Spider-Man 3 - UK-Exclusive DVD on Page 37

[RaphistheBest]

Originally Posted by bullet

don't really see how tobey was being emo in the role of peter parker...eyeliner and black clothes (to go with symbiote) aside. but i think those were just devices to convey another side of him. he seemed way too out there to be emo...it'd appear that emo's the cool word to throw around these days...anything and anyone can be arbitrarily labeled emo.

For me, emo isn't a word I throw around because it's cool to do so. That's how he looked. And emos are out there. One of the things that really pushed the emo thing for me was that he wanted to get back at MJ for hurting him so bad. Sure people go to great lengths to get back at people but the fact that he used music....come on.

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

It was the hair. Had he done something different with his hair there wouldn't be the finishing touch (visually) for people to call him Emo.

Yes it was the hair. It nearly ruined the movie for me. I can't stand emos. However, Goongasnootch did point something out while I bitched about it during the movie. His pants weren't tight enough.

[GK Punk]

It ruined the movie for you because of his hair? wow. Thanks I needed a laugh.

[Roseangelo]

I totally loved the emo hair, even if only for its comedic value.

[bullet]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I totally loved the emo hair, even if only for its comedic value.

i liked it, period...lol. thought it was a much better look for him. tobey, i meant...not necessarily peter parker.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by bullet

don't really see how tobey was being emo in the role of peter parker

Totally forgot to comment on this one, but 'emo' = 'a heightened tendency to be moody'. Ridiculous, right? So, by saying that being under the influence of the symbiote made Peter 'emo' is our way of poking fun at the term, much like GK's signature image. BTW, 'GK' is 'Michi Heavenly' in case you didn't know. But, who doesn't know about Grunger Kitty, the legendary name-changeaholic? ^_^

[RaphistheBest]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

It ruined the movie for you because of his hair? wow. Thanks I needed a laugh.

It didn't ruin the movie but it really sickened me. I just don't like emos that much. I'm not trying to say that I don't find humor in things that make fun of emos. For instance: I LOVE your signature. Hilarious .

[GK Punk]

Thanks, to me there is nothing more hilarious
His eyes are even shaped like tears

[Anarky]

I finally got around to seeing this film. It's been on for about two weeks now over here, but since I prefer to see movies with little to no people in the theatre with me, I usually wait. So anticipation flying high, I went in and there were, apart from me and my friend, about three other people. So it was good.

The movie itself... I'm kinda split about it. The action scenes were fantastic and we went "Oh man, that's gotta hurt!" more than once. The scenes at the Daily Bugle and Peter's "I'm so bloody fantastic"-walk were awesome too, but the rest was boring. I'm pretty sure the scenes would have been good in other movies, but compared to the fantastic scenes we got to see when nobody was crying or talking nonsense about emotional whatevers, the whole relationship plot was rather dull.

Although, the actors were great and the characters they played were well-portrayed. And I couldn't believe how much Bruce Campbell had aged. I almost didn't recognize him.

[Duke]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the symbiote in context with its relationship with Peter Parker. It is supposed to make his repressed tendency more natural. Peter isn’t necessarily the “nice” guy, he portrays. Remember it is a constant struggle for him not to let his strength and powerful overwhelm him. Peter is human and has tons of rage like almost everyone (like when he wanted to kill his uncle’s “killer” in the first movie). But thankfully he is constantly reminded by his beloved uncle “with great power comes great responsibility.” He represses that rage and anger and does his best to be a true hero. However, rage/anger isn’t the only emotion Peter represses. Deep down inside he still see’s himself as a nerd, science geek, and someone who got picked on in high school. But that isn’t what he wants.

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That’s why we see him absolutely revealing in the praise he receives as Spider-Man, which is the cause of the majority of his conflict with MJ.

I think the reason the Symbiote made Peter act the way he did is because it pushed those issues to the front of his conscience. Peter wanted to be the “cool kid” and he wanted all the eyes and attention focused on him. I think all the actions and behaviors Peter displayed during this time were a wonderful adaption of the symbiote's influence and control over Peter. For this reason, I agree 100% with Zarius in seeing the Symbiote as the main bad guy in the movie. As it not only affects Spider-Man's life but also the much more personal elements of Peter's life.

Amazing movie.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Anarky

I'm pretty sure the scenes would have been good in other movies, but compared to the fantastic scenes we got to see when nobody was crying or talking nonsense about emotional whatevers, the whole relationship plot was rather dull.

It's almost like people don't understand that Spider-Man is more about the human side of things, than the action-packed super hero side of it.

[Anarky]

Yeah, but if you want to make a movie about the human side, turn down the breathtaking action we got to see, so that the human scenes appear to have more of an impact. That's why I said they'd probably be good in any other movie. It felt like an action movie with an overplayed drama angle and not, according to you, a drama with action scenes. Maybe it didn't help that the drama scenes were totally shallow. The conversations they had sounded like stuff you'd see in a daily soap. But then again, those scenes can work, when put in a appropriate context.

It's not a bad movie, I just expected more from it.

[Tabularasa]

I think people do understand about the human side. Personally I felt no chemistry at all between Peter and MJ. So I really didn't care about their relationship. Tobey is ok, Kirsten is horrible. The movie was just not well acted at all except for maybe Harry. I felt this movie was just all over the place. If it was shortened and either Sandman or Venom were taken out, it would've been a better movie.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by gobo

Totally forgot to comment on this one, but 'emo' = 'a heightened tendency to be moody'. Ridiculous, right?

Actually it means worse then that
Emotional Music Only. And I got that straight form a Emo's mouth.

I know you guys don't care what critics say but even the good reviews are pointing out the same errors the movie has as everyone else is saying.

Oh and this movie banked this weekend 158 Mil wow.

[Zog the Equalizer]

My biggest complaint with this movie is Topher Grace. I realy hate that guy. Eddie brock was surposed to be huge and angry not tiny and arogant. My favorite part was when

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he was incinerated...its a shame the symbiote went with him though

[Spawn Guy]

Their playing him more as the anti Peter Parker the quickest way possible, since they don't have time to go into the long history of parental neglect that made Brock so attention seeking, woe is me and fanatically religious in opposition to Peter's upbringing with May and Ben, the ability to blame himself for everything from the death of his uncle to mad cow disease and his struggle to keep taking responsibility no matter how hard it gets.

That and a large portion of Venom's character is arrogance, right next to hypocrisy. I'll go with Zarius' idea, if you don't know **** about Venom your in for a surprise when that tiny, arrogant jerk becomes the big bad anti Spidey.

Mind you I haven't seen the thing yet, so I'll wait until I see how Grace portrays Brock to make any real nitpicking, but that's the feeling I'm getting from what I'm reading. Especially in the novel.

[Zog the Equalizer]

^ dont get me wrong i understand Venom's arrogance. I just hate Grace with a fireiy passion. plus they didnt have to change the fact that brock was a devout Catholic and make him an idiot blasphemer. Also it upset me that venom's voice didnt change when his face was covered and that he didnt refer to himself as we to prove that the symbiote is sentient.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Gisaku Kato

^ dont get me wrong i understand Venom's arrogance. I just hate Grace with a fireiy passion. plus they didnt have to change the fact that brock was a devout Catholic and make him an idiot blasphemer.

Sure they could. They changed Sandman for pete's sake.

[RaphistheBest]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

Thanks, to me there is nothing more hilarious
His eyes are even shaped like tears

Holy crap! I didn't even realize that! I just thought that they looked that way because the mask was pulled up so he could eat the pizza with those "vile mushrooms" .

[Inner City Blues]

Spider-Man 3 was horrible. They put too many subplots in this movie and it prevented development at any level. The next big problem was they would do things to characters to take them out of the picture so they could focus on other things.

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They gave Harry amnesia for what? Oh, so we could ignore his character and then we could create scenes with Sandman. They wash Sandman away for what? Was this to show some sort of weakness to water? No, it was just done so they could have him gone when Harry just "snaps" out of his amnesia. And let's not forget the worst reveal, the butler comes in years later to tell Harry his father killed himself, this is after he face is blown off and he's tried to kill his friends. Couldn't he have saved time and just told him this earlier (perhaps at the end of the first movie)? Again it was a convenient scene so that Harry can "redeem" himself at the end.

I see you question Sandman, but what was the point of Sandman? I know, he's the criminal with a heart of gold. He's not a bad person, he just made some bad decisions. But in making him into Uncle Ben's killer, doesn't that just turn Peter Parker into a murderer? Doesn't that destroy the whole origin? I thought it was supposed to be Peter Parker letting a criminal go and this criminal kills his uncle. He had the power to stop someone and he chose not to because he wanted revenge (the guy not paying him his money). Wasn't the whole idea to show how Spider-Man started out seeking revenge (letting the guy go, then killing the guy) and then later realizing "with great power comes great responsibility"? Suddenly Sandman comes in, erases all of that learning and it becomes about revenge again. We've done this plot already.

And when Sandman is there, he just meanders around the movie forming sandstorms and constantly grunts. Somehow we're supposed to believe the character has depth because he looks at a locket. After killing however many people, he walks up to Peter Parker with tears in his eye saying he's sorry. Peter forgives him and he blows away. Okay, so what about all those banks he robbed? Where'd the money go? What about all those people's he's hurt and killed? Is it okay now because he was just trying to rob banks to help his sick daughter? Sandman was completely pointless, he was nothing more than a plot device to bring in the "dark side" of Spider-Man in his search for revenge. But we've already done vengeance.

I guess we can talk about the symbiote. Some people didn't like the meteor conveniently being there, I didn't see a problem. But I would ask why go through the trouble of introducing J. Jonah Jameson's son as an astronaut in the previous movie. Couldn't they have used that in the third movie, bringing back a space sample or something? I would also question why Jameson complete ignores the fact that Mary Jane left his son at the altar and is now with the freelance photographer for his paper. But back to the symbiote, it was in his apartment for how long? It was the same thing as Harry's amnesia and Sandman disappearing. The symbiote was sitting around doing nothing for a good portion of the movie before it attached.

And when the symbiote finally attached, you didn't really learn anything about the turmoil. You didn't learn anything about what it really did to him. Peter said he felt powerful, that really means nothing because he just looked and did things like Spider-Man in a black suit. The director seemed to think by having Dr. Conners phone in periodically, you are somehow learning about the symbiote. It's supposed to make Peter more aggressive (how did he learn this from the sample) and the movie takes this as Peter changing his hairstyle, winking at women, and gyrating his hips on the street.

And this just ties in with Brock. The character had such little face time the hatred for Peter Parker was just forced. There was no real emotional build to how he could completely be broken down. The audience laughed when he was asking Jesus to kill Peter Parker since it really comes out of left field. There was no development of Brock as Peter Parker's competition. And then he becomes Venom, who just happens to team up with Sandman out of nowhere. Somehow we're supposed to believe that Sandman just believes Brock when he says Spider-Man is against him helping his daughter. Sandman will just ignore the idea that people are trying to stop him for robbing banks, or his murder of Uncle Ben... nope, it's because they want his daughter to remain sick, Venom told me so.

Now the fight scenes in the movie were good, but the development of the characters was so poorly handled. There were many good scenes in the movie, but that was all. As standalones you could watch a scene and say it was good, but they were stitched together into a disjointed movie that allowed for nothing to develop. As I said before, they should have saved Venom for the fourth movie, it's ridiculous to do a movie about the black suit with Venom when you haven't had Eddie Brock in previous movies. You use the third movie to develop the rivalry between the two. The third movie should be about Harry and the symbiote. Make the great climax Spider-Man in the black suit fighting his friend and killing him (or almost killing him). Then you can have him get rid of the suit in the church. At the very end, Eddie gets the suit and becomes Venom. Show Venom in all his glory, roll the credits. I would have left fighting Venom and Sandman out.

The fourth movie could then be about fighting the symbiote that hates him along with Eddie Brock, someone else who hates him. And then you can serve all your fans with the line, "We are Venom." Nope, they wasted it by rushing a storyline that should have taken time to develop. It should have been developed the way they developed Harry into the Green Goblin.

Alas, Spider-Man 3 joins the other bad thirds:

Superman 3

Batman Forever

Blade Trinity

Terminator 3 (They should have never made it)

X-Men 3

Sad really.

[Voltron]

You make several good points, Blues. That was pretty profound. I can see what you're saying about everything. The more I reflect on it, the more disappointed I am with the ending, too. Oh well.