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The Shredder fight in the first movie was two minutes long, max. And he was thrown off a building using some nunchucks.
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When people mention Shredder I take his comic form into account*Being as how his old toon one was useless in being menacing*
And in the comic other villains popped up more then him. The Shredder was mini, minor, not important. He served his purpose which was getting his ass handed to him in Yoshi's honor and was killed. That was it. Doc Ock and Goblin haunted Peter's life for years. Goblin espcially. Goblin screwed up Peter's life so bad. Even in death Goblin messed with Peter. Shredder has nothing on that. |
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Were you expecting a f*cking Tex Avery cartoon or something? |
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And even still, he was killed in the first comic. I don't know about you guys, but that's pretty bad ass, super evil, hardcore to me!
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There you go, attacking me again. Green Goblin was the product of two things, a man with a split personality disorder, and that he was also a good man, that was treated horribly by his companie's execs that wanted to make a profit off of his hard work. he got pissed and retaliated, and I actually agreed with what he did. The spide dude was being controled by his program. He wasnt really a bad guy, and ended up giving his life to save others. The Shredder, or at least the original, was at first fueled by old fashion revenge. But he did nothing heroic to redeem himself. He used everyone around him for his own needs. The Green Goblin at least cared deeply for his son. I prefer the villains who have no pity. Oh, like, Freddy Krueger, T-1000, Sauron, Voldemort, Aliens, Megatron. The only villain that I like that has the soft side would be Darth Vader, but hes in a class all by itself. |
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He's in a total of 5 issues not counting the tales crap. Like I said very weak presence. Why alot of TMNT fans annoy me because they act like he's their main villian. Maybe in the cartoon but in the originial medium he's nothing. |
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Wait wait...you're letting the most pyschotic Spider-Man villain off the hook because he CARED for Harry? Did'nt you watch the first movie or read the comics?
Norman DESPISED Harry, and did'nt care about him at all even before becoming the Goblin, only the nervous, goblin repressed persona of Osborn loved him, he only cared for Harry when he took on his legacy as the Goblin and tried to kill Spider-Man. You don't know a lick about this character, and your retarded preference to B-Movie villains and a Transformer proves it. |
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Am I the only one who thinks that of the 3 villains, that Eddie Brock had the most character building in Spidey 3. Granted Harry had the other to grow into New Goblin and thus can be "placed on the back burner" so to speak, but poor Flint seemed to be fairly one note and not as complex as previous Spider-man villains. The villain with a heart of gold...yawn.
On to the motivations of Brook, have they ever been overly strong anyway? My main reference to Venom is the 90's Spidey series, where Eddie is fired from the Bugle and he blames it on Spider-man...that's it. A similar motivation to the Spidey 3 Brock, only it's Spider-man alter ego that causes the firing. What's forced about Eddie hating Pete for first taking his job and then, once he's down, taking his "girl"?
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Saw it, and really, it IS the worst of the 3. And is even worse than X-3 for me. Both had the same issues really. Too much stuff... All packed in. No fun. It did had amazing special FX but man, for all the rest...
Quick list of things I hated in this piece of ... Spoiler:
Yeah you can call it whinning if you want. I don't care, as its really what I think of this... sorry excuse for a Spiderman movie. The worst is that I heard all of those bad things that were said against this movie. So my hopes were not high at all. I thought that I could maybe enjoy it anyway... I was wrong. Go see it if you want, but this is really amongst the worst number 3s ever.
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Oh, and I'm not talking about the comics. Never read them. I'm just stating with what I saw in the movies.
And in my mention between Goblin and Shredder, it was about the movies, and it was tongue in cheek humor, how the Goblin in the movie was a creation of really greedy people. But then again, Goblin I thought was the best villain I've seen in Spiderman. The others, I didn't find to be true villains in the sense of the word. They went off course, but then, they redeemed themselves by sacrificing them selves for a greater good, or asked for forgiveness. Now, Venom was intriguing. But I just thought it could have been spurred by something more dramatic than someone being pissed because his fake photos were pointed out. Quote:
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Uuuuhhhh...so you work your whole life towards a goal, and someone comes and rips it all away, leaving you with nothing...and...you're cool with that? Brock was blacklisted. How the hell would he get a job when everyone knew he was a con-artist? He was basically reduced to nothing, a bum. Seriously, did you even understand half of the movie?
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And while the Venom itself was really cool, Brock's own agenda became pathetic. He was young. He still had his whole life ahead of him, and photography is not the only job in the world. But instead, he reminded me of a brat kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had a temper tantrum about it. Wasn't it also very convenient that the meteorite landed right next to Peter Parker? See, I thought that the astronaut was going to be bringing home something "alien" from his last journey to space, and that he would become Venom. And since he already knew MJ, it wouldn;t be much of a stretch for the writers to figure out a way for MJ, Peter and the astronaut to meet up with eachother, and Peter could be getting the effects of the black stuff that way. The action scenes were cool, but I didn't like the plot line or the character development. And I dont understand why people on ganging up on me for my for opinions. I'm not attacking anyone for their opinions on the matter! Are members on this board really that upset that there are some people in this world who are dissapointed in Spider-Man 3? |
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Yeah, we need to stop all this fighting. Not everyone is going to agree.
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You're only getting one warning before I straight up lock this thread for good.
Respect opinions, no name calling, and....I think that's it. Just be respectful, please. |
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Don't fret dude, not bashing you or anything, just another "Venom was badly used" rant is so cliched these days, it does'nt factor as a criticism, more a sign of consumerism finally getting it's ass handed to it Of course the movie was an emotional drama, WELCOME TO SPIDER-MAN. There's nothing in Spidey 3 that was'nt in the first two movies, it's the current "fad" to bash popular films when they reach a certain level of expectation I'm fine with the criticisms, given 90% of them prove most hav'nt read nor know what Spider-Man is, never will, and promptly kills their arguments about the film's flaws hopelessly dead. There's a few things I did'nt like about the movie myself, but there minimal at best and did'nt betray the film or the character. Only five year olds and Venom junkies hate the movie, and Christ has that character blindfolded tons of people.
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My pleasure... Sorry but I had to get it out. I was too dissapointed.. Whining is so great for that.
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This movie would've been great even if Venom was not to be in it at all. But be honest, and tell me that you were not dissapointed about the whole Venom thing... We cannot always have what we want as fans, and I can't really say that I enjoyed the few minutes we were able to see Venom. Quote:
And about the ''fad'' of bashing films, well, we all have our level of satisfaction toward something. Its really impossible to please everyone, but I'll say it when I'm dissapointed about a movie. Just like I'll say it when I love a movie. There was actually alot of whining in Whining-man 3, what I did here was nothing compare to that. Quote:
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Actually the 5 year olds loved the movie. In fact the only people happy walking out were the kids. All of the adults look like they were just forced to watch a horrid kids movie.
One girl*The annoying one who sat behind me and talked the entire movie* said "That was the best movie I ever saw ever." I wanted to tell her she needs to watch some more movies and keep her mouth shut while she does it. |
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True. At least, he shouldn't be "a popcorn movie icon". However, this representation of him is best suited to try to be both. Faithful comic-inspired movies tend to put-off the casual viewer. So, it's in the studio's best interest for it to be a popcorn 'veg-out' movie. If a bunch of Spider-fans were to write the movie, it would likely never get off the ground because no one would be able to agree on what should and shouldn't be done. All the negative comments I've read about this movie are actually valid. But, at the same time, they all make me think, "wasn't that true for all of them?" Everyone should have known what to expect. I knew what to expect, and I left the theater satisfied. By no means does that mean I loved every minute of it, but I found the flaws easier to ignore than the previous two films'.
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