Any plans for Casey or the 4 frogs? - Page 3

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

It doesn't mean they should or are going to appear. They had their time in the sun and should stay where they are. I think that people should give Dogpound and Fishface a chance before saying "Why aren't Bebop and Rocksteady being used?"

I honestly don't see how those two characters can be used without turning into slapstick.

Now how does that make any sense? Baxter Stockman constantly returns and you don't see anyone saying, "Baxter was used too much already let's forget about him."

Nobody is saying we can't have new characters either.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-07-2012, 12:48 PM

Baxter has constantly been around from the beginning too. His first appearance isn't one of a bumbling buffoon. While these two characters were made for a show and made to be idiotic slapstick characters.

The main difference was these are that Baxter is a character that has been around as long as the Turtles themselves. Bebop and Rocksteady have not.

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 01:03 PM

Bebop and Rocksteady debuted in 1987. They even predate Leatherhead and Rat King I think.

*Ninjinister* · 10-07-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bebop and Rocksteady debuted in 1987. They even predate Leatherhead and Rat King I think.

Leatherhead debuted in August of '87. Bebop and Rocksteady didn't show up until December. Rat King, however, first saw print in January of '88, so you're right on that.

Lisardo · 10-07-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I have to admit when I saw the preview for next week's episode I thought that Chuck Norris looking dude was gonna be Casey Jones.

Lol, so did I! Then I realized it was someone else.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-07-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Bebop and Rocksteady debuted in 1987. They even predate Leatherhead and Rat King I think.

I do enjoy that you are so passionate about these two characters. But for me it takes more then "Oh my gosh it would be so cool for them to be in the new show." I don't think they would add anything Dogpound or Fishface can't for the new show. So unless there is something that they can add that another character can't then why include them?

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 03:37 PM

The humor of the Nick series fits them perfectly. I don't want them in every universe, they wouldn't fit into 4kids so I am glad we didn't see new versions of them there.

But I feel they can fit into the Nick show perfectly. I only hope that like Casey they are being saved for Season 2.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-07-2012, 03:55 PM

But why? What purpose do they serve that only they can offer?

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

But why? What purpose do they serve that only they can offer?

Mutant henchmen who are funny. That's what they're for.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-07-2012, 04:06 PM

And that is something that could be done by new characters. So really other then the fact that it would be "cool" to see them again there is no reason for them to show up. I've said other places many times, if there is something you like about a universe go watch that and allow the new things to be their own instead of trying to rehash the old.

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 04:19 PM

And we can't have both? Shredder has a lot of henchmen, how do you know Rahzar and Tokka won't eventually come too?

Nobody said Shredder is only going to have two mutants.

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-07-2012, 04:24 PM

Characters fit in within some versions and some don't. Bigger characters like Krang and Karai don't work in a couple of versions themselves.Some characters are very different and only thing about Leatherhead that is constant is he is a mutant gator whether good,evil, or nuetral or even starting out as a human turned by something other than mutagen and is not neccessarily even a crocodile but an aligator in the ''87 cartoon. Anyway,I think as strange as it may sound,Bebop and Rocksteady would work in IDW,but not neccesarily in Nick's cartoon. A few characters would have worked fine in Mirage and the 2003 cartoon but Peter saw to it that characters outside his comic were not brought in unless the characters were new like Bishop and Hun thus more accepting. Now,its the simple idea of figuring out who fits in and who does not. Bebop and Rocksteady are better off in IDW than Nick. One thing I would like to know is how The Punk Frogs,who seem more likely in the cartoon than the comic unlike the above duo,would fit in to what is being attempted? My fave allies and think they should have done more than a handful of appearances in the classic cartoon.

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 04:35 PM

I'll be shocked if Nick doesn't use them. They probably just wanted to introduce new mutants first so they would get good screentime and then slowly and gradually bring back older ones.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-07-2012, 04:44 PM

I'd be more surprised if they did bring them in. It doesn't make sense to bring them in at all. I mean honestly this show is setting things up completely different. While they are paying homage to the old show they are not just redoing it. It doesn't make sense that they would just want to redo FW.

The only way I could see them working is if they were the leaders of the rouge mutant of the week group.

*CyberCubed* · 10-07-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowabunga Carl

I'd be more surprised if they did bring them in. It doesn't make sense to bring them in at all. I mean honestly this show is setting things up completely different. While they are paying homage to the old show they are not just redoing it. It doesn't make sense that they would just want to redo FW.

The only way I could see them working is if they were the leaders of the rouge mutant of the week group.

They're bringing back Metalhead and General Traag, two characters created for the old show. I am sure those won't be the only two characters they bring back outside of the Mirage characters.

I think Slash is all but given, since Playmates loves him and IDW is using him.

Mondo_Gecko · 10-08-2012, 01:06 PM

If you're a good writer and have a good sense of the worlds and characters that preceded you, then anything is possible.

You seem to against a re-hash of the OT, which is fair. Now that I'm older, I'm much more excited for new stories, new worlds and new characters then just a simple re-do.

That being said, who says Bebop & Rocksteady have to be goofy and comic relief in this incarnation? Maybe they are complete bad asses, who not only embrace their new mutation but are a threat to the turtles as well.

One thing I truly love about the writers is they seem to have embraced all aspects of TMNT and then taken bits and pieces from previous versions and gone off on their own.

I love Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome and I want to see them return along with many others but I don't want a re-do, I want to see them have their own spin.

Who knows what the writers have in store. Instead of fretting what could happen, why not go along for the ride? Who knows you might like the "new"
Bebop & Rocksteady.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-08-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They're bringing back Metalhead and General Traag, two characters created for the old show. I am sure those won't be the only two characters they bring back outside of the Mirage characters.

I think Slash is all but given, since Playmates loves him and IDW is using him.

And both of those seem to be drastically different then their previous incarnations if what we know of them is true. If characters must show up I want to see them different and have a reason then "OH MY GOSH COOLS!"

I wrote an article about this too if you care to read it. Just stuff I had been thinking and it is way to long to post here.
http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2...r-go-home.html

*pannoni1* · 10-11-2012, 07:59 AM

While the odds of a frog appearing if the series lasts long is pretty good, it may just be some new frog mutant, perhaps if it involves a plot with Fishface. However, there could be a situation where it could be just Genghis Frog or Napoleon Bonafrog since those two had figures. However, we haven't seen any scenes taking place in water so far in this series. I would love to see Ray Fillet however since he's never appeared animated (Ray from the OT is not really Ray Fillet). I know it's still early in the series and this is where so many of you want to bring back everything, but there is of course a quota, and we need the new characters to have their spotlight before we can have a chance to bring back the classics.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 10-11-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zulithe

do we really know his age and his high-school dropout status? I think his personality fits a drop-out (seems to be a real anti-authority type) but would they really put that in a 2012 kid's show?

I cant remember where... but I read it, maybe on ign awhile back. That was what they said he would be. I guess that way he will be closer to April in age.

rattrap109 · 10-17-2012, 10:26 AM

boy so many to chose from and the all should be in it
but if the frogs are in it there will be like one i think

10-07-2012, 04:24 PM	#52
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Characters fit in within some versions and some don't. Bigger characters like Krang and Karai don't work in a couple of versions themselves.Some characters are very different and only thing about Leatherhead that is constant is he is a mutant gator whether good,evil, or nuetral or even starting out as a human turned by something other than mutagen and is not neccessarily even a crocodile but an aligator in the ''87 cartoon. Anyway,I think as strange as it may sound,Bebop and Rocksteady would work in IDW,but not neccesarily in Nick's cartoon. A few characters would have worked fine in Mirage and the 2003 cartoon but Peter saw to it that characters outside his comic were not brought in unless the characters were new like Bishop and Hun thus more accepting. Now,its the simple idea of figuring out who fits in and who does not. Bebop and Rocksteady are better off in IDW than Nick. One thing I would like to know is how The Punk Frogs,who seem more likely in the cartoon than the comic unlike the above duo,would fit in to what is being attempted? My fave allies and think they should have done more than a handful of appearances in the classic cartoon. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

10-11-2012, 07:59 AM	#58
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	While the odds of a frog appearing if the series lasts long is pretty good, it may just be some new frog mutant, perhaps if it involves a plot with Fishface. However, there could be a situation where it could be just Genghis Frog or Napoleon Bonafrog since those two had figures. However, we haven't seen any scenes taking place in water so far in this series. I would love to see Ray Fillet however since he's never appeared animated (Ray from the OT is not really Ray Fillet). I know it's still early in the series and this is where so many of you want to bring back everything, but there is of course a quota, and we need the new characters to have their spotlight before we can have a chance to bring back the classics. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

10-07-2012, 12:48 PM	#42
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	Baxter has constantly been around from the beginning too. His first appearance isn't one of a bumbling buffoon. While these two characters were made for a show and made to be idiotic slapstick characters. The main difference was these are that Baxter is a character that has been around as long as the Turtles themselves. Bebop and Rocksteady have not.

10-07-2012, 01:03 PM	#43
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Bebop and Rocksteady debuted in 1987. They even predate Leatherhead and Rat King I think.

10-07-2012, 03:37 PM	#47
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	The humor of the Nick series fits them perfectly. I don't want them in every universe, they wouldn't fit into 4kids so I am glad we didn't see new versions of them there. But I feel they can fit into the Nick show perfectly. I only hope that like Casey they are being saved for Season 2.

10-07-2012, 03:55 PM	#48
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	But why? What purpose do they serve that only they can offer?

10-07-2012, 04:06 PM	#50
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	And that is something that could be done by new characters. So really other then the fact that it would be "cool" to see them again there is no reason for them to show up. I've said other places many times, if there is something you like about a universe go watch that and allow the new things to be their own instead of trying to rehash the old.

10-07-2012, 04:19 PM	#51
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	And we can't have both? Shredder has a lot of henchmen, how do you know Rahzar and Tokka won't eventually come too? Nobody said Shredder is only going to have two mutants.

10-07-2012, 04:35 PM	#53
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I'll be shocked if Nick doesn't use them. They probably just wanted to introduce new mutants first so they would get good screentime and then slowly and gradually bring back older ones.

10-07-2012, 04:44 PM	#54
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	I'd be more surprised if they did bring them in. It doesn't make sense to bring them in at all. I mean honestly this show is setting things up completely different. While they are paying homage to the old show they are not just redoing it. It doesn't make sense that they would just want to redo FW. The only way I could see them working is if they were the leaders of the rouge mutant of the week group.

10-08-2012, 01:06 PM	#56
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	If you're a good writer and have a good sense of the worlds and characters that preceded you, then anything is possible. You seem to against a re-hash of the OT, which is fair. Now that I'm older, I'm much more excited for new stories, new worlds and new characters then just a simple re-do. That being said, who says Bebop & Rocksteady have to be goofy and comic relief in this incarnation? Maybe they are complete bad asses, who not only embrace their new mutation but are a threat to the turtles as well. One thing I truly love about the writers is they seem to have embraced all aspects of TMNT and then taken bits and pieces from previous versions and gone off on their own. I love Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome and I want to see them return along with many others but I don't want a re-do, I want to see them have their own spin. Who knows what the writers have in store. Instead of fretting what could happen, why not go along for the ride? Who knows you might like the "new" Bebop & Rocksteady.

10-17-2012, 10:26 AM	#60
rattrap109 Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 28	boy so many to chose from and the all should be in it but if the frogs are in it there will be like one i think