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Old 05-05-2007, 06:26 PM   #561
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Old 05-05-2007, 06:28 PM   #562
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Okay peoples. Let's take a breath, calm down and not fight. We'll discuss, not fight, and allll will be well.

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Old 05-06-2007, 12:18 AM   #563
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There were a lot of talkers at my show, too. Some little kids, some teens. It was only the 5:15 show and it looked to be sold out. Some crowd reactions were awesome, though. I swear the entire theater actually booed when
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Yea, I know the pain of talkers. I've had so many movies ruined because of talkers. My boyfriend and I went with a couple of friends on Friday and we were the fourth group in line waiting for the movie to get out. There were a group of guys that were high school juniors that of course were acting like jackasses. You know the type: prep/jocks that will look at each other and yell "Ooooohhhh!" and then giggle at each other. God I wanted to bash them all in the head. During the movie they sat in the middle of the theater apparently so they could gain maxium annoyance. There were a number of times that I heard people telling them to shut up and we were sitting up in the top row.

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These jackasses even sat and laughed at the part where Harry told Peter about him being the other guy and someone turned around and told them to shut the f*ck up because it wasn't funny and then like the immature assholes they were they laughed some more. God I hate people like that.

One thing that I have to say that I absolutely hated was the fact that they took the whole emo Pete thing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. I mean, did they really have to do that retarded emo hairdo??? Seriously. It almost ruined it for me...I'm not joking.

Then the part where MJ kissed Harry everyone in the theater was like "Oh crap." and someone even said "You whore!" really loud and that got a laugh out of everyone. My friend Frank actually told Spidey that he was a complete idiot when he told Gwen to "Lay one me. They'll love it."
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:25 AM   #564
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I'm hestiant to see this film for 2 reasons 1. I didn like Spiderman 2 that much 2. They said SM3 was just a love story with "Oh did we forget to tell you Venom is in this movie" plot.... can anyone who has seen it give me the low down on what can I expect.


And if Toby is as emo in the role of Peter as some said then Im gonna hate him playing Spiderman even more lol
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:34 AM   #565
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I'm hestiant to see this film for 2 reasons 1. I didn like Spiderman 2 that much 2. They said SM3 was just a love story with "Oh did we forget to tell you Venom is in this movie" plot.... can anyone who has seen it give me the low down on what can I expect.ol
The film has more right to say "We're a dramatic comic based story that pleases purists" than anything superficially entertaining like Fantastic Four. It's a true Marvel comic film, much like the first two.

I don't want to go off on another anti-Venom rant, so I'll just say Raimi adapts the Alien Coustume storyline very well and succesfully intergrates that part with the other arcs occuring. If you think of the Symbiote as the main villain and not Venom, then his apperance makes more sense and his screen time (or lack thereof) is justifed.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:39 AM   #566
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Thank you my friend for giving me your insite on Spiderman 3
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:40 AM   #567
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Spider-Man.. Not... Spiderman

i actually liked the way they handled Venom for the film. I Was afraid that it was going to be horrible, and I'm not even much of a fan of Venom.
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:18 AM   #568
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Excellent movie....thats all I can say.

Although I may be a little biased toward the hero...(What can I say...I'm a fan ) I was pleased. Was a little nervous about hearing all the critics bashing the film saying how a movie like this couldn't hold the 3 story arcs together ... I like how Raimi integrated it all.

They did a good job with the Venom symbiote as well. (And Eddie Brock)

I hope there are more sequels...this seems to be Sony's/Columbia's Goldmine.

And I couldn't be happier for them.
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Old 05-06-2007, 02:44 AM   #569
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Just saw it today. I was a huge fan of Spidy 1 but was extremly dissapointed with Spidy 2. The love story felt like a broken record for 2 hours and Doc Ock was no where near good as the Green Goblin IMO. So I was suspicous of how the 3rd one would go.

I was acutally suprised how I liked this one. MJ is still extremly annoying, but she's not in the film as much like in 2. Personally I feel like Sandman was a waste. I feel like the only reason he was there was for CGI effects and the sympathty character. I don't know why they feel they need a character like Ock like Goblin, to say he's a good guy doing bad things. I mean I like that but it's been done already. Not to mention he basically dissapears for a portion of the film. I like Thomas Hayden Church but his acting was really wooden and hard to watch in this film.

Harry gets a lot more exposure then the 2nd film which is a plus for me. At first I really hated the amnesia part, it felt soap opery but they were able to have some good scenes with Peter and Harry as friends, I just wish they would've used something like Harry was pretending to be Pete's friend instead of the old amnesia cliche. I thought Topher was a good Brock. Sure he's not the mean buffed up version we all know, but I thought that after Peter screws him over, you kind of feel sorry for him. Venom did feel a little underused and I do like the character but I'm glad he acutally made it into one of the films.

Again, I wish Sandman wasn't the main baddie. There's 3 villians, they should've just made this film about Peter vs. Harry as that was the most interesting along with Venom IMO. Little nitpicks: Some of the lines were really bad but they got away with it. Next time some serious work needs to be done on the dialouge. Didn't like Harry's new Goblin mobile, which was like a snowboard. Felt a little like the silver surfer to me, but it didn't bother me that much. Emo Peter was a horrible idea. I know they were just trying to get the point across but they could've done it some other way. Also the scene were he is dancing in the street.....just pretend it never happened. Sure its funny but its also ridicolous. The symbonite is supposed to make him the bad side of Parker (like the scene in the resteraunt) not make him funny. The action scenes were really good and I think this is what saved the film, the 2 and a half hour time didn't help either. It didnt feel like it was that long, but there were times when it felt like things could've been cut out.

Okay that's all for now. I give it an 8. Think I'm being a little generous but overall a good popcorn summer flick but nothing that great and honsetly not worth all the money its getting. Better then 2, not as good as 1. Maybe cut this soap opera stuff if there is going to be a 4.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:03 AM   #570
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watched it. loved it. it was awesome.

don't really see how tobey was being emo in the role of peter parker...eyeliner and black clothes (to go with symbiote) aside. but i think those were just devices to convey another side of him. he seemed way too out there to be emo...it'd appear that emo's the cool word to throw around these days...anything and anyone can be arbitrarily labeled emo.
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That's pretty much exactly what it is.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:42 AM   #572
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It was the hair. Had he done something different with his hair there wouldn't be the finishing touch (visually) for people to call him Emo.

As for me, I saw Spidey 3 on Friday. I feel the same way about it that I feel about the recent TMNT movie: It was really awesome but I know it could've been so much more if the Director had his way. I enjoyed it immensely and I always will. However, when thinking of Spidey 3 I will also always think of what could've been.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:05 AM   #573
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There were a lot of talkers at my show, too. Some little kids, some teens. It was only the 5:15 show and it looked to be sold out. Some crowd reactions were awesome, though. I swear the entire theater actually booed when
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That's when my gal-pal quoted SNL...
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:08 PM   #574
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This isn't the thread for it, I know, but I loved Spider-Man 3... with the exception of the extraordinary amount of coincidences the plot requires us to swallow. Of all the places/people, the Venom meteorite happens to strike right next to Peter, then the precise moment the Sandman is running from the cops there just happens to be this dumptruck full of sand there, then this butler fellow appearing out of nowhere offering key exposition at the right moment... things of this nature.

Also pissed me off with Venom, and I know I'm not alone. I don't have any problem with the retooling of his origin, but the moment Brock became Venom, I wanted to see Venom through and through in what little screentime he's given -- instead, they keep doing this face morph to show Topher Grace's face instead of Venom's face.

I liked Spider-Man 1, I liked Spider-Man 2 better, and I'm not sure where to place SM3. It's not as "solid" as SM1 or SM2, but it's probably an even better time than either movie.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:48 PM   #575
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Yeah, spit. I've seen the second movie. I liked 3 more than one and two. Yes the emo dark paker was a bit lame, but they were trying to get their point across. They must appeal to a larger audience than just you. (young children)
Rami never cared about pleasing anyone he did what he wanted. That's why I respected him. I respect directors who don't let movie studios tell them what to do.

Why do so many people like 300? It has tons of action and no plot. That's the common movie now of days that everyone eats up. I expect Rami to deliver more then that. And he did, but I just didn't find it on par with #2. And if that young children comment is about me I got a few things I could say about that, and instead of jumping the gun and assuming it is I'll just say that a PG-13 movie shouldn't appeal to young children. The less children in the theater during any movie the better.

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Well, there are more action scenes to level out the drama, so yeah, I think you should give it a shot.
There's only more action because it's a half hour longer. I actually think #2 has more action in it or around the same. Though I more recently watched 2.1 which is a re-cut that has extended fight scenes*And their really cool actually*

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I could hardly stand 2. Way too many minor annoyances as well as the fact that they over-accentuated the drama.
What annoyed you, out of curiosity? And how was the drama any more over accentuated then this movies? This one was worse in that aspect I thought. Then again you said it has more action then drama and that just proves you fit into the stereotype above of people liking movies better when it's mindless entertainment.

Sorry if I'm a bit harsh but I look at movies as a form of art, and when I see bad art recognized more then good art simply because of who was involved in it I get a little aggressive.

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You know I didn't even think of it that way. I'll have that mind set next time I watch it, I might enjoy it more.
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:53 PM   #576
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Rami never cared about pleasing anyone he did what he wanted. That's why I respected him. I respect directors who don't let movie studios tell them what to do.
Agreed. Raimi did what he felt was better for the drama and the characters, the Symbiote and Sandman had never been done justice, heck the original Alien Costume storyline is all but obscure barring it's larger known use in the animated series, here, it was made the forefront of the film. Venom took years to come into the comics, where as the Symbiote did'nt.

By paying more attention to that, Raimi and Sargent must have really backtracked to the Secret Wars. That's why whenever Sam says he has "respect for the character" now, there's no doubt he means the original symbiote storyline, and the Eddie Brock/Venom he and his writers created to serve as the Symbiote trying to gain revenge.

One thing I kind of figured out is that the more critical audiences did'nt want to see Spider-Man, the New York loved, well appreciated, fun everyday superhero who overcomes personal odds within the movie...go through the film with less upbeat moments, even at the conclusion

When a franchise, medium-wise, known (rather ignorantly) for it's fun and adventure in the face of adversity starts to have less of that and focus on the long-term problems the character is known to sometimes have, it leaves a very different taste, and I don't think audiences that have been so against this are ready for that
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:16 PM   #577
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So... I saw it.

I, uh... Ok. It had some good parts. On the whole, I was bored, though. I can't stand the whole 'I love you , but I can't have you, and I mess up, but YOU mess up and on and on and ON' crap. Which is what the whole second movie was, and a good chunk of this one.

Personally, I found the Sandman a much more compelling 'bad guy' (if he can be called that) than anything. Though, I'm glad Venom wasn't 'Venom' for very long (as I was never a fan of the character).

J. Jonah was a joy, though, heh. As always. And there were a few good spots...

Crowd wasn't in it, though. I have to say, each time I saw TMNT the crowd was way more into that they were this (though it could have been this particular crowd, also). The kids in front of us (two of them around 10 years old, some younger) actually fell asleep a little more than halfway through.

I'd see it again, to see if I could get a better 'feel' on it. Maybe I was tired. Either way, it had it's good points... Every so often, heh.

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Although Harry in effect 'needed' to die, it was still sad to see him go, though it was infuriating that he wouldn't BELIEVE HIS BEST FRIEND until the end there. Also, Gwen Stacey living was sort of surprising, sort of not. It's ok, though. I actually like the actress, so...
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:42 PM   #578
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This isn't the thread for it, I know, but I loved Spider-Man 3
then you should post this in the spider-man three thread so others can read your thoughts
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I could hardly stand 2. Way too many minor annoyances as well as the fact that they over-accentuated the drama.
What annoyed you, out of curiosity? And how was the drama any more over accentuated then this movies? This one was worse in that aspect I thought. Then again you said it has more action then drama and that just proves you fit into the stereotype above of people liking movies better when it's mindless entertainment.

Sorry if I'm a bit harsh but I look at movies as a form of art, and when I see bad art recognized more then good art simply because of who was involved in it I get a little aggressive.
Well, you aren't exactly inspiring me to dignify you with an answer, but I'll accept your explanation, apology or whatever I should call it. In 2, MJ was the main source of annoyance as usual. The fact that it felt like a hammed-up soap-opera didn't make me at all happy. The "if it wasn't for bad luck, Parker wouldn't have no luck at all" themes made me clinch my teeth. Peter: "There's more for me to say." MJ: "Wait. What are you saying?" I so wanted to slap her right then... twice even. Stupid girl...

As for why I think the drama was easier to stomach this time around, it was better balanced among the action and comedy. While there were just as many dramatic moments, they weren't as concentrated. We were given more relief between those scenes, and they didn't seem to drag on forever. If they had more than two that were even long enough for me to get upset over, I must have blinked or something.

BTW, I still have no intention of ever seeing 300 unless someone shows it to me. It sounded like garbage to begin with, and I don't care for movies where the sensationalism outweighs the point (if it has one). I've said that around here a few times before, so the impression you got is wrong, proving to me that I pay more attention to you than vice versa.
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