Talkback: Laird's 2k3 development notes! - Page 16

*Xav* · 05-23-2012, 08:52 PM

There were 10.

*CyberCubed* · 05-23-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

How many Fastforward "Season 2" episodes were there before it was scrapped?

One of them wound up being the Serling episode from BTTS, they salvaged that one for some reason.

"Master Fighter 2105" has a completed animatic with VA but no completed animation.

Keep in mind the other episodes were only in script form, they never even recorded voice work for them before they were abandoned.

*Xav* · 05-25-2012, 04:54 AM

Now I know why Ch'rell jumped on Raph's head in Secret Origins. He was trying to take control of his body!

Killer Moth · 05-26-2012, 04:31 PM

Today, Laird released more of the Triceraton Shredder intro script, however, this bit from another episode draft has my attention:

"EXT. ALIEN ALLEY. MAO-TRON'S DUMPLING HOUSE - CONTINUOUS
Mikey pulls up to this modest store, indicated by HOLO-SIGNAGE of a TENTACLED ALIEN stir-frying happy-looking dumplings.
MIKEY - rubs his hands together as he takes a deep whiff.
*MIKEY
<SNIFFFFF>Breathe in the deep fried goodness, bros! Mao-Tron's Teriaki Tentacle Tempura two-fer Tuesdays! "

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2007-re.html

Laird's response:

I don't know if this was intentional or not, but naming this restaurant "Mao-Tron's" makes me think of a robotic Mao Tse-Tung. Maybe we could get in a few sly references to the old Chairman, like maybe the menus could look like little red books, or Mikey could say at the end of his lines above "It's like a cultural revolution... in your mouth!"

Make of it what you will, because I don't know what to think of the above. Enjoy.

**Jester** · 06-09-2012, 09:18 AM

Some stuff about Back to the Sewer was posted:
*Peter wanted Cyber Shredder to hack Nano to enter the "real" world. Kinda like that idea, since I actually really grew to like Nano.
*Peter wanted Serling (or a new bot built from Serling plans) in BTTS. I think a built from scratch new Serling would have been better, he could have been less pompous and there wouldn't be the "Cody's alone in the future filled with evil uncles and Turtle clones." hole.
*Hun as Shredder...as part of the Shredder Wars...which they had planned. Crap, why did BttS have to only last 13 really filler filled episodes?

*oldmanwinters* · 06-09-2012, 10:31 AM

Too bad Peter Laird's ideas weren't given a little more weight for the later seasons. But at least we know that he didn't just ignore the drafts he received.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester

Crap, why did BttS have to only last 13 really filler filled episodes?

Now that you mention it, that whole season pretty much consisted of filler episodes. Odd. Wasted opportunity.

It's been a while since I watched them all. About how many plot essential episodes do you think that season consisted of between Tempus Fugit and Wedding Bells and Bytes?

**Jester** · 06-09-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

It's been a while since I watched them all. About how many plot essential episodes do you think that season consisted of between Tempus Fugit and Wedding Bells and Bytes?

Let's see:
S7, Ep1: Tempus Fugit. Essential, sets up the season as a whole.

S7, Ep2: Karate Schooled. Essential, introduces Khan.

S7, Ep3: Something Wicked. Essential, first episode where the Turtles face Cyber Shredder.

S7, Ep4: The Engagement Ring. Essential, furthers Casey and April's plot, leads to the wedding.

S7, Ep5: Hacking Stockman. Essential, features Shredder invading Stockman. Just awesome.

S7, Ep6: Incredible Shrinking Serling. Filler.

S7, Ep7: Identity Crisis. Essential, Khan hacks the Turtles to do the Foot's bidding.

S7, Ep8: Web Wranglers. Essential, Shredder's attempts to become corporal seen.

S7, Ep9: SuperQuest. 1/2 and 1/2, it has the Turtles looking for data bits, in Mikey's favorite MMORPG.

S7, Ep10: Virtual Reality Check. Not sure, but it's just virtual Bad Day rip-off.

S7, Ep11: City Under Siege. Not sure, Shredder pulls a page out of FW Shredder's play book and control of the cities electronic stuff...FOR EVIL!!!

S7, Ep12: Super Power Struggle. SOOOO MUCH FILLER! Sorry, I hate this useless episode.

S7, Ep13: Wedding Bells and Bytes. Essential, series finale. April and Casey's wedding, Splinter back, and Shredder defeated.

So....surprisingly, a lot more is essential than I thought. Only 2 episodes are pure filler, and a couple are kinda sorta filler.

*Cipher* · 06-09-2012, 05:57 PM

I don't think that's quite fair, Jester. Sure, most episodes seemed to introduce ... some kinda something, but how often was the plot of Shredder almost becoming corporeal recycled, with little buildup to the actual moment?

I remember as it was airing, everyone was predicting, "Man, this'll be the episode where Shredder gets out so we can get the real plot going."

And that was a totally fair prediction, because every episode felt like it was treading water and we kept being teased with the Shredder becoming real and a big threat gearing up for the rest of the season. Man, remember what a watershed episode Web Wranglers was going to be? Halfway through the season and time for a big change-up? A description that implied major catastrophe and the return of the Shredder? And then everything reset and it continued to tease you with the idea that the Shredder might kinda sorta do something in the near future.

It ... didn't really happen. And then it did, and he promptly seemed to die. And then he came back for about ten minutes in the season finale to attack a bunch of cameos and be quickly wiped from the Earth again.

The majority of the series is a painful cycle of the Turtles gathering data bits and the same, looming threat almost happening.

Back to the Sewer is all about treading water for 13 episodes to sell toys that never hit shelves.

EDIT --

Weird how Lloyd Goldfine was apparently tuned into the fact most of the fanbase disliked Nano. Did kids dislike him too?

EDIT EDIT --

"<<LG: Let us mull this one over. There might be some fun in the following: someone is rebuilding the foot organization. Meanwhile the Turtles learn of the CyberShredder. They ASSUME that it’s CyberShredder that’s putting the Foot organization back together, but --SURPRISE SHOCKER!-- it’s Hun, who’s dubbed himself the new Shredder!>>"

Man, that alone is a more interesting and fully realized dynamic than anything explored in the actual series. And both Laird and Goldfine were on board for this? What the hell, man.

The Big Bad · 06-10-2012, 06:13 AM

I'm actually really glad "Hun becomes the Shredder" never came to pass. It seems out of place, given his character trajectory until that point. Plus, it'd been established he doesn't really give a damn about the Foot Clan itself, so why would he take on their master's identity?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester

Some stuff about Back to the Sewer was posted:
*Peter wanted Cyber Shredder to hack Nano to enter the "real" world. Kinda like that idea, since I actually really grew to like Nano.
*Peter wanted Serling (or a new bot built from Serling plans) in BTTS. I think a built from scratch new Serling would have been better, he could have been less pompous and there wouldn't be the "Cody's alone in the future filled with evil uncles and Turtle clones." hole.

It's time travel. There's nothing preventing Serling from returning to the future a second after he left it, even if he spends years in the past, especially since the time window has apparently been perfected and can be rebuilt. While Cody very well could have been left alone for X period of time, there's no evidence supporting that particular scenario over any other potential one.

*Powder* · 06-10-2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

I'm actually really glad "Hun becomes the Shredder" never came to pass. It seems out of place, given his character trajectory until that point. Plus, it'd been established he doesn't really give a damn about the Foot Clan itself, so why would he take on their master's identity?

Probably because he's a brute with an ego who loves having authority over a mass of thugs. Makes sense to an extent.

BAXTER STOCKMAN 19 · 06-11-2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powder

Probably because he's a brute with an ego who loves having authority over a mass of thugs. Makes sense to an extent.

If Nick wants then Hun can become Shredder in Nick show . Some of the ideas that they have for another season of 2003 series, can be used in the Nick show if nicks wants it.

*Powder* · 06-11-2012, 02:14 PM

How very kind of you to give them your permission.

TobTurn · 06-25-2012, 05:24 PM

Ha, this part made me laugh:

13.) Re: the following:

"LEO
It' s Ninja Time!"

No.

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-25-2012, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobTurn

Ha, this part made me laugh:

13.) Re: the following:

"LEO
It' s Ninja Time!"

No.

I am currently rewatching the entire series and am up to The Journal. It seems as if Cody says it to make him think he is cool and then after some time the turtles say it. If it was just Cody it would be fine but not the turtles.

*oldmanwinters* · 07-21-2012, 11:24 AM

Laird is starting post his early notes on the Turtles Forever project!
http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....ry-5-2008.html

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....08re-tmnt.html

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-p-laird.html

*MrPliggins* · 07-22-2012, 09:54 AM

I like how Peter suggested using the COOTS Turtles in the montage sequence. Did they end up being used?

Killer Moth · 07-22-2012, 08:59 PM

Nice to know he actually did have Slash and Tokka in mind for Hun's mutation. Awesome.

But the real reason for the post:

And while I'm on the subject... when I think back to the old '88 show, I keep hearing in my mind Krang's whiny/burpy voice calling for "Saki" (typically spoken in a drawn-out fashion like this -- "Saaaakiii") when he addressed the '88 Shredder. I think we should have him do that at least once in this project.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....08re-tmnt.html

I haven't seen the uncut version in a while, yet I don't recall Forever Krang ever saying "Saki." (Or did he and I missed it?) If so, it is a shame it got dropped, but good for Laird for remembering it. I never did understood why that trait of Krang's was dropped after the original mini-series or first season ended. Oh, well.

ChromeDome · 07-23-2012, 09:32 AM

From what I can remember Krang only refers to Shredder as Saki in the first season of the 1987 series, afterwards he calls him Shredder. Although I maybe mistaken.

I know that in Turtle Tracks, Krang asks for Shredder to come and see him and calls him Saki, but Shredder insists that Krang call him Shredder.

*Xav* · 07-24-2012, 06:33 PM

Why do they keep calling the Fred Wolf show and the characters from it 88, when the show premiered in 87?

*Galactus* · 07-24-2012, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

Why do they keep calling the Fred Wolf show and the characters from it 88, when the show premiered in 87?

TMNT4Kids that used to post here did give a reason though for the life of me I can't remember what it was.

06-09-2012, 09:18 AM	#305
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Some stuff about Back to the Sewer was posted: Peter wanted Cyber Shredder to hack Nano to enter the "real" world. Kinda like that idea, since I actually really grew to like Nano. Peter wanted Serling (or a new bot built from Serling plans) in BTTS. I think a built from scratch new Serling would have been better, he could have been less pompous and there wouldn't be the "Cody's alone in the future filled with evil uncles and Turtle clones." hole. *Hun as Shredder...as part of the Shredder Wars...which they had planned. Crap, why did BttS have to only last 13 really filler filled episodes? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

06-09-2012, 05:57 PM	#308
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	I don't think that's quite fair, Jester. Sure, most episodes seemed to introduce ... some kinda something, but how often was the plot of Shredder almost becoming corporeal recycled, with little buildup to the actual moment? I remember as it was airing, everyone was predicting, "Man, this'll be the episode where Shredder gets out so we can get the real plot going." And that was a totally fair prediction, because every episode felt like it was treading water and we kept being teased with the Shredder becoming real and a big threat gearing up for the rest of the season. Man, remember what a watershed episode Web Wranglers was going to be? Halfway through the season and time for a big change-up? A description that implied major catastrophe and the return of the Shredder? And then everything reset and it continued to tease you with the idea that the Shredder might kinda sorta do something in the near future. It ... didn't really happen. And then it did, and he promptly seemed to die. And then he came back for about ten minutes in the season finale to attack a bunch of cameos and be quickly wiped from the Earth again. The majority of the series is a painful cycle of the Turtles gathering data bits and the same, looming threat almost happening. Back to the Sewer is all about treading water for 13 episodes to sell toys that never hit shelves. EDIT -- Weird how Lloyd Goldfine was apparently tuned into the fact most of the fanbase disliked Nano. Did kids dislike him too? EDIT EDIT -- "<<LG: Let us mull this one over. There might be some fun in the following: someone is rebuilding the foot organization. Meanwhile the Turtles learn of the CyberShredder. They ASSUME that it’s CyberShredder that’s putting the Foot organization back together, but --SURPRISE SHOCKER!-- it’s Hun, who’s dubbed himself the new Shredder!>>" Man, that alone is a more interesting and fully realized dynamic than anything explored in the actual series. And both Laird and Goldfine were on board for this? What the hell, man. Last edited by Cipher; 06-09-2012 at 08:10 PM.

07-21-2012, 11:24 AM	#315
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,511	Laird is starting post his early notes on the Turtles Forever project! http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....ry-5-2008.html http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....08re-tmnt.html http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....8-p-laird.html __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items! Last edited by oldmanwinters; 07-22-2012 at 04:02 PM.

05-23-2012, 08:52 PM	#301
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	There were 10.

05-25-2012, 04:54 AM	#303
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Now I know why Ch'rell jumped on Raph's head in Secret Origins. He was trying to take control of his body!

05-26-2012, 04:31 PM	#304
Killer Moth Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 384	Today, Laird released more of the Triceraton Shredder intro script, however, this bit from another episode draft has my attention: "EXT. ALIEN ALLEY. MAO-TRON'S DUMPLING HOUSE - CONTINUOUS Mikey pulls up to this modest store, indicated by HOLO-SIGNAGE of a TENTACLED ALIEN stir-frying happy-looking dumplings. MIKEY - rubs his hands together as he takes a deep whiff. *MIKEY <SNIFFFFF>Breathe in the deep fried goodness, bros! Mao-Tron's Teriaki Tentacle Tempura two-fer Tuesdays! " http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....1-2007-re.html Laird's response: I don't know if this was intentional or not, but naming this restaurant "Mao-Tron's" makes me think of a robotic Mao Tse-Tung. Maybe we could get in a few sly references to the old Chairman, like maybe the menus could look like little red books, or Mikey could say at the end of his lines above "It's like a cultural revolution... in your mouth!" Make of it what you will, because I don't know what to think of the above. Enjoy.

06-11-2012, 02:14 PM	#312
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	How very kind of you to give them your permission.

06-25-2012, 05:24 PM	#313
TobTurn Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 153	Ha, this part made me laugh: 13.) Re: the following: "LEO It' s Ninja Time!" No.

07-22-2012, 09:54 AM	#316
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	I like how Peter suggested using the COOTS Turtles in the montage sequence. Did they end up being used?

07-22-2012, 08:59 PM	#317
Killer Moth Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 384	Nice to know he actually did have Slash and Tokka in mind for Hun's mutation. Awesome. But the real reason for the post: And while I'm on the subject... when I think back to the old '88 show, I keep hearing in my mind Krang's whiny/burpy voice calling for "Saki" (typically spoken in a drawn-out fashion like this -- "Saaaakiii") when he addressed the '88 Shredder. I think we should have him do that at least once in this project. http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot....08re-tmnt.html I haven't seen the uncut version in a while, yet I don't recall Forever Krang ever saying "Saki." (Or did he and I missed it?) If so, it is a shame it got dropped, but good for Laird for remembering it. I never did understood why that trait of Krang's was dropped after the original mini-series or first season ended. Oh, well.

07-23-2012, 09:32 AM	#318
ChromeDome Random Punk Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 22	From what I can remember Krang only refers to Shredder as Saki in the first season of the 1987 series, afterwards he calls him Shredder. Although I maybe mistaken. I know that in Turtle Tracks, Krang asks for Shredder to come and see him and calls him Saki, but Shredder insists that Krang call him Shredder.

07-24-2012, 06:33 PM	#319
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Why do they keep calling the Fred Wolf show and the characters from it 88, when the show premiered in 87?