Spider-Man 3 - UK-Exclusive DVD on Page 37

[GK Punk]

That's how I feel about it, really. It had it's fair share of flaws, but so did the other two films. I also think part of my enjoyment was looking for things, such as references to the comics. I always go in to a comic movie with the mentallity that it probably will be nothing like the comics. Story telling pacing is different in the two mediums, and a lot of the time a comic story just won't work as a movie. Things generally have to be changed to work.

And just want to say it again, I loved Venom in this movie. I just dont get the hatered. I loved the way they built it up. I got so excited when I saw the church, knowing that's how it was probably going to go down. I would have liked it more had they gave Spidey the suit, then in the fourth movie introduced Venom, but considering the fact that we know they went in to this with the attitude there may not be a Fourth, I ended up liking what they did.

Of course the rumours are now flying that Carnage will be in the fourth movie I never have liked Carnage.

Spoiler:

Ya know, unless Gwen Stacy is Carnage. Ultimate fans know what's up.

[Jester]

I should change my signature to read "I agree with Gobo and GK." I liked Spidey 3. The biggest gripe that I have is the underuse (in my eyes) of Sandman. As I've said Eddie Brock had all he needed as build up, I mean in all the universes his main motivation is being fired due to Spider-man, not much to elaberate on. Flint was way to under used. They could almost edit out Church himself, since most of the time he was in "Sand-man" form. I also found some of the over the top Emo-Parker stuff just laughable. I was rolling my eyes a lot about that, but then again I wonder if that was Raimi's intention.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Sliced

Of course Venom is now a ''cliched'' rant. The guy was one of the favorite bad guy for alot of people. And it would've been awsome for this trilogy to end with the epic Venom vs Spiderman. We only had a little fraction of what we wanted as fans of both Venom and Spiderman. The way the movie was done, Venom was just not needed. Or him or sandman was one baddie too many.

There's two ways of looking at it though, a big sprawling popcorn fest with Spidey against a devastatingly cunning opponent, or the need to pursue other aspects of the Venom mythology, IE the earliest part, that provide much more fuller content that does'nt put Peter Parker or Spidey on the backburner, and evolves the other plots they had to fit in.

The Venom storyline would'nt have solved any of those problems, the Alien Coustume storyline from the 1980's however was perfect for it. That part of the story was handled well in the animated series

No doubt Eddie's transformation into Venom should have been the cliffhanger and the character be given fuller exposure in the fourth film, there's no excuse for Sargent to have done what he did, except for the sad fact he really does'nt like Venom, neither does Raimi. So there you go.

Honestly, Venom's never had broad scope in the comics, where as the Symbiote has, Raimi and Sargent went with the better story, not what was good for the fanbase for the character.

This movie would've been great even if Venom was not to be in it at all. But be honest, and tell me that you were not dissapointed about the whole Venom thing...

I don't remotley LIKE Venom as a character, I consider him heavily overrated as mentioned in other parts of this thread, where as I loved the Alien Symbiote storyline, so it was easy for me to laugh off the short span the character had, and actually saw him used well as a "mirror" for Peter and what could have happened to him if he had the symbiote for too long.

[Duke]

Spider-Man 3 was not even my favorite of the 3 but it was still a great movie. I think a lot of people who constantly complain about the drama either didn't watch the other 2 movies and certainly didn't read a single comic. The drama is what makes Spider-Man be Spider-Man. If you know what happened to Gwyn Stacey in the comics then you understand how truly not perfect Peter really is. There is so much more to Peter's life than simply dawning the Spider-Man suit. He fails and his life is full of drama and emotion because he's human. If you life doesn't have drama then I'm truly impressed because sometimes mine is full of it. Also, every single comic book based movie has its share of flaws because movies are not and cannot be perfect adaptions of their respective comics. Like GK said the medium and pacing are very different and it never transfers perfectly. I think the only real exception is Batman Begins, which is far from a direct translation from the pages of a comic, but is in my honest opinion about as great as a comic book based movie can ever get. But compared to any other comic book movie and even the first 2 Spider-Man films, Spider-Man 3 does more than simply hold its own.

[RaphistheBest]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

DA-DA! You win the prize, a lifetime supply of Spidey back issues so you can trace the core roots of the character and learn that this guy IS'NT a popcorn movie icon, he's a multi-layered hero

Sorry to ruin your high and mighty "I was Stan Lee's right-hand man!" crap, but I know of the core roots of Spider-Man. Besides the third movie runs with the context of the other movies so that people that haven't read the comics can get what the hell is going on.

On that note, time to request a thread-lock, as god knows this is just going to lead to more Emosexual elitism

Why a thread-lock? Tired of getting the same treatment that you've given other people on this forum? Emosexual elitism? WTF? For one, I'm not emo... and two what does being emo have to do with having opinions on this movie, especially opinions that don't agree with yours.

[Anarky]

Best Raph, Zarius, you don't really want to ruin this thread for everyone here, do you? I mean, if this thread gets locked it's all your fault, since you're the only ones hellbent on a flamefest here. So either you stop it, or Spider-Man III stops happening on this forum. And no, you don't get to say "But he started it!" in this thread or in a PM to me. It stops. Period. If you want to fight, take it to PMs. There you can fight all you want. For hours, days and months on end.

[ZariusTwo]

I hav'nt flamed anyone since Krang got back to me on the whole issue, I disagreed with Sliced, but did'nt go after him on it.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I hav'nt flamed anyone since Krang got back to me on the whole issue, I disagreed with Sliced, but did'nt go after him on it.

I took your comments about me and my retarded opinions on villains as an insult and as a flame. I could go flmaing and jumping down people's throats for their views, but I dont, simply because I think it's just not cool, and serves no point.

Remember this?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Wait wait...you're letting the most pyschotic Spider-Man villain off the hook because he CARED for Harry? Did'nt you watch the first movie or read the comics?

Norman DESPISED Harry, and did'nt care about him at all even before becoming the Goblin, only the nervous, goblin repressed persona of Osborn loved him, he only cared for Harry when he took on his legacy as the Goblin and tried to kill Spider-Man.

You don't know a lick about this character, and your retarded preference to B-Movie villains and a Transformer proves it.

I was stating what I saw in the movies. I never read the comic, nor do I think a movie must depend on people's knowledge of the comics, or books or any other source material it reared from. The movies should be able to stand on it's own. The first Spider-Man I thought was great. But then the second one came, and I was board. It was just a depressing movie, and a love story, and I dont like either. It just wasn't my type of movie. Same with Spide-Man 3. The action scenes were cool and all, but the in between stuff, was kind of boring for me. I also got a kick when ever J.K Simmons was on screen. He was a riot! Now, maybe if I read the comics, Spidey 2 and 3 would have been more fun, but I never did. And watching those two movies sure isn't pumping my enthusiasm of going out and buying the first Spider-Man comic I see.

And for the mention o B movie villains. Only Freddy Krueger is a B movie. Voldermort, Sauron, Darth Vader, T-1000 and Aliens are all from A-listed movies. And the only comparison I was making, was I found them to have more of a threatening presence in the sense of the movie going experience than the villains I saw in Spider-Man. And it was nothing personal dude.

But one thing that got me mad in the theater. We see Spider-Man/Peter Parker kiss Stacy, my audience had no problem. But when MJ (not that I am saying either were in the right, actually, both Peter and MJ were wrong) started to kiss Harry, everyone in the audience shouted out "whore!" Typical. Men score, but women are whores!

[ZariusTwo]

Enough of your crap. I'm done with you, as are the mods with the bickering. Drop it.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Jester

I also found some of the over the top Emo-Parker stuff just laughable. I was rolling my eyes a lot about that, but then again I wonder if that was Raimi's intention.

Remind yourself that AoD was signature Raimi, and you shouldn't be wondering long.

[Anarky]

Thank you, Warhorse, you killed Spider-Man III.

[Krang]

Let's give this thread one more chance, since I don't think it's fair to blame the locking of a thread on any one person when several people were arguing. Just please keep it civil in here and be respectful of people who have different opinions, and absolutely no personal insults. If this thread gets out of hand again, it will be locked permanently next time.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

But one thing that got me mad in the theater. We see Spider-Man/Peter Parker kiss Stacy, my audience had no problem. But when MJ (not that I am saying either were in the right, actually, both Peter and MJ were wrong) started to kiss Harry, everyone in the audience shouted out "whore!" Typical. Men score, but women are whores!

I think a lot of it's motivation. Peter was doing it for the crowd...MJ just did it because she was pissed at Peter for kissing Gwyn for the crowd. I actually was telling Peter not to and even called him an idiot for doing so. I saw MJ and Harry's kiss coming from a mile off, so I said nothing...though as I've mentioned my girlfriend quoted SNL.

[gobo]

Dude... I didn't even see that part of Warhorse's comments. Yeah, if there was anything more annoying about THE AUDIENCE, I must have tuned them out too well. Peter was an idiot for doing what he did, but at least he wasn't doing this to start an affair. So, while I thought the reaction was moronically sexist, she did deserve a bit (though not as much as she got) harsher judgement. As I've stated before, I left the theater satisfied (in spite of the audience acting like dumbasses). While the audience is an integral part of the movie experience, it's not fair to blame the movie for its obnoxious audience.

[RaphistheBest]

Originally Posted by Jester

I think a lot of it's motivation. Peter was doing it for the crowd...MJ just did it because she was pissed at Peter for kissing Gwyn for the crowd. I actually was telling Peter not to and even called him an idiot for doing so. I saw MJ and Harry's kiss coming from a mile off, so I said nothing...though as I've mentioned my girlfriend quoted SNL.

My friend Frank was actually saying out loud "Don't do it you dumbass!" He was rocking back and forth in his seat and everything. He didn't even want to look at the screen. Frank's a little odd but he's funny as hell.

[iris]

Originally Posted by gobo

I agree with Cure. It's worth seeing. Personally, I could hardly stand 2. Way too many minor annoyances as well as the fact that they over-accentuated the drama. With that in mind, my expectations for this one were that it wouldn't be all that much more enjoyable. But, I was pleasantly surprised that it turned out to be more action than drama. While it might not meet a Spider-fan's hopes, it was as enjoyable a thrill-ride as I expect Die Hard 4 to be.

I thought II was good... and at points hilarious. But I'm a sucker for Raimi humor.

I am not excited to see this movie. I should be?

Is Ted in it? Is there a Bruce cameo? Give me a reason to see this flick.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by iris

I thought II was good... and at points hilarious. But I'm a sucker for Raimi humor.

I am not excited to see this movie. I should be?

Is Ted in it? Is there a Bruce cameo? Give me a reason to see this flick.

Do you mean Ted Raimi? Yeah, he has a cameo. Actually, I thought the Simmons parts were the best. Especially the part about his high blood pressure. It's not a bad movie. The action and Simmons more than make up for the slower parts for me.

Funny thing, Sam Raimi and Ron Howard have something in common, they both like to put their brothers in their films and shows. I remembered when Ted was on the Sam Raimi/Steven Spielberg project, SeaQuest DSV!

[Cure]

Originally Posted by iris

I thought II was good... and at points hilarious. But I'm a sucker for Raimi humor.

I am not excited to see this movie. I should be?

Is Ted in it? Is there a Bruce cameo? Give me a reason to see this flick.

Bruce has a cameo, as well.

[Jester]

Indeed, like he says in his interviews he teams up with Spidey...

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Jester

Indeed, like he says in his interviews he teams up with Spidey...

I actually thought Bruce was going to steal that ring for a minute. Nice to see that he may be a scoundrel in here, a thief, he is not.

Spoiler:

Now, that little girl that sold the filmless camera to Simmons for a 100 bucks! LOL! She was a little crook!