Corona Virus/Dow Jones taking a hit/possible recession

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Whew. I love you, brother,

Gladly accepted and returned!

I hope by now you know that I tend not to say things unless I have something to back it up.

but there's a HUGE gap between US workers being "under-paid" when there are people getting $15 an hour to do a monkey's job (when they're not so much "underpaid" as it is more that rents and mortgages cost too much;nobody SHOULD get $15 an hour for putting cheese on a f*cking bun, I'm sorry, but by all means, lower the cost of living, that's something we'll agree on), which is the US version of what you're talking about, and literal children on the other side of the world losing their fingers in Nike sweatshops for two cents a day. And when I hear anyone whine about "violations of human rights" in the US, it's usually some junkie with a needle in their arm bitching that The Man wants them to get their sh*t together and stop being a public nuisance and/or health hazard.

1. Current US minimum wage is $7.25. McDonald's starts you off a little higher.

2. Controlling prices is very much an authoritarian, communist move. A core belief of the GOP and conservatives across the board is that the government has no place in a free market.

And to an extent, I agree. There's certain lines the government shouldn't be crossing in that regard. Price capping is a dangerous area to enter when discussing any of this.

We're not seeing government thugs smashing people's heads in with bricks for having the audacity to criticize their own government. That's Over There, NOT Over Here.

Trump has asked for people to attack protesters and praised their efforts on the follow through.

The US and China ain't even playing the same sport when it comes to who treats its people worse. C'mon, guy.

To sides of the same coin, brother. One doesn't exist without the other.

I agree that it's not good that Chinese and Asian people are being attacked and assaulted because of what one country's government probably did, BUT... well...

Thank you.

For three years, I've watched people loudly advocate for assaulting anyone wearing a Trump hat, anything from "punch Nazis" (with anyone who isn't a Democrat being a "Nazi" by default) to "Shoot the President", all without any irony whatsoever, and I've even seen little kids gang-assaulted and beaten so badly on the school bus just for wearing a red hat... "because they deserve it", so... Tit for Tat, I guess?

There's a lot to unpack here.

1. The term Nazi has been thrown around so much that it doesn't have much meaning or impact anymore. Sumac called liberals Nazis the other day. I don't think anyone knows what Nazism is.

2. Again, Trump has openly called for violence. That was answered. By a Neo-Nazi, oddly enough.

3. And then some by the MAGA bomber.

Like, I personally don't think violence should be used unless someone hits you first, after which all bets are off.

There's a lot to discuss here, too. The 2nd Amendment exists for a reason. Jefferson even said it was to kill the government should the government over step it's reach.

What bothers me most about it is that during 8 years of Obama, there were no militias rising up to take out the dictator.

All jokes aside, tit for tat is an eye for an eye. That leaves everyone blind.

BUT, Liberals and progressives have been advocating violence over Words and Ideas for a very long time now,

so they have no moral high ground to claim at the moment. They can't act outraged if people are getting beaten up for bad reasons, when they've been TELLING people to beat people up for bad reasons for years now. THIS is where that "Punch Nazis" sh*t gets everyone. I've been trying to calmly explain that to my friends on FB who've been loudly calling for violent anarchists to overthrow the government for years: "It's all well and good to incite violence until people you DON'T wanna see getting punched in the face are getting punched in the face. Nobody should be punching anyone."

Hence no tit for tat. But we're talking about the fringe lunatics here. Regular people don't make the news. We aren't interesting enough. The insanity eventually bleeds down to us, though.

I agree, violent racist outbursts are not good. I am not happy that is happening. The virus still came from China, regardless. I simply wish people understood that it's not a problem you can punch away.

I don't think anyone is unfamiliar with the origin of the disease. That's not what's being contested.

What I'm saying is that if I attach a name to something, it acts as an attack on everyone and everything that name is associated with.

During the government shut down, I changed the title of the thread to the Trump Shut Down and the conservatives on the board lost their mind. This despite Trump literally claiming responsibility for it ON TAPE.

My point is that this is a racial thing. And no amount of arguing is explaining is going to change that. It's the same as calling AIDS Gay Related Immuno Deficiency. Not really all that helpful to start pointing at homosexuals and saying "look! they're diseased!"

But I knew it was only a matter of time. Human beings are inherently tribal. ALL human existence is about "Us vs. Them".

No, it isn't. I don't live in the United States anymore. I fled during the Obama years and moved abroad. I'm a racial minority here and no one really gives me **** for it.

Always was, always will be.

If you make it.

That's why it's not going to get better; it's in our DNA, and you see how little it takes to bring it out of us.

Or we could just pull the frame back a bit and see that something that started in one place infected the whole world. We're irreversibly connected now. That's why this xenophobic stuff isn't going to play out. We can't untangle ourselves from each other.

Doesn't even have to be racial; we advocate violence and death because someone wears a red hat.

You know someone just unfurled a swastika flag at a Sanders rally, right? The man had relatives killed in the Holocaust.

Maybe don't act like third-world barbarians? I did just see a study that heavily implies that it DID come from eating bats. Okay then. WHAT RATIONAL F*CKING PERSON DOES SH*T LIKE THAT?

Americans eat roadkill, dude.

It's like I was watching some show on Discovery Channel recently, and the host dude was in some local village and they invited him to take part in an ancient ritual in which they all drank a bunch of cow's blood, which was poured into a cup straight from the jugular vein. And I'm sitting here thinking, "YEAH, wow, nothing like a big cup'a AIDS blood to make me feel like one'a you guys."

Drinking blood is a pretty common practice the world over.