Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If Feige wishes for Born Again season 2 to be the final season, sure.

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.

But her father was already in season 1 and they kind of let door open for future crossovers at end of that episode

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

But her father was already in season 1 and they kind of let door open for future crossovers at end of that episode

That "continuity nod" isn't an "instant pass" for any of the valid points above though.

You have to understand that, right? That's like being baited by content that no one wants but it's instantly what? Desirable? Because there was a nod to it somewhere else? Huh?

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

That "continuity nod" isn't an "instant pass" for any of the valid points above though.

You have to understand that, right? That's like being baited by content that no one wants but it's instantly what? Desirable? Because there was a nod to it somewhere else? Huh?

Well I am not saying that Ms Marvel is good show because I only watched few episodes and it was when they come out so I barely remember and I watched Marvels movie when it come out and it is not best movie probably, I just think her father appeared here so Matt could interact with more characters from wider MCU

[nidza_maj2000]

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

Her father was in season 1 because the folks at Marvel have turned the "universe continuity" into a cliche. They did it because her family and Daredevil reside in-proximity to each other in New York and they felt that it would pad Ms. Marvel as an I.P.

Basically it's cross-marketing. And even if that brief appearance was setup for a "story", it's disinteresting at best. Sometimes several things are true at the same time:

Imagine a show runner going "we can put Ms. Marvel's dad in the show as a nod to the "fans" and they'll LOVE it (cliche as hell)! AND if it turns into a future crossover then that's cool too!".

It's all turned into bull$#!(, man.

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

I just think her father appeared here so Matt could interact with more characters from wider MCU

I mean... yeah exactly. But that doesn't mean that the interactions make sense or are actually desired by fans.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Her father was in season 1 because the folks at Marvel have turned the "universe continuity" into a cliche. They did it because her family and Daredevil reside in-proximity to each other in New York and they felt that it would pad Ms. Marvel as an I.P.

Basically it's cross-marketing. And even if that brief appearance was setup for a "story", it's disinteresting at best. Sometimes several things are true at the same time:

Imagine a show runner going "we can put Ms. Marvel's dad in the show as a nod to the "fans" and they'll LOVE it (cliche as hell)! AND if it turns into a future crossover then that's cool too!".

It's all turned into bull$#!(, man.

Well I said my opinion about Marvels movie above this comment

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Well I said my opinion about Marvels movie above this comment

All I know about the Marvel's flick can be summed up in heuristics:

-diversity agenda movie. Unarguably reflected in the box office and lack of fan--interest
-Kamala Khan no longer has "fun, street level stretchy powers" but instead now has the "Quantum bands" taken from a cult classic, male, blonde haired fan-favorite character
-Brie Larson

That was it. That was all I needed to know to never pay for it.

But again, to your point - yes, crossover marketing.
But that doesn't mean that Kamala Khan "needed" a Daredevil appearance, or that it was even "logical".

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Oh god, you might be right.

Oh they will absolutely do it. Ms. Marvel has failed financially and with fan-sentiment at literally EVERYthing they've shoe-horned her into. And they keep doing it.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

So I get what you mean but Ms Marvel did not exist as series set in MCU 10 years ago but you are right it might not be good series

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

I feel ya. I lasted even a while past Endgame. Somewhere around Moon Knight (a show that seemingly only exists to give us "The First Egyptian Woman Superhero!" at the end and seems completely uninterested in its titular hero) and "Werewolf by Night" I was done spinoff stuff that clearly looked dodgy. I haven't seen any of Ms. Marvel, Agatha, Ironheart, and never finished Werewolf by Night. Somehow I finished Secret Invasions but boy, that was tough.

[Drose18]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I haven't seen any of Ms. Marvel, Agatha, Ironheart, and never finished Werewolf by Night. Somehow I finished Secret Invasions but boy, that was tough.

I actually really enjoyed Agatha for the most part. It certainly didn't feel like a marvel project tho.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Why do you think it like this? Just curious and I respect your opinion but do you think that Ms Marvel characters should not be in this show? If yes than why?

Ms. Marvel is a mess of a character. They've tried everything with her including appropriating the "Quantum Bands" and practically ruining the possibility of Wendell Vaughn as Quasar on-screen.

How does that relate? Ms. Marvel has been put in street-level situations, team-level situations and resulted in a "cosmic character" that no one cares about. And all of that wasn't done because she's "so versatile", but rather because they can't make the character work in any paradigm. Next thing up will be trying to shoe-horn her into the "X-Men".

Ms. Marvel in Daredevil is just more of a mess, proving that they can't make that character work even if they keep forcing her into content. As I normally try to say too - nothing against the actress - she's entirely likeable and fun, but that character began as "diversity push", evolved into "disinteresting cliche" and now resides firmly in "insulting replacement character" alongside Phylla-Vell as "Quasar".

And even if someone didn't care about any of that? Putting her with DD is as disappointing as the She-Hulk fiasco where there are a lot of other characters we'd rather see him running around on-screen with.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Ms. Marvel has been put in street-level situations, team-level situations and resulted in a "cosmic character" that no one cares about. And all of that wasn't done because she's "so versatile", but rather because they can't make the character work in any paradigm. Next thing up will be trying to shoe-horn her into the "X-Men".

Oh god, you might be right.