Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Bry]

I love the total lack of response from A Certain Someone. Just perfectly typical.

Originally Posted by Leo656

These guys want to play it both ways, and are always talking in equal measure about "Keeping things real" and yet "making a live-action cartoon", and you cannot do both of those things simultaneously. That's ONE of the most annoying things about the entire project.

That's a pretty standard approach from half-baked projects like these. If something "works," you can claim is was intentional. If something doesn't, hey man, it's all just a goofy cartoon, relax. Like a creative bulletproof vest.

Originally Posted by THGhost

I can sense Cubed running in here to defend the show's later seasons. The first 3-4 are great though, definitely worth checking out. You can find them on YouTube.

Yeah, they're "illegally" available a lot of places. They seem to always be on YouTube. The early seasons are well worth checking out. There are a bunch of weak filler episodes through the whole run, but when it's good it's really good.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

I love the total lack of response from A Certain Someone. Just perfectly typical.



That's a pretty standard approach from half-baked projects like these. If something "works," you can claim is was intentional. If something doesn't, hey man, it's all just a goofy cartoon, relax. Like a creative bulletproof vest.



Yeah, they're "illegally" available a lot of places. They seem to always be on YouTube. The early seasons are well worth checking out. There are a bunch of weak filler episodes through the whole run, but when it's good it's really good.

The thing is, EVERY show has filler episodes. You can't judge a show by its filler episodes, but by its actual meat. But yeah, Garbageman and Nano always irritated me. Ugh. And the damn Justice League knockoff...

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The thing is, EVERY show has filler episodes. You can't judge a show by its filler episodes, but by its actual meat. But yeah, Garbageman and Nano always irritated me. Ugh. And the damn Justice League knockoff...

Oh, absolutely. Any show, especially ones that have an average of 20-something episodes a season, will have filler episodes. And many of them will be pretty lousy.

At its absolute strongest, I still think the 2003 series did it better than all (or at least most) of the other adaptations. Aside from IDW, perhaps. It wasn't perfect, but it stayed pretty true to its origins and wasn't afraid to go to some dark places. (To the point of having an episode and a proposed episode effectively banned from television, even!)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

Oh, absolutely. Any show, especially ones that have an average of 20-something episodes a season, will have filler episodes. And many of them will be pretty lousy.

At its absolute strongest, I still think the 2003 series did it better than all (or at least most) of the other adaptations. Aside from IDW, perhaps. It wasn't perfect, but it stayed pretty true to its origins and wasn't afraid to go to some dark places. (To the point of having an episode and a proposed episode effectively banned from television, even!)

Absolutely. I think "Nightmares Recycled" would've gone a long way to making Garbageman a more interesting character.

Yeah, Mirage/Image, IDW, and 4Kids. That's my TMNT.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Absolutely. I think "Nightmares Recycled" would've gone a long way to making Garbageman a more interesting character.

Oh man, it'd be so interesting to actually see that made. I don't know if it would've been good exactly, but it would have been interesting. And salvaging the Garbageman alone would make the effort worth it.

But yeah, even just of the episodes that aired, "Insane in the Membrane," "The Darkness Within," and the Shredder being decapitated on-screen (even with a twist) -- there were a bunch of episodes that were almost begging the censors to breathe fire at them. I will always appreciate the writers for pushing things as far as they did on that show.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah, Mirage/Image, IDW, and 4Kids. That's my TMNT.

Yeah, pretty much the same here. Though I'd throw the 1990 movie in with that list too, personally.

[The Deadman]

I'm kinda excited for this one, mainly to see what kind of impact Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady actually have in the film. Oh and this is coming from someone who didn't have any hope whatsoever from the last film and actually enjoyed it after the fact.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

Oh man, it'd be so interesting to actually see that made. I don't know if it would've been good exactly, but it would have been interesting. And salvaging the Garbageman alone would make the effort worth it.

But yeah, even just of the episodes that aired, "Insane in the Membrane," "The Darkness Within," and the Shredder being decapitated on-screen (even with a twist) -- there were a bunch of episodes that were almost begging the censors to breathe fire at them. I will always appreciate the writers for pushing things as far as they did on that show.



Yeah, pretty much the same here. Though I'd throw the 1990 movie in with that list too, personally.

I really wish 4Kids TMNT could have continued as is before all of the Dragon Spirits/Future Turtles/Cyber Turtles right-turns. I'd even take Season 5 as is if I had no other choice.

The writing was excellent, and Laird really helped keep things tight and professional. He's terrible on Volume 4, but when he's keeping other people in check, he's just awesome.

For me, the 1990 movie is not that great. Shredder's kinda laughable as a threat (stealing TVs), and from my perspective, only Mikey and Raph really get much characterization; I didn't like what they did (or rather didn't do) with Don and Leo. But Casey is amazing, Raph is so well done... it's the best TMNT movie to date, and now that Bay has the license, it's the best TMNT movie we'll ever get. So I'll live with it.

[CyberCubed]

Season 5 of 4kids was built up with in Season 4, it was a natural progression for the series. The show had already dealt in mystic elements with the Foot Mystics and Leo's Season 4 spiritual journey, so its expected to happen.

I don't see the problem with it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Season 5 of 4kids was built up with in Season 4, it was a natural progression for the series. The show had already dealt in mystic elements with the Foot Mystics and Leo's Season 4 spiritual journey, so its expected to happen.

I don't see the problem with it.

The finale has giant dragon spirits rampaging across the NYC skyline fighting a giant demon Shredder.

That is a huge left turn in tone. Mystic elements were built up, full-on Manga stuff was quite a different matter.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I think the point was that they were spiritually powerful enough to battle the tengu on his own turf. It's a common theme in spirit plane elements, especially in spiritual battles or when dealing with totemic powers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I think the point was that they were spiritually powerful enough to battle the tengu on his own turf. It's a common theme in spirit plane elements, especially in spiritual battles or when dealing with totemic powers.

I think if it had been depicted in a much more grounded manner, such as the way the Turtles fought the Mystics in "One Bad Day", it would have worked far better for my personal taste.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The finale has giant dragon spirits rampaging across the NYC skyline fighting a giant demon Shredder.

That is a huge left turn in tone. Mystic elements were built up, full-on Manga stuff was quite a different matter.

They had already fought the regular Shredder with regular martial arts like 5-6 times in the show at that point. Dealing with a Demon Shredder with anime powers and dragons was a change of pace.

Otherwise the fight with Demon Shredder would have just been a rehash of Ch'rell's fights with the Turtles. I'm not even much of an anime fan and I don't have a problem with it.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The dragon fight was stupid... they should have just had the turtles team up with Hamato Yoshi's ghost and use their magic powers instead of "regular martial arts".

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

aside from the dragon fight the demon shredder arc was one of my faves...sure they had explored the mystic turtles previously..but the drgon fight was out of left field..they could done something a little more creative and used the turtles themselves

[IndigoErth]

Nothing noteworthy, but found the trailer in my 'On Demand' trailers section (Comcast). Surprised to find it there this early.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Season 5 of 4kids was built up with in Season 4, it was a natural progression for the series. The show had already dealt in mystic elements with the Foot Mystics and Leo's Season 4 spiritual journey, so its expected to happen.

I don't see the problem with it.

Like clockwork, Cubed arrives to defend the 4Kids series post-season 5.

For the record, I love the later seasons. But they were a little silly, especially Fast Forward.

[Powder]

5 deserves to be defended.

Original content > watered down Mirage adaptions

[Candy Kappa]

Season 5 was pretty fun, but the ending wasn't all that.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Powder

5 deserves to be defended.

Original content > watered down Mirage *adaptations*

Good point.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Season 5 was pretty fun, but the ending wasn't all that.

Definitely fun, for sure.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Powder

5 deserves to be defended.

Original content > watered down Mirage adaptions

I think we're on opposite sides of this spectrum. For me, it's a step down in writing. Not as bad as the "Sons of the Silent Episode" (worst watered-down Mirage episode, pun intended) but pretty atrocious.

EIGHT new characters are introduced (the Tribunal plus the four human acolytes), given little to no true character development, and then unceremoniously killed off in just a few episodes. For "shock value."

That, and all the spirit stuff... it's too heavy for me. TMNT works best when it always one foot firmly in each world, and this season completely left ALL non mystical story arcs and characters.