Seein Red - Page 2

*Andrew NDB* · 03-08-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Of course they would, but it's pretty pointless to argue the "realistic-ness" of anything relating to Ninja Turtles if you wanna break it down. I know that argument's been used ad nauseum over the years, but it's true.

We're not talking about "realistic-ness." Whether you gravitate more toward the comedy in TMNT or more toward the ninja action... no matter how silly or "out-there" the material may get, a big component that must be sold to the reader is that yes, these four are part of a ninja clan. If their ninja clan is made into some kind of caricature of one or made into a sham (which is what the multi colors do to a large extent)... then the material suffers for it.

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I mean, what about the Green Lantern Corps, if you really wanna split hairs? They've been likened to the Marine Corps. I don't think the Marines let people individualize their uniforms the way GLs do.

There's no real-world 6 billion year-old Guardians of the Universe to judge against and say, "No, no, the Green Lantern Corps has it all wrong, this is what the Guardians would actually do," so that comparison is a little silly. There is, however, real ninja clans... more than enough that we can say without doubt, "No multi-colored bandannas in ninja clans."

And the fact is that the Guardians didn't let Green Lanterns individualize their costumes. It wasn't until the Guardians left after the first Crisis during "Millennium" that Green Lanterns decided that, basically with the bosses gone, it was OK to customize their suits.

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But I'm oh-so-glad that Guy and Kyle and others get to have unique uniforms, because it suits them individually.

Yeah. It's a good thing they're not Marines, isn't it?

~~Leo656~~ · 03-08-2010, 06:51 PM

Given Guy's outspoken political views, if he WERE a Marine I don't think there'd be much left of the Middle East...

I confess, I never got into the whole "ninja-ness" of TMNT as much as some others, meaning I never really went as deep into it, studied it, took it as seriously as some people do. Not that they're wrong and I'm right, it's just that the fact that they're ninjas wasn't what appealed to me about the characters initially. So I admit, whether reading or writing or watching them, "ninja accuracy" isn't the thing I'm most interested in or looking for. Probably why I'm a bit detached on the importance of bandana color.

For me, the pizza obsession from the old 'toon was the worst bit of "dumbing down", way worse than the belts or bandanas, but that's just me.

jalexbrown · 03-08-2010, 07:43 PM

I personally don't mind the multi-colored bandannas too much - there are much bigger issues to pick at, in my opinion - but, going that route again, I'd at least like a better explanation as to WHY they have multi-colored bandannas, and WHY they're going against the grain on that aspect. For the record, I'm not talking about the director or producer's reasoning; I mean, I want the movie to explain it as a plot point.

*Krutch* · 03-21-2010, 11:21 PM

If you want to split hairs, I remember reading that Ninja Clans did not have matching "ninja suits" at all, as most of the time they were disguised as villagers and the like. People have the idea that they were disguised in black from artwork from the time, depicting them in black, but that was only a way to show they were "invisible". Tenugui(Tengui? I forget) were the closest thing to a "ninja clan bandana" that I can think of that existed. But that was more of a towel that you can use in different ways.

At the end of the day, they're mutant turtles. I think they can make they're own rules.

*Turo602* · 03-22-2010, 12:23 AM

All I got to say is that the red headbands suck big time. The multicolored headbands just add independence and personality to the Turtles. They look cooler with the multicolored headbands. Just because the movie might be based off the comics doesn't mean that they should all have the red headbands, It could be based off the comics story wise, just like the first TMNT film.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-22-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Turo602

Just because the movie might be based off the comics doesn't mean that they should all have the red headbands

Read the rest of the thread, please.

Vivi · 03-22-2010, 02:11 AM

I don't mind the multi-coloured headbands, even though the TMNT belong to a clan, I doubt they'd have difficulty telling who was in theirs. To see a movie done where they all wear red would be interesting, there would probably be a few double takes to make sure who is who.
Do ninjas even wear headbands across their eyes? It seems cumbersome.

*Revan* · 03-22-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Never been a fan of all-red. I suspect a lot of people who prefer it only do so because it was the original and thus, "the way it was meant to be". But I disagree with that logic; Superman's "S" logo went through dozens of redesigns over decades before coming to the version we all know. I doubt anyone wants to see it revert to a plain yellow triangle with an S scrawled in it, just because that's how it looked in Action Comics #1.

Apples and Oranges. Superman as been around since the 30s and thus has had fans from far more generations than the TMNT. Who are you to say that someone who read action comics 1 doesn't prefer the original Superman S logo? You obviously prefer it but someone who grew up with the early superman stories might not share your opinion. TMNT has only been around 25 years. Superman and ninja turtles are so completely different. Comparing the turtles to Superman is flattering for the turtles but truthfully the two don't belong in the same category. Even turtle fans would have to agree that Superman's popularity far overshadows that of our little green friends.

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It's just easier to follow the characters in motion when they're all wearing different colors, as well as helping people who don't follow the characters learn who is who much easier.

That's the problem with movies... Whatever is easy. What is the problem with thinking at a movie?

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Fact is, all-red vs. multi-colored is just an individual's preference, nothing more. One is no more "realistic" nor "demeaning" than the other.

Be careful when starting an argument with the "fact is." You must follow that with actual facts, not an opinion. It is your opinion that one is no more demeaning or realistic than the other.

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Originally Posted by Leo656

All red looks cool enough as well, but I feel the multi-colored masks work best across a wide range of media.

We aren't talking about a wide range of media. This thread is a discussion about the new 2012 movie. MOVIE. Singular type of media.

Audiences were disappointed with the most recent TMNT movie. They wanted Shredder Krang and the technodrome and got Max friggin Winters and some goofy monsters. It wasn't funny enough for people who wanted the OT yet wasn't dramatic enough for fans of the comics. It was a weak attempt to cater to both crowds and it just didn't work.

I agree with Andrew. If the new movie is going to be a serious attempt at action, they are going to have to do something significant to change expectations. Reverting back to red bandanas would be a step in that direction. What better way to tell audiences "These aren't your goofy ninja-pizza-eating turtles."
However, if they decide to make a slap-stick comedic movie, belches and all, perhaps they should keep everything the same to try to suck nostalgic OT fans back into the theatre.
I really all depends on who the movie is geared toward.

Silly and funny - Keep it simple. Keep things the same. Make Mike a bumbling incompetent idiot. Throw food but don't use weapons.

Serious adventure - They should try to break the stereotype with something major. They have to change something to develop a new identity.

*Sage Ninja* · 03-22-2010, 02:00 PM

maybe this might be a stupid cop out but what if they have it where the turtles wear all red bandannas when they are going about their buisness (battle, dojo, training, ect) doing the whole ninja clan unity thing. Then when they are just hanging out around the lair like watching tv or whatever, they can personalize their bandannas with the multi colors to express their indivduality, or what ever...but I guess it begs the question why they would bother wearing bandannas at all when they are just palling around...but maybe that can be a comprimise (though stupid) to appease both sides.

*ToTheNines* · 03-22-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

maybe this might be a stupid cop out but what if they have it where the turtles wear all red bandannas when they are going about their buisness (battle, dojo, training, ect) doing the whole ninja clan unity thing. Then when they are just hanging out around the lair like watching tv or whatever, they can personalize their bandannas with the multi colors to express their indivduality, or what ever...but I guess it begs the question why they would bother wearing bandannas at all when they are just palling around...but maybe that can be a comprimise (though stupid) to appease both sides.

The best way to go about that would be having them in all red, and then after they meet April she bitches about not being able to tell them apart, so they go rainbow.

Not my idea by the way, I wanna say Tristan thought it up but I don't remember.

*Cipher* · 03-22-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Not my idea by the way, I wanna say Tristan thought it up but I don't remember.

That was Tristan.

Anyway, why don't they just do something totally unexpected and have two Turtles wear yellow and two wear magenta? That would solve things.

*Cure* · 03-22-2010, 05:12 PM

I think the all red bandannas is kinda dumb. I'd prefer to tell them apart at a quick glance rather than thinking "Who is this? Look for their weapon...OK, it's Mikey". Dumb.

*Koi* · 03-22-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCure

I think the all red bandannas is kinda dumb. I'd prefer to tell them apart at a quick glance rather than thinking "Who is this? Look for their weapon...OK, it's Mikey". Dumb.

But they could have actual characteristics that define them apart, skin color, size, and physical differences.

*Cure* · 03-22-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Drawsher

But they could have actual characteristics that define them apart, skin color, size, and physical differences.

Right, but there'll still be work involved in memorizing who is who. Colored bandannas is the quickest way of telling them apart.

saul · 03-22-2010, 06:44 PM

I always likened the masks to karate belts. Do karate belts look gay? Rather than debate hypothetical 'what-ifs', here is, very simply, what they would look like.

To me, the all red just seems like lazy design.

NOTE: I do NOT like _brightly_ colored masks like in the 3rd movie. This is a point to consider. Not all hue's & shades are equal. The colors in the 1st film were right on, whereas the 2nd got Leo's blue too light...

saul · 03-22-2010, 06:46 PM

FYI: for a million $$ I will personally re-color every frame in the original movie for you to make them all red...

*Powder* · 03-22-2010, 07:07 PM

That is sooooooooooo coool

*Revan* · 03-22-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saul

It's still easy to tell who is who. Each costume is so different.

*Oculus Orbus* · 03-22-2010, 08:20 PM

I absolutely love that pic. I would buy the idea of them going multi colored after meeting April, but they should all wear red at some point.

*ToTheNines* · 03-22-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saul

FYI: for a million $$ I will personally re-color every frame in the original movie for you to make them all red...

What's your paypal e-mail?

03-22-2010, 12:23 AM	#25
Turo602 The King of Kings Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 2,931	All I got to say is that the red headbands suck big time. The multicolored headbands just add independence and personality to the Turtles. They look cooler with the multicolored headbands. Just because the movie might be based off the comics doesn't mean that they should all have the red headbands, It could be based off the comics story wise, just like the first TMNT film. __________________ Last edited by Turo602; 03-22-2010 at 04:07 PM.

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Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	I think the all red bandannas is kinda dumb. I'd prefer to tell them apart at a quick glance rather than thinking "Who is this? Look for their weapon...OK, it's Mikey". Dumb. __________________

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03-08-2010, 06:51 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Given Guy's outspoken political views, if he WERE a Marine I don't think there'd be much left of the Middle East... I confess, I never got into the whole "ninja-ness" of TMNT as much as some others, meaning I never really went as deep into it, studied it, took it as seriously as some people do. Not that they're wrong and I'm right, it's just that the fact that they're ninjas wasn't what appealed to me about the characters initially. So I admit, whether reading or writing or watching them, "ninja accuracy" isn't the thing I'm most interested in or looking for. Probably why I'm a bit detached on the importance of bandana color. For me, the pizza obsession from the old 'toon was the worst bit of "dumbing down", way worse than the belts or bandanas, but that's just me.

03-08-2010, 07:43 PM	#23
jalexbrown Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 139	I personally don't mind the multi-colored bandannas too much - there are much bigger issues to pick at, in my opinion - but, going that route again, I'd at least like a better explanation as to WHY they have multi-colored bandannas, and WHY they're going against the grain on that aspect. For the record, I'm not talking about the director or producer's reasoning; I mean, I want the movie to explain it as a plot point.

03-21-2010, 11:21 PM	#24
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	If you want to split hairs, I remember reading that Ninja Clans did not have matching "ninja suits" at all, as most of the time they were disguised as villagers and the like. People have the idea that they were disguised in black from artwork from the time, depicting them in black, but that was only a way to show they were "invisible". Tenugui(Tengui? I forget) were the closest thing to a "ninja clan bandana" that I can think of that existed. But that was more of a towel that you can use in different ways. At the end of the day, they're mutant turtles. I think they can make they're own rules.

03-22-2010, 02:11 AM	#27
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	I don't mind the multi-coloured headbands, even though the TMNT belong to a clan, I doubt they'd have difficulty telling who was in theirs. To see a movie done where they all wear red would be interesting, there would probably be a few double takes to make sure who is who. Do ninjas even wear headbands across their eyes? It seems cumbersome.

03-22-2010, 06:44 PM	#35
saul Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	I always likened the masks to karate belts. Do karate belts look gay? Rather than debate hypothetical 'what-ifs', here is, very simply, what they would look like. To me, the all red just seems like lazy design. NOTE: I do NOT like _brightly_ colored masks like in the 3rd movie. This is a point to consider. Not all hue's & shades are equal. The colors in the 1st film were right on, whereas the 2nd got Leo's blue too light...

03-22-2010, 06:46 PM	#36
saul Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	FYI: for a million $$ I will personally re-color every frame in the original movie for you to make them all red...

03-22-2010, 07:07 PM	#37
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	That is sooooooooooo coool

03-22-2010, 08:20 PM	#39
Oculus Orbus Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 1,535	I absolutely love that pic. I would buy the idea of them going multi colored after meeting April, but they should all wear red at some point.