Disney's "influence" on Marvel movies

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 01-22-2015, 05:34 AM

I have a friend who has a narrow-mindset who tells me that he has a friend that works at Marvel who is supposedly telling him that Disney is the one responsible for ruining the Marvel movies. This baffles me because for one thing, he has not watched any of the Marvel movies because this friend of mine has a vendetta against Disney.

I really need you guys' help to convince him otherwise. Do you think that it is Disney's fault that Marvel movies are "screwed up"?

*ZariusTwo* · 01-22-2015, 06:46 AM

Marvel movies irk me to some extent, but in the mind's eye of the general populace so far they are not all that "screwed up", and generate the necessary bucks. Could they be better? Yes, but you take what you can get, there's always a later opportunity (and patience is rewarded, like with Winter Soldier)

*TigerClaw* · 01-22-2015, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I have a friend who has a narrow-mindset who tells me that he has a friend that works at Marvel who is supposedly telling him that Disney is the one responsible for ruining the Marvel movies. This baffles me because for one thing, he has not watched any of the Marvel movies because this friend of mine has a vendetta against Disney.

I really need you guys' help to convince him otherwise. Do you think that it is Disney's fault that Marvel movies are "screwed up"?

sounds like he wants Marvel movies with Oscar caliber acting and stories in them.

I don't like how some people, in there mindset, They only wanna see good acting in movies and such, They should just enjoy them for what it is, entertainment.

The Marvel movies are done in such a way, That even the non comic book fans can enjoy them.

This isn't just about pleasing the comic book fans, But the average person who has never read those comics.

*NinjaPug* · 01-22-2015, 08:39 AM

Define "screwed up"?

I also don't think Disney is involved to the level your friend thinks.

*BabyTurtles* · 01-22-2015, 10:56 AM

I don't think they are screwing up...

in fact can Disney make more animated marvel movies please~

*TigerClaw* · 01-22-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I don't think they are screwing up...

in fact can Disney make more animated marvel movies please~

I'm sure they will, Big Hero 6 did pretty well and its based on a Marvel comic.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 01-22-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Define "screwed up"?

I also don't think Disney is involved to the level your friend thinks.

As in responsible for the Marvel movies' directions in comedy, tone, and everything. Even says the comics have been going downhill because of Disney. Also, saying they messed up the Amazing Spider-Man and X-Men movies when we all know that is the work of Sony and Fox. He hasn't even read the comics or watch any Marvel movies besides Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2, and the first 2 X-Men movies. He's literally annoying me with this mindset of his. He would tell you that his only source is his friend who works at Marvel.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-22-2015, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Even says the comics have been going downhill because of Disney.

The comics have gone downhill because the writers are hacks, the editors are lazy, and event fatigue has pissed off the audience

*TigerClaw* · 01-22-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The comics have gone downhill because the writers are hacks, the editors are lazy, and event fatigue has pissed off the audience

Speaking of event fatique, Marvel is planning another one, Earth 616 and the Ultimate Universe are gonna come to an end, Everything you knew about them, will cease to exist, Marvel is creating a new universe. Its basically a new 52 style reboot. Its gonna combine elements of 616 and Ultimate Universe into one.
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23961/...wars_last_days

~~Leo656~~ · 01-22-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I don't like how some people, in there mindset, They only wanna see good acting in movies and such, They should just enjoy them for what it is, entertainment.

Y'know... if you swap just a couple words around, that statement becomes:
"I don't like how people appreciate quality. They should just settle for stupid things. None of it matters anyway."

It's not exactly what you said, but... actually yeah, that's exactly what you said.

What a thing to say.

*IndigoErth* · 01-22-2015, 09:02 PM

Well I've got to say it's a valid point when considering the rest of the world is normally not allowed to be bad at their jobs. If someone is going to make limelight actor level of pay they could at least be good at their job.

~~Amaranthus~~ · 01-22-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I have a friend who has a narrow-mindset

If you don't like him why is he your friend?

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

I really need you guys' help to convince him otherwise.

Why do you need to convince him? Is he not allowed to have an opinion you don't agree with?

*sdp* · 01-22-2015, 02:45 PM

I'm sure as much as Disney let Marvel and Pixar and now Lucasfilms do their own thing and run "separate" as they say you can bet they have a much bigger role making decisions than what they say they do. We've seen plenty of reports come out that say otherwise. I wouldn't say they screwed up Pixar or Marvel though, I don't think pre-Disney owned Pixar/Marvel were that much different.

*TigerClaw* · 01-22-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

I'm sure as much as Disney let Marvel and Pixar and now Lucasfilms do their own thing and run "separate" as they say you can bet they have a much bigger role making decisions than what they say they do. We've seen plenty of reports come out that say otherwise. I wouldn't say they screwed up Pixar or Marvel though, I don't think pre-Disney owned Pixar/Marvel were that much different.

Lucasfilms released there own animated film called, Strange Magic, But its gotten a lot of bad reviews. its 20% on rotten tomatoes at the moment.

*IndigoErth* · 01-22-2015, 03:43 PM

So terrible that Guardians of the Galaxy was a (the?) top dog last summer?

I dunno, sounds to me like your friend may have done this out of some chosen "loyalty" thing. If that's his schtick then might not really be any convincing him.

~~Amaranthus~~ · 01-23-2015, 01:15 PM

I'm not too keen on the Disney Marvel films, but they always manage to make their movies a decent way to kill time. That doesn't mean their movies are great though.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-25-2015, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

As in responsible for the Marvel movies' directions in comedy, tone, and everything. Even says the comics have been going downhill because of Disney.

Sounds like he hasn't even read any comics since 2007. Sorry, but Marvel comics started going downhill when "Joephisto" Quesada thought it would be a good idea to have Spidey make a deal with the devil. That was long before Disney ever even TOUCHED Marvel.

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The comics have gone downhill because the writers are hacks, the editors are lazy, and event fatigue has pissed off the audience

Yup. That about sums it up. Gods, I miss JMS and Peter David. Bendis is still good, though, isn't he??!

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In my mind, that already happened back in 2007 when Spidey said okie-dokie to Satan and reality was rewritten.

Yeah, I'd say that's what started the ball rolling downhill. I'd even venture to say the editing staff has basically torpedoed the comics just to cater to their own personal tastes.

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This. So much this.

Ditto.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-25-2015, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Yup. That about sums it up. Gods, I miss JMS and Peter David. Bendis is still good, though, isn't he??!

Peter David is still writing Spider-Man 2099 and it's a really good book, Bendis? He's always had his critics, and I never liked his Avengers work, but he's doing a decent job on X-Men. Ultimate Spider-Man is still good (even though Bendis gave no clear answer as to how Peter came back from the dead before putting him and MJ on a bus)

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-25-2015, 04:20 PM

PD's doing 2099??!! Ooh, I may have to start reading it! I loveloveLOVE his work. I do like Bendis' Avengers, have ever since New Avengers #1. Didn't know he's doing X-Men- which one though? Uncanny, X-Men(no prefix), or Astonishing? Or have they changed titles again? Is he still doing Avengers as well? I'm SOOO out of the loop on Marvel since that OMIT arc- haven't really read anything since then, due to A) not having a comic shop within 30 miles of me. B) Don't read solicits anymore (not much point when I can't get em without breaking the bank), and C) the only thing I've been reading is TMNT trades when I can save up for one or two.

*ZariusTwo* · 01-25-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

PD's doing 2099??!! Ooh, I may have to start reading it! I loveloveLOVE his work.

Definitely dip into it. It's well worth a read, and one of the only tolerable Spidey books on the market. Gerry Conway is also coming back to write a new Spider-Man title in the months following Spider-Verse called "Spiral"

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I do like Bendis' Avengers, have ever since New Avengers #1. Didn't know he's doing X-Men- which one though? Uncanny, X-Men(no prefix), or Astonishing?

Bendis is no longer on Avengers, that's been primarily handled the last three or four years by Johnathan Hickman and the forthcoming Secret Wars event has been built up in that run. Bendis I think now works on Uncanny and All-New X-Men, where he basically had Beast bring the original five core X-Men from the past all the way to the present and they've been causing all sorts of problems

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ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	Marvel movies irk me to some extent, but in the mind's eye of the general populace so far they are not all that "screwed up", and generate the necessary bucks. Could they be better? Yes, but you take what you can get, there's always a later opportunity (and patience is rewarded, like with Winter Soldier) __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

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BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	I don't think they are screwing up... in fact can Disney make more animated marvel movies please~ __________________

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sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I'm sure as much as Disney let Marvel and Pixar and now Lucasfilms do their own thing and run "separate" as they say you can bet they have a much bigger role making decisions than what they say they do. We've seen plenty of reports come out that say otherwise. I wouldn't say they screwed up Pixar or Marvel though, I don't think pre-Disney owned Pixar/Marvel were that much different. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

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MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	PD's doing 2099??!! Ooh, I may have to start reading it! I loveloveLOVE his work. I do like Bendis' Avengers, have ever since New Avengers #1. Didn't know he's doing X-Men- which one though? Uncanny, X-Men(no prefix), or Astonishing? Or have they changed titles again? Is he still doing Avengers as well? I'm SOOO out of the loop on Marvel since that OMIT arc- haven't really read anything since then, due to A) not having a comic shop within 30 miles of me. B) Don't read solicits anymore (not much point when I can't get em without breaking the bank), and C) the only thing I've been reading is TMNT trades when I can save up for one or two. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

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01-22-2015, 05:34 AM	#1
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	Disney's "influence" on Marvel movies I have a friend who has a narrow-mindset who tells me that he has a friend that works at Marvel who is supposedly telling him that Disney is the one responsible for ruining the Marvel movies. This baffles me because for one thing, he has not watched any of the Marvel movies because this friend of mine has a vendetta against Disney. I really need you guys' help to convince him otherwise. Do you think that it is Disney's fault that Marvel movies are "screwed up"?

01-22-2015, 08:39 AM	#4
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	Define "screwed up"? I also don't think Disney is involved to the level your friend thinks.

01-22-2015, 09:02 PM	#11
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	Well I've got to say it's a valid point when considering the rest of the world is normally not allowed to be bad at their jobs. If someone is going to make limelight actor level of pay they could at least be good at their job.

01-22-2015, 03:43 PM	#15
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	So terrible that Guardians of the Galaxy was a (the?) top dog last summer? I dunno, sounds to me like your friend may have done this out of some chosen "loyalty" thing. If that's his schtick then might not really be any convincing him.

01-23-2015, 01:15 PM	#16
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	I'm not too keen on the Disney Marvel films, but they always manage to make their movies a decent way to kill time. That doesn't mean their movies are great though.