and it's hard to recapture the more serious tone...especially with Mikey still using his "grapler." I love the old toon, it's what made me a TMNT fan, but I think it lost itself when it went red Sky.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-23-2006, 11:18 PM

Had they kept Shredder and Krang, and not tried to compete with Power Rangers by ripping off their badass "Lord Zedd" storylines. I think Red Sky would have stood more of a chance. Some of my favourate episodes came from season eight.

**GK Punk** · 03-23-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I think if the OT did "jump the shark" it was when they removed Shredder and introdused Dregg...

Quoted.

For.

Truth.

TMNT4787 · 03-24-2006, 12:11 AM

I think it happend when the original voice actors started leaving. I know it was only like 2 or 3, but it was to main charecters. No one can do Shredder like Avrey and once that and Raph was gone ( Raph had 3 different voices I think ) its hard to keep watching because alot of people don't like change. Especailly in tv.

bloodbath666 · 03-24-2006, 01:08 AM

I love both shows as well. I agree that, that person's comments were pretty ignorant at parts. Even tho, the new show is technically alot better than the old show, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the the old show. The mistakes, the cheesyness, the change of characters, man I actually liked alot of that stuff. Mainly because I was a kid when all this happened, and man I remember getting up saturday mornings to watch the old tmnt show, and how happy it made me. I also remember how bad I felt when the old show got cancelled, so I'm glad that they brought back tmnt to tv, and I'm really glad that they are doing IMO a great job with the show.

**Jester** · 03-24-2006, 09:01 AM

I think alot of the "mistakes" in the original toon were intentional...to keep watchers on their toes...I mean how hard is it to draw the belts on the right way. There were episodes where the boys belts were on backwards, I think that was a "see if they spot it" intentional flub.

*KROW* · 03-24-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheShowstoppa

Does anyone but me think that the last comment (I mean VERY last) is completely ignorant? He talks about Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady being in the comics and he owned 10 of them, and that the new shows aren't based on the comics... the DOUCHE was reading the ARCHIE comics and not the Mirage ORIGINALS. This guy's a moron and deserves to be kicked in the nuts.

Well... Maybe not the nuts, but the ass would suffice, since that's where this person's brain seems to be located.

But hey, I once ran into some goon who claimed that he has a #2 issue of TMNT wherein they all died. So, there ya go.

As for the topic itself, I really don't have anything to say that hasn't been said already. Though I don't favor one toon over the other, I agree with Zarius' logic, as well as Jester's Dregg comment.

*Sewer Bull* · 03-24-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I think alot of the "mistakes" in the original toon were intentional...to keep watchers on their toes...I mean how hard is it to draw the belts on the right way. There were episodes where the boys belts were on backwards, I think that was a "see if they spot it" intentional flub.

Sounds rather bizarre but also plausible. I mean... How the hell errors like "five turtles in one scene (two of them being Raphael)" or other color-switching or voice-mistaking goofs that are so easy to spot for the watchers could go past the production phase?

Must have been intentional.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-25-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mandi-chan

I agree with you.

as do I...even if I like everything tmnt mirage is where it all came from so to me that's the turtles even if I've loved every tmnt version we've seen.
I guess I'm sort of a rarity in the tmnt fandom I even liked next mutation and image comics tmnt for a few reasons....as well as the old toon and archie as well even if I wish the old toon was more like the archie series...
hell I even wish the new show was more like the archie series.
-Putrescent

03-22-2006, 10:33 AM	#7
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	Jeez, what an ignorant idiot. I agree about the animation errors in the old toon... they really did just happen too frequently. I still like the old show better though, I've actually stopped watching the new series though. Beginning of season 4 really just didn't hold my interest at all. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

03-22-2006, 11:08 AM	#8
Leonardo_ Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 813	Ho, he repeats himself several times, so I didn't read all of it. But although how can someone beef about something that extremely?! By the way...what does "jump the shark" mean?? __________________

03-22-2006, 11:19 AM	#10
Leonardo_ Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 813	Ah, now I got it. Thanks, ZariusTwo __________________

03-23-2006, 10:22 PM	#12
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I think if the OT did "jump the shark" it was when they removed Shredder and introdused Dregg...that and the stupid Super-Mutations and Carter additions. The original toon was a bit more serious in the first 2 seasons or so then it became more and more goofy, and it's hard to recapture the more serious tone...especially with Mikey still using his "grapler." I love the old toon, it's what made me a TMNT fan, but I think it lost itself when it went red Sky. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-23-2006, 11:18 PM	#13
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,479	Had they kept Shredder and Krang, and not tried to compete with Power Rangers by ripping off their badass "Lord Zedd" storylines. I think Red Sky would have stood more of a chance. Some of my favourate episodes came from season eight. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks Last edited by ZariusTwo; 03-23-2006 at 11:32 PM.

03-22-2006, 01:40 AM	#1
TheShowstoppa Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 629	When fans think the original TMNT Show "Jumped the Shark." Being bored tonight, I went looking online to see what fun stuff I could find. I found a site on bored.com called Jump the Shark. For those of you who don't know, Jumping the Shark is defined as a TV show that has reached its peak and then steadily went downhill. I managed to find the ariticle for TMNT. Most of these are "fan votes" as to their opinion. I thought it would be an interesting read for you guys! Link: http://www.jumptheshark.com/t/teenag...njaturtles.htm Does anyone but me think that the last comment (I mean VERY last) is completely ignorant? He talks about Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady being in the comics and he owned 10 of them, and that the new shows aren't based on the comics... the DOUCHE was reading the ARCHIE comics and not the Mirage ORIGINALS. This guy's a moron and deserves to be kicked in the nuts. __________________ Courtesy of LUCKFF "I don't know what bothers me more; That this actually worked, or that Don carries around a pigeon puppet." - Mikey: Search for Splinter Pt. 1 Last edited by TheShowstoppa; 03-22-2006 at 01:46 AM.

03-22-2006, 02:11 AM	#2
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Sadly, you will run in to that more often than not

03-22-2006, 03:33 AM	#3
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	It irritates me when people complain simply because it's not the old cartoon. Guys: 1) It's not the same cartoon, nor is it trying to be. 2) You can actually read the TMNT #1 online. Do it. Then tell me this show is ruining the concept. I admit I was put off at first by the designs... and the first two episodes I saw were the Turtle Titan and Kirby episodes (I was a little weirded out) but further watching had me hooked. End of story. And the animation doesn't hurt your eyes. What's wrong with liking both? has both classic and new TMNT DVDs on shelf

03-22-2006, 03:44 AM	#4
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I like both as well. It kind of irritates me when people bash one in favor of the other.

03-22-2006, 05:46 AM	#5
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	frankly I'm just sick of the damn term "jump the shark" that in it's self is annoying...when I see it I go oh lord who's complaining now...

03-24-2006, 12:11 AM	#15
TMNT4787 Random Punk Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 26	I think it happend when the original voice actors started leaving. I know it was only like 2 or 3, but it was to main charecters. No one can do Shredder like Avrey and once that and Raph was gone ( Raph had 3 different voices I think ) its hard to keep watching because alot of people don't like change. Especailly in tv. __________________ There is only 3 types of people in this world. People who can count and people who can't.

03-24-2006, 01:08 AM	#16
bloodbath666 Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 24	I love both shows as well. I agree that, that person's comments were pretty ignorant at parts. Even tho, the new show is technically alot better than the old show, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the the old show. The mistakes, the cheesyness, the change of characters, man I actually liked alot of that stuff. Mainly because I was a kid when all this happened, and man I remember getting up saturday mornings to watch the old tmnt show, and how happy it made me. I also remember how bad I felt when the old show got cancelled, so I'm glad that they brought back tmnt to tv, and I'm really glad that they are doing IMO a great job with the show.

03-24-2006, 09:01 AM	#17
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	I think alot of the "mistakes" in the original toon were intentional...to keep watchers on their toes...I mean how hard is it to draw the belts on the right way. There were episodes where the boys belts were on backwards, I think that was a "see if they spot it" intentional flub. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656