Marvel Studios Daredevil Born Again

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No disrespect as you clearly would disagree, but Ms. Marvel sucked and was an abject failure. The Marvels also sucked and was an abject failure. Born Again already starting out with rocky ratings, throwing probably the least popular character in the MCU next to maybe Ironheart at season 2 is probably not the best idea on any front.

But her father was already in season 1 and they kind of let door open for future crossovers at end of that episode

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

But her father was already in season 1 and they kind of let door open for future crossovers at end of that episode

That "continuity nod" isn't an "instant pass" for any of the valid points above though.

You have to understand that, right? That's like being baited by content that no one wants but it's instantly what? Desirable? Because there was a nod to it somewhere else? Huh?

[nidza_maj2000]

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

That "continuity nod" isn't an "instant pass" for any of the valid points above though.

You have to understand that, right? That's like being baited by content that no one wants but it's instantly what? Desirable? Because there was a nod to it somewhere else? Huh?

Well I am not saying that Ms Marvel is good show because I only watched few episodes and it was when they come out so I barely remember and I watched Marvels movie when it come out and it is not best movie probably, I just think her father appeared here so Matt could interact with more characters from wider MCU

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

Her father was in season 1 because the folks at Marvel have turned the "universe continuity" into a cliche. They did it because her family and Daredevil reside in-proximity to each other in New York and they felt that it would pad Ms. Marvel as an I.P.

Basically it's cross-marketing. And even if that brief appearance was setup for a "story", it's disinteresting at best. Sometimes several things are true at the same time:

Imagine a show runner going "we can put Ms. Marvel's dad in the show as a nod to the "fans" and they'll LOVE it (cliche as hell)! AND if it turns into a future crossover then that's cool too!".

It's all turned into bull$#!(, man.

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

I just think her father appeared here so Matt could interact with more characters from wider MCU

I mean... yeah exactly. But that doesn't mean that the interactions make sense or are actually desired by fans.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Her father was in season 1 because the folks at Marvel have turned the "universe continuity" into a cliche. They did it because her family and Daredevil reside in-proximity to each other in New York and they felt that it would pad Ms. Marvel as an I.P.

Basically it's cross-marketing. And even if that brief appearance was setup for a "story", it's disinteresting at best. Sometimes several things are true at the same time:

Imagine a show runner going "we can put Ms. Marvel's dad in the show as a nod to the "fans" and they'll LOVE it (cliche as hell)! AND if it turns into a future crossover then that's cool too!".

It's all turned into bull$#!(, man.

Well I said my opinion about Marvels movie above this comment

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Ms. Marvel has been put in street-level situations, team-level situations and resulted in a "cosmic character" that no one cares about. And all of that wasn't done because she's "so versatile", but rather because they can't make the character work in any paradigm. Next thing up will be trying to shoe-horn her into the "X-Men".

Oh god, you might be right.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Well I said my opinion about Marvels movie above this comment

All I know about the Marvel's flick can be summed up in heuristics:

-diversity agenda movie. Unarguably reflected in the box office and lack of fan--interest
-Kamala Khan no longer has "fun, street level stretchy powers" but instead now has the "Quantum bands" taken from a cult classic, male, blonde haired fan-favorite character
-Brie Larson

That was it. That was all I needed to know to never pay for it.

But again, to your point - yes, crossover marketing.
But that doesn't mean that Kamala Khan "needed" a Daredevil appearance, or that it was even "logical".

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Oh god, you might be right.

Oh they will absolutely do it. Ms. Marvel has failed financially and with fan-sentiment at literally EVERYthing they've shoe-horned her into. And they keep doing it.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, just slide her into the background of X-Men where she wouldn't be so front and center that it'd be obnoxious. A tolerable level of Ms. Marvel. Then if/when it's a big success, they can try and parlay that into more Ms. Marvel stuff because "X-Men was a hit!"

[nidza_maj2000]

What do you guys think about Matt appearances in She Hulk episodes?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

What do you guys think about Matt appearances in She Hulk episodes?

I was looking forward to it. Remember, this was the first new Daredevil we'd gotten in years. I mean, honestly I was chuckling throughout it. At times. Everything about the episode with the Frog Man guy and the trial and the goofy stuff with the costumer was horrible, but when it was just Daredevil and She Hulk doing their thing it wasn't too bad.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I was looking forward to it. Remember, this was the first new Daredevil we'd gotten in years. I mean, honestly I was chuckling throughout it. At times. Everything about the episode with the Frog Man guy and the trial and the goofy stuff with the costumer was horrible, but when it was just Daredevil and She Hulk doing their thing it wasn't too bad.

Yeah, it was good to see Matt having some fun in his life but after he returned to New York his life was again turned in hell because Foggy was killed

[nidza_maj2000]

So basically is Kamala father making appearance in episode 5 also meant to make viewers watch Ms Marvel series and Marvels movie maybe? Because they know that people who watch Daredevil Born Again and seeing character from another series might help Ms Marvel and Marvels to get more views?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

so basically is kamala father making appearance in episode 5 also meant to make viewers watch ms marvel series and marvels movie maybe? Because they know that people who watch daredevil born again and seeing character from another series might help ms marvel and marvels to get more views?

yes.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

yes.

Okay, we will see what will happen in season 2 if they do something further with setup from this episode I would not mind it but if Kamala or her family members also does not appear I would not mind either

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Okay, we will see what will happen in season 2 if they do something further with setup from this episode I would not mind it but if Kamala or her family members also does not appear I would not mind either

Question - is every easter egg and appearance in a Marvel show or movie actually "setup" for something else?

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Question - is every easter egg and appearance in a Marvel show or movie actually "setup" for something else?

Well I would not say that, what do you think?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So why do you guys think her father is in season 1?

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

So I get what you mean but Ms Marvel did not exist as series set in MCU 10 years ago but you are right it might not be good series

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I’m sure there’s still plenty of people like this, but 10 years ago that episode would have caused me to binge all of Ms. Marvel in a weekend just to get the whole story, even if it kinda sucked.

Now my free time is so constrained that I wouldn’t dare waste my free time on garbage. I’m totally fine with having holes in my MCU collection, post-Endgame.

I feel ya. I lasted even a while past Endgame. Somewhere around Moon Knight (a show that seemingly only exists to give us "The First Egyptian Woman Superhero!" at the end and seems completely uninterested in its titular hero) and "Werewolf by Night" I was done spinoff stuff that clearly looked dodgy. I haven't seen any of Ms. Marvel, Agatha, Ironheart, and never finished Werewolf by Night. Somehow I finished Secret Invasions but boy, that was tough.