Who wants Birdo in the next Super Smash Bros game?

[Toonami Tom]

I think Birdo would be a good addition to the next Super Smash Bros game. We have Yoshi, so I think she should be in there too. One of the main attacks would be the egg throw (spit) she does in Super Mario Bros 2 on Nintendo Entertainment System. Maybe also give her a vacuum power move, kind of like Kirby, and a ground pound like Yoshi. There could also be a fireball instead of an egg as another attack for her. For alternate costumes, there could be a blue Birdo and an orange Birdo.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Birdo could be fun. It would even be cool if they made a nod to the fact Birdo started out as a guy.

[Toonami Tom]

Yeah, I think that is mentioned on Birdo's trophy in a Super Smash Bros game. It depends on which Birdo though, as it is my understanding that Birdo is a species like Yoshi, so there could be male and female Birdo. I have no idea why they would even make Birdo a guy in the first place, I guess just to mess with people, or to make a joke. I don't know, lol. Now, I wonder if all the Goombas are male, or the Koopa Troopas.

Also, the sprite of Birdo from Super Mario Bros 2 looks more male, since the eyelashes are not visible. Later Birdo characters have the eyelashes visible.

Another confusing part is that Birdo spits eggs, something that only a female should have. Then again, Yoshi also has eggs. All Yoshi that I have seen seem to be male.

Also, I guess the eyelashes wouldn't be a clue that a character is female, as SpongeBob Square Pants has eyelashes.

Interesting topic and the egg spitting Brido does reminds me of the Namekians from DragonBall.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.

Birdo finally could afford that operation

[AT-Man]

Maybe the fire spitting birdoe are males?

[Ninjinister]

I want to play as Batman, Mr. Burns, gobo, Evil Otto, and a Cinnamon Toast Crunch piece.

[Memphis]

Bayonetta!!!!

[Cowabunga Carl]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Birdo finally could afford that operation

That was actually the official story lol I love the fact that Nintendo was willing to do that with a character even if it is a lesser known one.

[TMNT_Guy]

Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

Birdo started out as a male character. He is the first "transgender" video character, or one of the first. He was even stated to have a relationship with Yoshi. It wasn't changed tell later that he turned into a she somehow.

Interestingly in Captain Rainbow, which was unforchantly only released in Japan, Birdo appears as a quest character. She gets arrested for using the Woman's bathroom and the cop didn't believe Birdo that she was female. The player is asked by Birdo to go to her house and get an item that proves she is a she. We never get to see the item though, because its censored with a question mark. Birdo gets released and gives the player a kiss, who then faints.

Later, Little Mac from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out talks about Birdo. After he calls her a "young lady", he takes a short pause and ponders. Then he says "Depending on one's viewpoint, she is a young lady."

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Birdo finally could afford that operation

That would explain Birdo's male voice in the game. Males who undergo an operation to become female, retain their male voice.




http://www.mariowiki.com/Captain_Rainbow

[Logan]

I don't know about adding Birdo, but I definitely think there are some characters that should be cut out of the next one.

Waaaay too many Mario characters. Mario is one of my favorite game series and I realize it's Nintendo's flagship franchise, but they have far too many in the game where some other interesting ones could be in their place.

No Pokemon. Or at the very least, limit it to the Trainer. I hate Pokemon.

Cut out some of the lamer characters, i.e. the Ice Climbers or Mr. Game and Watch. Or R.O.B.

To add:

Some more obscure characters from well-received Nintendo games. Little Mac from Punch Out (I know he's an assist) or Mike Jones from StarTropics.

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

[Frozen_Cereal]

Cut out Mr. Game n' Watch? Heck no dood, he's one of my favorite characters, if not one of the more unique of the cast (he's a 2D figure!). Personally, I think the current roster is fine as it is, although the final smashes could use some more variation *cough* 3 landmasters *cough*. It would be nice to see a few more obscure characters though, since that sort of thing brought Pit back into the spotlight.

[AT-Man]

Originally Posted by Logan

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

Imagine some of these in a trailer, and all the people saying: WHO??

[Toonami Tom]

This has developed into an interesting conversation with a lot of information on Birdo. I don't know what I should add to the topic at the moment, but I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on this. Yeah.... lol.

I was playing Super Mario Bros 2 on Wii Virtual Console, and when I battled Birdo (as Toad, not that it matters, but Toad is cool) I didn't notice the red bow on Birdo's head. So I don't know. Was the red bow added later? I thought he (she?) always had it, at least that is the way I remember it. I think early art work shows the red bow. I don't know.

Good conversation though.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Logan

I don't know about adding Birdo, but I definitely think there are some characters that should be cut out of the next one.

Waaaay too many Mario characters. Mario is one of my favorite game series and I realize it's Nintendo's flagship franchise, but they have far too many in the game where some other interesting ones could be in their place.

No Pokemon. Or at the very least, limit it to the Trainer. I hate Pokemon.

Cut out some of the lamer characters, i.e. the Ice Climbers or Mr. Game and Watch. Or R.O.B.

To add:

Some more obscure characters from well-received Nintendo games. Little Mac from Punch Out (I know he's an assist) or Mike Jones from StarTropics.

More third party characters, but not too many. Sega has plenty of great franchises to milk characters from. Kid Chameleon, the Centurion, Musashi, Gilius Thunderhead, Alex Kidd, Vectorman...

You're an idiot.

[CyberCubed]

God no. There are many other Mario characters I'd want prior. Hell we don't even have Toad as playable.

[TMNT_Guy]

I don't know, outside of maybe Princess Daisy and Waluigi I can't think of any other Mario characters to add without it feeling forced. Baby versions of Mario & Luigi? Toad is already one of Peach's attacks...one of Mario's partners from the RPGs? Does one adventure with Mario grant Goombella a spot on the character select screen?

I can see Birdo being a Assist Trophy. She was a obstacle in the "Mushroom Kingdom II" stage of Super Smash Bros. Melee
http://www.mariowiki.com/Mushroom_Kingdom_II

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Cure

You're an idiot.

Thank you for backing up your statements with more than just an insult. I always hate when people don't provide strong arguments in a debate.

Seriously. Don't be a tool. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion here.

[The Stryker]

Strong arguments like 'Don't put in Pokemon. I don't like it.'

[Logan]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Strong arguments like 'Don't put in Pokemon. I don't like it.'

This isn't about my statements, this is about Cure's.

But if you'd like, I'll elaborate further. Yes, I don't like Pokemon. It's also not nearly as popular as it was years back, so the franchise doesn't warrant having so many characters in the SSB games. Are that many people going to be upset if Jigglypuff doesn't show up in the next game? How about Pichu? It's the same problem as with Mario; there's far too many characters from the franchise that it takes up space for new and, frankly, potentially more interesting characters.

I hope that's a sufficient answer to your snide remark.