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Mad Scientist
Join Date: May 2013
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Originally Posted by Leo656
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- Other thread business can stay in other threads. Especially when it has aaaaabsolutely F*ck-all-nothin' to do with what's currently being discussed.
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You're the one who brought it up
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Originally Posted by Leo656
- I'm well aware that things have shifted economically in the last few decades. People still have opportunities to create their own "better life", rather than demanding it be handed to them.
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Umm not really, if they can't afford the chance to get a higher education or any type of housing and they could be bankrupt in terms of medical bills then its hard to use said opportunities when things are stacked against there favors and them "demanding stuff handed to them" is just asking for a fair trade.
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They simply don't listen when people try and give them good advice. When I was in high school, a team of counselors spoke to our entire class and said, essentially, "By the time you get out of college, all the money jobs are going to be in pharmaceuticals. All the computer jobs you're excited about are going to be outsourced to India within a few years, but the drug industry is set to boom and it's the only product America still produces for itself. So if you want to be successful, you need to apply yourself in advanced math and chemistry, so you can get a job in the pharmaceutical industry.
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You do know jobs are finite right, if everyone is trying to get a job in the pharmaceutical industry it means those jobs are going to become even more rare
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If for some reason your skills don't lie in that direction, your next safest bet is to learn a trade like welding. Otherwise, if you pursue virtually any other area of interest, you're probably going to struggle and end up in a lot of debt."Lo and behold, most kids said, "I don't wanna do that. I wanna do computers." Most of those kids wasted their time and money. The pharmacy techs, the lab workers, the steelworkers and auto mechanics... they're all doing just fine. "But I don't wanna do that!" I know, me neither. So I had a sh*t job for a long time until I went to school for a better one. Which still ain't great, but it's better. Had I known then what I know know, I definitely would have found a way to learn chemistry, even if I didn't want to.
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1. Like I said before not everyone should be the jobs listed because that just means less potential jobs of that calibur
2. Citation need on "doing just fine" I know a lot of pharmacy techs and auto mechanics who are having trouble paying for money and housing.
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Point being, I'm aware that people can't go from the mail room to the penthouse anymore, or get a lifetime job picking up where their father left off. However, many times people ARE given the next best thing to a map to earning a comfortable living, and they screw it up because "I don't wanna do that." So my sympathy only goes so far. A lot of people create their own problems, often by not taking perfectly good advice because it's not what they want to hear.
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Where are you getting this idea that people are suffering because they aren't working hard enough, millennials are working harder than Gen X and Baby Boomers and most of the time they aren't given the next best thing since AGAIN, schooling has went up
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- I'm HIGHLY suspicious of those projections on health care, because I don't think anyone's truly considered the variables and complications that are unique to this country and don't apply elsewhere. Most actual doctors whose opinions I've read on the subject swear that it would lead to a mass exodus of medical professionals - since it's now gone from a 6-figure job to a "wait for the government to pay you" job - and severe lack of resources spread between an infinite number of new patients. I don't see how it could be anything but a giant clusterf*ck. The system we have isn't perfect, by any means, but I think such a dramatic overhaul could only complicate things further.
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1. Look at every country with Universal healthcare and notice they spend much less on it than we do.
2. The people here are professionals who have been factoring in the variables you listed
3. Doctors in Canada are not only getting paid as much as our do but actually rejected pay rise
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43336410
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I'm always "survival of the fittest" with these things. I'm going to wager that me and my family have "struggled" a fair bit more than most. We've also done well, at times, so I've seen how things work on the Up and Down. Absolutely, Yes, if I - a person born and raised in this country, who was working 6 days a week for many years and was suddenly thrust into a situation I needed help to get out of - can be told, to my face, by those same people who were supposed to help me, "You're not supposed to have these problems," and ALSO say I don't deserve help because I'm white, and then someone who really has NO reason to be here, is technically a criminal, and in NO way deserving of any government assistance or resources, can be trained by those SAME PEOPLE on how to cheat the system, you're goddamn right I'm going to be pissed because that's NOT how this sh*t is supposed to work. People who are from here, working steadily, pay taxes, etc., deserve infinitely more help when they get "stuck" than someone who literally hopped a fence for a free lunch. The system was designed to help people like me, NOT people like them. So to see myself, and others like me, get pushed aside so a bunch of other people can claim those resources as their own - because "C'mooonnn maaaan, be nice!" - is downright infuriating. It's abuse of resources at best, outright theft at worst.
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So again because of that one example of a social worker being an asshole you are going to put entire group of people under the bus and again most immigrants are struggling just like you and even worse in cases but you are saying screw them because a social worker was focusing their attention on the immigrant instead of you.
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Exactly WHO told any of these people to have kids they couldn't afford to raise? And why is that MY problem? Listen, if somebody says, "So, my plan for a 'Better Life' is to have kids too young, while earning a migrant worker's wage, then run screaming over to the closest, richest country I can find begging for handouts," that person makes horrible life choices and they really don't deserve anything. "My family!" Money first, family second. You don't start the f*cking family until you can pay for it, numbnuts. I mean, sh*t, it's just as big a problem here, but that goes back to the larger point. We already have TOO MANY freeloaders and welfare cases living here, so it really wouldn't do us any good to just go ahead and squeeze in a few thousand more.
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If you want to complain about freeloaders complain about how we spend billions if not trillions are the military industry complex and complain about bailouts for corporations and wall street. Also why should raising a kid be a mistake, we need a next generation of people to support the country and while I'm not saying everyone should have babies regardless of what they say I also don't think we should have people in situations they can't escape for having kids and we should't be punishing kids either. Like I said the cost of living has gone up and so has the cost of raising a child so why should we make people's live miserable.
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Aaaaaaaaand a lot of it could all be avoided if people weren't generally stupid. People sure ask me to care an awful lot about other people's self-inflicted problems. They did nothing to create their "better life", but they insist someone hand it over to them. Nah. Make better choices, own your mistakes, take the rest from there. Nobody owes anybody a living. Sh*t's laughable. Part of the impotent rage coming from the under-30 crowd is that they completely expect life to work in ways that it doesn't, can't, and never will.
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How can people create a "Better Life" when so much is stacked against them, you can't create something from nothing and you certainly can't improve when everything is not in your favor. Also I love how you think people under 30 are expecting life to work out in unrealistic ways when it wasn't too long a person without an education could support a family of two. You call people being bankrupt over medical bills, having pay for increased housing and college tuition, and working more hours for less pay impotent rage then I bet you would be calling factory workers from the 1930s crybabies.
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