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Originally Posted by Vegita-San

All these reboots arn't being done for the fans. they are being done for anew generation that the studio for some reason HOPES will become NEW fans (That they can oddly ignore in ten years for the next generation).

Well, a fanbase does need new members, otherwise it dies off. Also, in some cases, the people involved in the making were fans of the source material. Also, there is the odd reboot that both old and new fans like. Also, many of the "reboots" today are adaptations of materials that already have a big franchise with multiple interpretations already in existence.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

The problem is that this new generation isn't loyal to anything and will move on to the next big thing as soon as they tire of what's current and popular.

That makes no sense. New fanbases are being formed all the time. Also, Marvel vs. DC? Star Trek vs. Star Wars? Those debates are still going on today. (I prefer Marvel over DC and love both Trek and Wars.)

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Case in Point Star Trek.

Enterprise was supposed to attract a NEW generation of Star Trek fans, and it failed miserably. they wnted to seperate so much from the brand, they used some pop radio sounding song as the theme, and dropped star trek from it's title. By the time they paid attention to the fans in season 4 it was far too late and felt like pandering.

The pop song had nothing to do with the actual quality of the show (and I've never gotten what was so wrong with it in the first place). Secondly, the show has been reevaluated a lot after the fact, with a plenty of netizens going on record that the show was better than it was given credit for. Also, ENT was not a remake.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Did Paramount learn their lesson? nope. They did it again with JJ trek. and that grand adventure started to fail in the second movie. meanwhile, the loyal friend and true star trek fans are growing more pissed by the day, and there is a chance you will never win them back into the fold.

First of all, there are a lot of true fans who like or love the Kelvin timeline series (and to be frank, the whole "false fan" thing is one of the worse lies ever invented for modern fandoms of anything).

Secondly, while I didn't like the first two reboot movies at all, I think the third one was a return to form, so, while I'll always prefer the prime universe Star Trek, I'm optimistic about the series future.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

So, who exactly wins here?

not the fan base. you divided and conquered them. you have the people who will defend blandness for whatever reason. and you have the people willing to trash you for that same blandness. then you have the casuals who will like it for two hours and move on with their lives.

Sounds like business as usual for fan bases in the age of internet and polarity in discussions. Also, I don't think Star Trek is a good example of a broken fanbase. Try Star Wars. There is a lot of angry fans and disagreement over the creative decisions made with the new materials.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

The problem is that people getting these big tentpole franchises with built in fan bases either out right hate the job they are given, don't care enough to take it seriously, or don't bother to understand it....or in some cases, use it to get their dream job later.

Not always. See: Spider-Man (Raimi trilogy), MCU (esp. the Captain America stuff), Star Trek Beyond, Peter Jackson's Middle-earth movies, post-Disney Star Wars.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This is revisionist history. And false. The actual ratings of Enterprise were pretty far from bad, and very consistent. They just weren't getting any better, and Enterprise was very costly to make compared to the rest of their lineup.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Season 4 was pretty bad because it felt like fan-pandering. Because it was. Every episode was, "Look how this ties to this episode of TOS, or TNG" while ceasing even trying to be its own thing. By the time we're spending two episodes with Noonien Soongh's grandpa or whatever it's just like, "Aw, c'mon, guys..."

Season 3 of Enterprise, I would maintain, as a collective whole remains the best Trek I've ever seen in any media.

ENT Season 3 wasn't bad (what I've been able to see of it), but I think TOS is the most re-watchable series in the franchise, TNG is my favorite show of them all, and that DS9 was the best written, executed, and consistent series. (DS9 also did multiple episode story arcs and war stuff better than ENT did, IMHO.)

As far as season 4 goes, I would point out that the previous seasons also did their fair share of TOS prequels, that part of the point of ENT was to show how we got to TOS, and that many of the prequels also stand up as stories on their own, even without knowing what came next. But, your mileage may vary.