The Umbrella Academy (Netflix TV series)

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, the whole thing with Harlen was a stretch. Somehow was the one who killed all of their mothers, despite no reason to be connected to anyone other than Vanya. Somehow seems to have additional powers beyond Vanya even though she'd given it to him in the first place, and had taken (most of) it back. And somehow gained speech and better cognitive function, totally unexplained... And of course Allison just kills him like it's a nonissue....damn girl, wtf. Hopefully he also got to return and go back to a life before having powers.

Honestly, if Elliot Page was no longer comfortable playing a female character, having Harlen kill only Vanya's mother would have been a way to remove the character from the series.


Also... what's with the steering wheels seen on the wrong side of cars. Is this supposed to be some sign of being in a "wrong" time line?

[frank_one]

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by frank_one

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?

That's what I'm saying. And whether it's them preemptively changing Vanya to Victor to be sensitive to her situation or it's Page telling them she's not down with playing a woman anymore... either way it's f***ed up and stupid and the wrong move, period.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Yeah, the whole thing with Harlen was a stretch. Somehow was the one who killed all of their mothers, despite no reason to be connected to anyone other than Vanya.

Yeah, I don't get it. Better to just leave it a mystery than to do this non-thing.

Somehow seems to have additional powers beyond Vanya even though she'd given it to him in the first place, and had taken (most of) it back. And somehow gained speech and better cognitive function, totally unexplained... And of course Allison just kills him like it's a nonissue....damn girl, wtf. Hopefully he also got to return and go back to a life before having powers.

Could very well be what happens there. But... do we really need him? Do we want him?

Honestly, if Elliot Page was no longer comfortable playing a female character, having Harlen kill only Vanya's mother would have been a way to remove the character from the series.

That would have been a fine out for her. And actually you could just about remove Vanya and Harlan from the season and you wouldn't lose too much.

Also... what's with the steering wheels seen on the wrong side of cars. Is this supposed to be some sign of being in a "wrong" time line?

I didn't notice that.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If it's the former, f*** her, she's an actress. Playing made up parts. Recast and move on. If it's the latter, f*** them. This is not the way it's supposed to work. If Benedict Cumberbatch reveals he's become a vegan that doesn't mean go and make Dr. Strange into one, too. That's retarded on its face.

She is an attention whore. Probably mental.
At least that's my default stance, when famous people "reveal" such stuff about themselves.

Originally Posted by frank_one

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?

Ellen is crazy and / or attention whoring and creators of the series are glad to help her, since it will let them score additional points from Twatter.

If she was "normal" (as far as trans can be normal anyway), she'd continue to play a role with no issues. Or, ideally, I'd expect producers to kick her out for ****ing up a character.

[ProphetofGanja]

Just popping in for the obligatory reminder that this show is hot, stylistic garbage set to a begrudgingly decent soundtrack and the original comics are better (albeit weirder).

And I'm out!

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Just popping in for the obligatory reminder that this show is hot, stylistic garbage set to a begrudgingly decent soundtrack and the original comics are better (albeit weirder).

And I'm out!

https://c.tenor.com/GXvYgMb0HCEAAAAC...sappearing.gif

More or less my thoughts, even before the Vanya-Elliot stuff. I watched season 1, and was incredibly underwhelmed. I didn't hate it, just thought it was an overall bore. I mostly just liked Sheehan and Page's performances, and was lukewarm to the others even though I thought they had potential. It seems the show got worse as it went along.

[Andrew NDB]

Renewed for fourth and FINAL season:

https://tvline.com/2022/08/25/the-um...GEgBIYtxMYmm0E

[Andrew NDB]

So the final season is out. Anybody watch it?

[IndigoErth]

Not yet, presently rewatching it from the start as a refresher first.

[CyberCubed]

Watched the end, they basically use time travel to reboot the entire universe to stop all the alternate timelines from happening. Since every time they jump a new apocalypse will keep starting one after another, so I guess it is fitting.

A lot of characters were underused in this final season, granted it was only 6 eps long, but still Diego and Luthor barely got anything to do. Allison also didn't do much the final season either. 5 and Lila were a weird odd couple and Klaus is basically just entertaining as usual. Victor/Vanya is meh as usual.

I guess it's as fitting an ending as this show could get.

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen a lot of people mad about this season online. I finished episode 3 last night and it seems OK. Not as frenetic and weird as earlier seasons, but I'm good with that. Got a few good chuckles out of me so far.

[CyberCubed]

I swear Ellen/Eliot Page is the worst actor on this show. In all 4 seasons she/he has the same bland expression on her face no matter who she is talking to, even when she's angry or trying to show emotion. Every other actor actual emotes and shows emotion, Vanya/Victor is bland.

Kind of baffling since I heard Ellen Page was this amazing actress and the only thing I've seen of her prior is in the X-men movies so I don't have much to judge her on.

[Andrew NDB]

Finished the series finale.

Spoiler:

That's their ending? Ending it with a big suicide pact with all of them? What is it with wacky leftists ending their shows like this? "The Good Place" did the same thing out of nowhere. Also, clearly the writers had just freshly played through the game "Scorn." These writers... they couldn't come with anything better than "They all kill themselves so it can all go back to normal" after all these years? These guys are hacks.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I swear Ellen/Eliot Page is the worst actor on this show. In all 4 seasons she/he has the same bland expression on her face no matter who she is talking to, even when she's angry or trying to show emotion. Every other actor actual emotes and shows emotion, Vanya/Victor is bland.

Kind of baffling since I heard Ellen Page was this amazing actress and the only thing I've seen of her prior is in the X-men movies so I don't have much to judge her on.

Juno was good. Vanya was interesting in season 1... and never since.

[CyberCubed]

It's basically implied that they're all re-born under the same timeline, and will eventually meet with each other again.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's basically implied that they're all re-born under the same timeline, and will eventually meet with each other again.

In the same way if I'm reborn if reincarnation is real. Meanwhile I'm still dead and who I am is still gone and whoever I will become won't be the same person.

[IndigoErth]

Finished it last night. Was okay, not that strong of an ending though.

I really wish they stopped making Allison such an asshole. I get in the previous season she was dealing with stuff, but she got what she wanted (though it was dumb to say her 2nd husband walked out on them to dismiss the actor not being present), so what has she even got to be so bitchy about now? And Vanya/Viktor could not possibly be more annoying and bland once the Vanya ark finished up, and just kept on being unlikeable. We get it, you were scarred as a kid, that doesn't mean you need to make sour grapes your default.

And funny isn't it... how once Viktor was no longer a girl, the emotion-based aspect of her/his power and an inability to control it for being "too emotional" kind of vanished. As a female viewer that's a tad insulting. (Was annoying enough to lose out on already too few female members of the main cast. At least I guess Lila lost the villain angle and was more part of the group this last season.)


Klaus remains my favorite, though I wish he got to do a bit more. I was afraid this season was his turn to be annoying, but at least that didn't stick.

What is up with the new/changed powers? Lila... super random laser eyes. And why was Klaus' added ability levitation/flight, that's barely even touched on, rather than... I dunno, resurrecting people?

Had hoped they'd go more into the alien backstory. Likewise why the hell Jennifer ended up in a squid.




Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I really wish they stopped making Allison such an asshole.

I think she must have been quietly pregnant IRL during this season. They bundle her up in tons of clothes in EVERY shot of every scene and she looks fairly bloated and they never ask much of her. She doesn't even do "I heard a rumor" once, it's barely even teased.

The sad part is it looks like they made the Diego actor wear baggy clothes and fat stuff underneath them so as to make her "not alone" in that. There's even fat jokes to that end. And then he's obviously not actually fat in the shirtless CIA fight scene, so they must have just stopped bothering with the ruse.

Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?

Yep, that's a good point. And the "they fractured the timeline" is just a retcon they're introducing this season. There wasn't any alternate timelines until the very end of season 1.

[CyberCubed]

That's the thing, in this final season they were in yet another new timeline, yet Allison's daughter still exists. So some things carry over? Same reason Sloane mysteriously vanished from the end of Season 3 despite traveling through the portal (the writers did say they would use her if this season got 10 eps like the others), and how did Ray appear from the 1960's to 2019/2020? He was the same age so did he travel through time or something.

All those Number 5's in the cafe already imply this happened hundreds/thousands of times already anyway, so this isn't even the original version of all the characters. We met like the 500th incarnation or something.

As for Klaus, anyone surprised we went all 4 seasons without him being in a homosexual relationship? There were only some flashbacks in season 1, but despite his character being what could have been a "flaming homo" they didn't give him a love interest all series. Even most of his cult followers in the 60's were all female. And the only time he sleeps with anyone is women, like that black woman with him this season.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?

In this new timeline, the marigold was never released so they didn't get infected. Though I do wonder why the marigold in the other timelines didn't need to be destroyed as well.

[IndigoErth]

They're probably perpetually screwed either way. Did you guys catch the post-credits scene?

Spoiler:

A bunch of actual Merigolds magically spouted up in a matter of seconds at the very end, at the base of the tree seen before the credits, and started shedding that stuff all over again. The number of flowers maybe not a coincidence?

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

As for Klaus, anyone surprised we went all 4 seasons without him being in a homosexual relationship? There were only some flashbacks in season 1, but despite his character being what could have been a "flaming homo" they didn't give him a love interest all series. Even most of his cult followers in the 60's were all female. And the only time he sleeps with anyone is women, like that black woman with him this season.

You forgot about his Vietnam soldier boyfriend, Dave, who died in his arms, huh? And the younger Dave who he was later making uncomfortable by trying to convince him not to enlist, but ultimately Klaus can't change that.