Talkback: Laird's 2k3 development notes! - Page 14

*CyberCubed* · 04-07-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

But it didn't just have one story arc, it was all over place.

I doubt you remember FF at all because it had at least 3-4 continuing plotlines that went throughout the season. It of course had standalone episodes but to say there was no continuity is false.

*Xav* · 04-07-2012, 05:38 PM

Yes I do remember Fast Forward. That's my whole point it had multiple continuing plotlines, not one single story arc, and I never said it had "no" continuity just not as much as some of the other seasons.

*CyberCubed* · 04-07-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

Yes I do remember Fast Forward. That's my whole point it had multiple continuing plotlines, not one single story arc, and I never said it had "no" continuity just not as much as some of the other seasons.

Seasons 3-4 also had multiple story arcs. I really don't get what you're trying to say here, Fast Forward wasn't just a bunch of random episodes with no continuity and no plots.

The only eps I'd say are like that were the 3 Triple Threat episodes, but everything else was neatly tied together.

*Xav* · 04-07-2012, 11:41 PM

I never said it had no continuity and no plots. Stop putting words in my mouth. It definitely wasn't as narrative driven as season 5, which was pretty much one big story arc.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

THEY ARE NOT. FF and BttS are considered the weakest seasons because of their terrible jokes and plotless storylines

^ This was your comment. They definitely do not have plotless storylines.

*Xav* · 04-08-2012, 03:08 AM

My name is not "TheSkeletonMan939"

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 04-08-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

^ This was your comment. They definitely do not have plotless storylines.

When I say "plotless" I mean it's just a mix of bad jokes and predictable outcomes. The only reason I forced myself to watch FF was because I wanted to see every episode of the series. There definitely was a story in each ep, but it felt bland and tedious.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

When I say "plotless" I mean it's just a mix of bad jokes and predictable outcomes. The only reason I forced myself to watch FF was because I wanted to see every episode of the series. There definitely was a story in each ep, but it felt bland and tedious.

The entire series has bad jokes. And some of FF's episodes rank up there with some of the best of the entire series.

The only eps of FF that were truly a chore were the 3 Triple Threat episodes, all the others ranged from either average to very good.

*Xav* · 04-08-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And some of FF's episodes rank up there with some of the best of the entire series.

That's your opinion. I think it may be my least favorite season of the show.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Xav

That's your opinion. I think it may be my least favorite season of the show.

I won't disagree that it was one of the weaker seasons, but it had many enjoyable episodes and a great rogues gallery.

*Xav* · 04-08-2012, 06:19 PM

None of the villains seemed as good the modern ones.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

None of the villains seemed as good the modern ones.

They were better than the secondary villains of the show. While Shredder, Hun, Karai, Baxter and Bishop were all the most fleshed out and best handled villains of the show, I can't say the same for the third tier villains.

**Jester** · 04-08-2012, 08:06 PM

Yes, but how many "third tier villains" recur more than twice? The villains you mentioned are the only ones the I can even remember. Who are the 2nd....or even 3rd tier villains? Garbage Man? Malignius? Touch and Go? The Mob?

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Yes, but how many "third tier villains" recur more than twice? The villains you mentioned are the only ones the I can even remember. Who are the 2nd....or even 3rd tier villains? Garbage Man? Malignius? Touch and Go? The Mob?

And Savanti, etc. They were just average at best characters to give the Turtles someone up fight outside of the Foot.

I think Shokonobo, Viral, Torbin Zixx, Boss Zukko, and the Inuwashi Gunjin were all well done characters.

Jammerhead and the Dark Turtles were average, nothing horrible but not too great.

I'd say the only bad FF villains were Triple Threat and that Adam Zeto guy from the collector episode.

*MikeandRaph87* · 04-08-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And Savanti, etc. They were just average at best characters to give the Turtles someone up fight outside of the Foot.

I think Shokonobo, Viral, Torbin Zixx, Boss Zukko, and the Inuwashi Gunjin were all well done characters.

Jammerhead and the Dark Turtles were average, nothing horrible but not too great.

I'd say the only bad FF villains were Triple Threat and that Adam Zeto guy from the collector episode.

The Inuwasi Gunjin were not villains they were just misunderstood and Torbin Zixx was an Anti-hero opposed to a villain.

There were weak villains spread out throughout the series not just from one stretch of it. Any show is like that.

*CyberCubed* · 04-08-2012, 08:18 PM

Well most villains were connected to the Foot. And then you had the rankings of the Foot, Foot Tech Ninja, Elite Guard, Mystic Foot, Foot Gunners, Hun and Khan.

I will also forever believe Khan was one of the Elite Guards unless something in these development scripts reveals otherwise.

*MikeandRaph87* · 04-08-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well most villains were connected to the Foot. And then you had the rankings of the Foot, Foot Tech Ninja, Elite Guard, Mystic Foot, Foot Gunners, Hun and Khan.

I will also forever believe Khan was one of the Elite Guards unless something in these development scripts reveals otherwise.

The main villains were. Its going to always be like that. There will be a few that are not but a bulk will always be. In this show Bishop, and the rivials Prime Leader Zandramon and General Blanque I would argue were. Rat King and Dregg in the other show not connected to Shredder in some way.

**Jester** · 04-08-2012, 08:55 PM

Can't believe I forgot the Ultimate Ninja and Draco.

I liked Zixx, the IG, Darius,Viral and the Dark Turtles, especially DNA is Thicker Than Water, which I feel is the best >> episode and one of the better episodes of the series. Not a huge fan of Shokonobo and the other one or 2 off villains though.

*CyberCubed* · 04-10-2012, 02:38 PM

The cartoons have always had a problem finding a Shredder replacement. The old show tried with Lord Dregg, Season 4 tried with Karai and Bishop, Season 6 with Shokonobo...and then they just went back to Cyber Shredder.

Overall Shoko'nobo was a pretty good main villain for FF. I loved how he was like an alien version of Clayface.

Killer Moth · 04-30-2012, 03:39 PM

Speaking of "DNA Is Thicker...," the recently released first draft has this exchange between Mike and Dark Mike:

"ON MIKEY/DARK MIKEY – charging. Mikey jumps over Dark Mikey. Dark Mikey stops - confused! Dark Mikey turns around.
ON MIKEY – he smirks, waves, and extends his left arm OFF-CAM.
MICHELANGELO (O/C)
Over here!
Mikey speaks out of the corner of his mouth (ala ventriloquism) as CAM PANS the length of Mikey’s left arm REVEALING he has EYES painted on his hand and is doing a Senor Wences-style DUMMY.
MICHELANGELO
(in a high-pitched voice)
No…over here!
D. MIKEY looks BACK/FORTH between Mikey and his hand - CONFUSED.
DARK MICHELANGELO
Aargh! What manner of SORCERY IS this?"

Laird's response is what anyone would expect:

Oh. My. God.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....40-dna-is.html

I know it's bad and shouldn't have been done, at all, yet I can't stop grinning.

04-08-2012, 08:06 PM	#273
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Yes, but how many "third tier villains" recur more than twice? The villains you mentioned are the only ones the I can even remember. Who are the 2nd....or even 3rd tier villains? Garbage Man? Malignius? Touch and Go? The Mob? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-08-2012, 08:55 PM	#278
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Can't believe I forgot the Ultimate Ninja and Draco. I liked Zixx, the IG, Darius,Viral and the Dark Turtles, especially DNA is Thicker Than Water, which I feel is the best >> episode and one of the better episodes of the series. Not a huge fan of Shokonobo and the other one or 2 off villains though. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 04-08-2012 at 09:11 PM.

04-07-2012, 05:38 PM	#262
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Yes I do remember Fast Forward. That's my whole point it had multiple continuing plotlines, not one single story arc, and I never said it had "no" continuity just not as much as some of the other seasons.

04-07-2012, 11:41 PM	#264
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	I never said it had no continuity and no plots. Stop putting words in my mouth. It definitely wasn't as narrative driven as season 5, which was pretty much one big story arc.

04-08-2012, 03:08 AM	#266
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	My name is not "TheSkeletonMan939"

04-08-2012, 06:19 PM	#271
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	None of the villains seemed as good the modern ones.

04-08-2012, 08:18 PM	#276
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	Well most villains were connected to the Foot. And then you had the rankings of the Foot, Foot Tech Ninja, Elite Guard, Mystic Foot, Foot Gunners, Hun and Khan. I will also forever believe Khan was one of the Elite Guards unless something in these development scripts reveals otherwise.

04-10-2012, 02:38 PM	#279
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,899	The cartoons have always had a problem finding a Shredder replacement. The old show tried with Lord Dregg, Season 4 tried with Karai and Bishop, Season 6 with Shokonobo...and then they just went back to Cyber Shredder. Overall Shoko'nobo was a pretty good main villain for FF. I loved how he was like an alien version of Clayface.

04-30-2012, 03:39 PM	#280
Killer Moth Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 384	Speaking of "DNA Is Thicker...," the recently released first draft has this exchange between Mike and Dark Mike: "ON MIKEY/DARK MIKEY – charging. Mikey jumps over Dark Mikey. Dark Mikey stops - confused! Dark Mikey turns around. ON MIKEY – he smirks, waves, and extends his left arm OFF-CAM. MICHELANGELO (O/C) Over here! Mikey speaks out of the corner of his mouth (ala ventriloquism) as CAM PANS the length of Mikey’s left arm REVEALING he has EYES painted on his hand and is doing a Senor Wences-style DUMMY. MICHELANGELO (in a high-pitched voice) No…over here! D. MIKEY looks BACK/FORTH between Mikey and his hand - CONFUSED. DARK MICHELANGELO Aargh! What manner of SORCERY IS this?" Laird's response is what anyone would expect: Oh. My. God. http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....40-dna-is.html I know it's bad and shouldn't have been done, at all, yet I can't stop grinning.