Official Episode Discussion: #6 "Metalhead" - Page 4

Bossa Nova · 10-27-2012, 11:49 PM

Blah, I was so excited for this episode all week, and I can't help but feel totally let down.My sister and I rewatched the older episodes before this, and I gotta say I wish that Don had acted more like he did in the premier than how he was portrayed here. I liked premier Don because he was struck me as more of a wiseass, at least in regards to Raph's poking fun of him and how he took the initiative to be a bit more daring and reckless when it came to what he felt was right. In this episode, he just sort of took it or "defended" himself in a way that made him look even more like a dork.

Also rubbed me the wrong way how in Turtle Temper, the group was sort of missing Raphael before they even went into battle, yet in this episode, none of them could really care less that Don had replaced himself with Metalhead, other than the fact that Matelhead was loud and in the way. And no one, not even Don, really seemed to realize in the end how he should appreciate his Bo for what it can do...I mean, I was pumped for the end when he was to realize it and his true capabilities and rise to defend his brothers when they needed him, but then the stupid Bo got snapped again! I mean, come on! It was like, they all get home, and oh hey, yeah Don this was your fault and you just proved our point at how useless you are. At least at the end of New Friend, Old Enemy, Mikey got a little pep talk with Raph at how he is appreciated, even though he screwed up royally too. Don just gets a short little whatever snippet with Splinter that doesn't really seem to drive home any sort of point at all.

**Jester** · 10-28-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

It feels like this episode was supposed to come before "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman". Donnie was complaining about his weapon, but in the Baxter episode, a blade popped out of his weapon. That also makes me wonder, when are they going to show more of his Naginata or whatever it's called (Bo staff with blade).

But didn't Baxter destroy Don's bo in the last episode?

*Hero* · 10-28-2012, 04:06 AM

I am sure Don has salvaged many a broom-handle for making extra bo-staffs with

FearlessLeader · 10-28-2012, 05:04 AM

Overall I really enjoyed this episode!

Has anyone else noticed the change in the dynamic of Raphael and Leo in this series? In Mirage and the 2003 series you would often see Leo make a call about something and Raphael having to question it. In this series I feel more like Raphael just goes with a lot of Leo 's decisions and then turns around to instead question what Don has to say.

It's a change and I like it. You can definitely see there is a very friendly rivalry between Leo and Raphael still but it seems much more like something familial that they both enjoy versus a daily power struggle for dominance. In a way I feel like it has mellowed Leo 's character out a little with a strong second in command he doesn't always feel like he needs to be watching over everyone 24 /7 for fear of them getting into danger. So he has developed his own hobbies.

I love Leo's obsession with Space Heroes more each week. Though I dread the impending episode when he will discover life is really not as black and white as his favorite show is.

I really find Don creeping on April very amusing, but in a way it also makes me a little sad because you know he is going to get his heart broken.

I am still pretty indifferent to April personally at this point and am mystified

FearlessLeader · 10-28-2012, 05:12 AM

I am sorry for the double post but for some reason my Kindle will not allow to finish my last post.

I just wanted to say I am mildly mystified by fandoms obsession with April in this series. She's an enjoyable character but I never recall in 2003 so many people wondering about her and almost looking forward more to her character then the guys.

I am seeing this more on Tumble then here but I think it means kudos for Nick for getting everyone so involved in her character. Even if I don't get it

BAXTER STOCKMAN 19 · 10-28-2012, 06:05 AM

A great episode! I liked it when Kraang started controlling metalheaed and he attacked the turtles! But i am very sad because at the end metalheaed destoyed and the turtles are still alive!

**Jester** · 10-28-2012, 07:06 AM

Silly question to Trekies: is the theme music to Space Heroes, the fight music from the Original Series?

Also, Leo tried to kill them with a FORKLIFT!! OLE!

Metalhead: "Take me too your Leader!"
Mikey (nonplussed): "Leo, it's for you..."

*BubblyShell22* · 10-28-2012, 08:30 AM

I think people weren't bothered about April in the 2K3 series because she showed up quite a bit. In this series, she hasn't shown up that much, and I think a lot of fans are bothered by it. But I hope that this episode makes up for that as it showed April being headstrong and doing what she felt was right despite what Leo said. And I agree with Prefight Doughnuts that April probably would have hit Leo if he hadn't given in to her request. It looked like she was going to.

And, yeah, that Mikey quote was funny. I forgot about that one.

FearlessLeader · 10-28-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I think people weren't bothered about April in the 2K3 series because she showed up quite a bit. In this series, she hasn't shown up that much, and I think a lot of fans are bothered by it. But I hope that this episode makes up for that as it showed April being headstrong and doing what she felt was right despite what Leo said. And I agree with Prefight Doughnuts that April probably would have hit Leo if he hadn't given in to her request. It looked like she was going to.

And, yeah, that Mikey quote was funny. I forgot about that one.

Had she hit Leo for simply being concerned about her welfare it would have made her look like a jerk.

I am glad they didn't do that.

*Donatello19* · 10-28-2012, 10:19 AM

Did anyone think Leo looked a little different when he was talking to April about going to the Kraang? He looked like one of those rubber costumes they used in the movies IMO. It may be that it's just because he was standing next to April so it made him seem bigger.

Bossa Nova · 10-28-2012, 10:57 AM

I agree that Raph and Leo's relationship in this take seems way less aggressive than it usually does, and I'm totally digging their punch-buddy sort of vibe they've got going on. Hell, I'm liking Leo more and more with each episode and that's a first for me!

My only beef is that it feels like Raph has to take his aggression out somewhere else so now it's simply being targeted even more so on Mikey and Don, which bothers me a bit, since even though his fighting with Mikey is no big deal (and some of that tension had already been quashed at the end of the episode with Bradford), I feel like it's causing a stress between him and Don that isn't usually there. I've always liked the dynamic between those two because it felt like they fought the least and had a sort of mutual understanding. This series it seems all they do is argue, which, although refreshing to see Don stand up for himself, sort of fell flat at how easily he seemed to let himself get abused by Raph in this particular episode. Would've preferred if Raph, or hell, any of his brothers, made some sort of acknowledgment that he and his 'useless bo' were actually an important part to the team, which I'd thought was the lesson we were supposed to get out of the whole ordeal (instead of reinforcing the idea that the bo really is a pretty stupid weapon and who would want it anyway).

shinefra · 10-28-2012, 11:05 AM

Why did the turtles acted like total idiots in this episode?

I mean they din't gave a crap about April and acted like total Duche bags, I know Raphael has always been a jerk but this time he was "Extra" annoying.

Ironically Mikey was the one who better behaved.

Anyway before some guy from the nick crew goes crying home because I criticized he's new show I want to say that I did liked the episode but, I found the way the turtles acted a little weird, like they weren't being themselves.

*The Stryker* · 10-28-2012, 11:41 AM

Oh look at you. So bad ass. Still completely missing the point.

Plus you can't really say they're not acting like themselves since it was pretty much in line with previous episodes. New show dawg.

Foot Soldier Clang · 10-28-2012, 12:18 PM

I really enjoyed this new episode. It was good to see April again, and I love how she's well aware and slightly annoyed by Donnie's feelings towards her. The new Metalhead is the cutest war machine ever, but I was a little disappointed he didn't have his own personality with A.I. or something. I was a little annoyed that when the turtles were fighting Kraang-Metalhead they didn't try to hit the Kraang part, but whatever. I can't wait until the next episode!

shinefra · 10-28-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Stryker

Oh look at you. So bad ass. Still completely missing the point.

Plus you can't really say they're not acting like themselves since it was pretty much in line with previous episodes. New show dawg.

What point? I'm not even comparing it with old shows.

marcelangelo · 10-28-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

Did anyone think Leo looked a little different when he was talking to April about going to the Kraang? He looked like one of those rubber costumes they used in the movies IMO. It may be that it's just because he was standing next to April so it made him seem bigger.

I think this is again a moment where the quality of the animation is so great that the surfaces(here the skin) looks just like real objects being lit by the same light as all the other things on screen..
I had this feeling quite a few times in previous episodes as well..for example in the 4th episode when raphael is talking to michelangelo in the alley before the foot attack for the first time...there his skin looks like real costume rubber texture from the first movie in my oppinion and this is a great feeling!

is that what you meant?

*sdp* · 10-28-2012, 01:37 PM

Not a bad episode but also not amazing, kinda fun. Donnie didn't sound like Raph for most of the episode to me so that made me pretty happy, I actually liked Rob as Donnie today because of it.

Something I forgot to mention last episode was how the turtles managed to throw a pizza to get rid of a bad guy and it didn't feel cheesy, heck even the OT never really did that besides once or twice and yet it worked here perfectly. I still don't like how they just let the bad guys escape, why not try to capture one of the kraang.

Metalhead was neat and I'd like to see it again in the future somehow. At least he got more closure than OT metalhead who was left open ended only to never be used again besides a quick cameo.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its quite possible the episodes are being aired out of order. This happens often with action cartoons.

I guess we'll never know though.

When the season is over we can place episodes in a more logical order if there are big inconsistencies. It's not that hard.

*TheCanadiandrome* · 10-28-2012, 02:22 PM

another good episode this week

*Donatello19* · 10-28-2012, 03:41 PM

If anyone missed this week's episode, you can watch it right here, with the commercials and all.

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liugeaux · 10-28-2012, 03:45 PM

I absolutely loved this episode, but with that said the creators have either decided to take their sweet time with all the story arcs or their primary focus is establishing characters that can be made into action figs. For a few eps we've had a "villain of the week" scenario, and this episode only misses that tag by having a new friend rather than foe.

I'm not opposed to new characters, its a kids show and they must make money somewhere, but of the two main story lines (The Kraang/April's Dad, and The Shredder/The Foot), zero progress has been made and this is the 6th episode.

This really only works because the show is so funny, and this total lack of progression is giving us some quality time with the personality development in the turtles themselves.

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10-27-2012, 11:49 PM	#61
Bossa Nova Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: United States, California Posts: 592	Blah, I was so excited for this episode all week, and I can't help but feel totally let down.My sister and I rewatched the older episodes before this, and I gotta say I wish that Don had acted more like he did in the premier than how he was portrayed here. I liked premier Don because he was struck me as more of a wiseass, at least in regards to Raph's poking fun of him and how he took the initiative to be a bit more daring and reckless when it came to what he felt was right. In this episode, he just sort of took it or "defended" himself in a way that made him look even more like a dork. Also rubbed me the wrong way how in Turtle Temper, the group was sort of missing Raphael before they even went into battle, yet in this episode, none of them could really care less that Don had replaced himself with Metalhead, other than the fact that Matelhead was loud and in the way. And no one, not even Don, really seemed to realize in the end how he should appreciate his Bo for what it can do...I mean, I was pumped for the end when he was to realize it and his true capabilities and rise to defend his brothers when they needed him, but then the stupid Bo got snapped again! I mean, come on! It was like, they all get home, and oh hey, yeah Don this was your fault and you just proved our point at how useless you are. At least at the end of New Friend, Old Enemy, Mikey got a little pep talk with Raph at how he is appreciated, even though he screwed up royally too. Don just gets a short little whatever snippet with Splinter that doesn't really seem to drive home any sort of point at all. __________________ Nova's TMNT Fanfics

10-28-2012, 04:06 AM	#63
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10-28-2012, 05:04 AM	#64
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	Overall I really enjoyed this episode! Has anyone else noticed the change in the dynamic of Raphael and Leo in this series? In Mirage and the 2003 series you would often see Leo make a call about something and Raphael having to question it. In this series I feel more like Raphael just goes with a lot of Leo 's decisions and then turns around to instead question what Don has to say. It's a change and I like it. You can definitely see there is a very friendly rivalry between Leo and Raphael still but it seems much more like something familial that they both enjoy versus a daily power struggle for dominance. In a way I feel like it has mellowed Leo 's character out a little with a strong second in command he doesn't always feel like he needs to be watching over everyone 24 /7 for fear of them getting into danger. So he has developed his own hobbies. I love Leo's obsession with Space Heroes more each week. Though I dread the impending episode when he will discover life is really not as black and white as his favorite show is. I really find Don creeping on April very amusing, but in a way it also makes me a little sad because you know he is going to get his heart broken. I am still pretty indifferent to April personally at this point and am mystified __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

10-28-2012, 05:12 AM	#65
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	I am sorry for the double post but for some reason my Kindle will not allow to finish my last post. I just wanted to say I am mildly mystified by fandoms obsession with April in this series. She's an enjoyable character but I never recall in 2003 so many people wondering about her and almost looking forward more to her character then the guys. I am seeing this more on Tumble then here but I think it means kudos for Nick for getting everyone so involved in her character. Even if I don't get it __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

10-28-2012, 06:05 AM	#66
BAXTER STOCKMAN 19 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Greece Posts: 661	A great episode! I liked it when Kraang started controlling metalheaed and he attacked the turtles! But i am very sad because at the end metalheaed destoyed and the turtles are still alive!

10-28-2012, 07:06 AM	#67
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Silly question to Trekies: is the theme music to Space Heroes, the fight music from the Original Series? Also, Leo tried to kill them with a FORKLIFT!! OLE! Metalhead: "Take me too your Leader!" Mikey (nonplussed): "Leo, it's for you..." __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-28-2012, 08:30 AM	#68
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I think people weren't bothered about April in the 2K3 series because she showed up quite a bit. In this series, she hasn't shown up that much, and I think a lot of fans are bothered by it. But I hope that this episode makes up for that as it showed April being headstrong and doing what she felt was right despite what Leo said. And I agree with Prefight Doughnuts that April probably would have hit Leo if he hadn't given in to her request. It looked like she was going to. And, yeah, that Mikey quote was funny. I forgot about that one. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-28-2012, 10:19 AM	#70
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Did anyone think Leo looked a little different when he was talking to April about going to the Kraang? He looked like one of those rubber costumes they used in the movies IMO. It may be that it's just because he was standing next to April so it made him seem bigger.

10-28-2012, 10:57 AM	#71
Bossa Nova Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: United States, California Posts: 592	I agree that Raph and Leo's relationship in this take seems way less aggressive than it usually does, and I'm totally digging their punch-buddy sort of vibe they've got going on. Hell, I'm liking Leo more and more with each episode and that's a first for me! My only beef is that it feels like Raph has to take his aggression out somewhere else so now it's simply being targeted even more so on Mikey and Don, which bothers me a bit, since even though his fighting with Mikey is no big deal (and some of that tension had already been quashed at the end of the episode with Bradford), I feel like it's causing a stress between him and Don that isn't usually there. I've always liked the dynamic between those two because it felt like they fought the least and had a sort of mutual understanding. This series it seems all they do is argue, which, although refreshing to see Don stand up for himself, sort of fell flat at how easily he seemed to let himself get abused by Raph in this particular episode. Would've preferred if Raph, or hell, any of his brothers, made some sort of acknowledgment that he and his 'useless bo' were actually an important part to the team, which I'd thought was the lesson we were supposed to get out of the whole ordeal (instead of reinforcing the idea that the bo really is a pretty stupid weapon and who would want it anyway). __________________ Nova's TMNT Fanfics

10-28-2012, 11:05 AM	#72
shinefra Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: México Posts: 273	Why did the turtles acted like total idiots in this episode? I mean they din't gave a crap about April and acted like total Duche bags, I know Raphael has always been a jerk but this time he was "Extra" annoying. Ironically Mikey was the one who better behaved. Anyway before some guy from the nick crew goes crying home because I criticized he's new show I want to say that I did liked the episode but, I found the way the turtles acted a little weird, like they weren't being themselves.

10-28-2012, 11:41 AM	#73
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Oh look at you. So bad ass. Still completely missing the point. Plus you can't really say they're not acting like themselves since it was pretty much in line with previous episodes. New show dawg. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@ Last edited by The Stryker; 10-28-2012 at 11:57 AM.

10-28-2012, 12:18 PM	#74
Foot Soldier Clang Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Big Apple, 3am Posts: 456	I really enjoyed this new episode. It was good to see April again, and I love how she's well aware and slightly annoyed by Donnie's feelings towards her. The new Metalhead is the cutest war machine ever, but I was a little disappointed he didn't have his own personality with A.I. or something. I was a little annoyed that when the turtles were fighting Kraang-Metalhead they didn't try to hit the Kraang part, but whatever. I can't wait until the next episode! __________________ My Collection

10-28-2012, 02:22 PM	#78
TheCanadiandrome Big, Bad & Bold Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Inside the Technodrome; Shredderville; Saskatchewan Posts: 19,719	another good episode this week __________________ Add me: PSN/XBL; Nintendo Network ID: BDS-3.1.6; Switch FC: SW-3378-5206-8020 TMNT Fan Club: http://sot.ag/4jZR0 Visit My Wish List: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=30904 My Collection: http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=40276

10-28-2012, 03:41 PM	#79
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	If anyone missed this week's episode, you can watch it right here, with the commercials and all. [Edit per MB: Sorry, no website links allowed per Forum Rules]

10-28-2012, 03:45 PM	#80
liugeaux Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 329	I absolutely loved this episode, but with that said the creators have either decided to take their sweet time with all the story arcs or their primary focus is establishing characters that can be made into action figs. For a few eps we've had a "villain of the week" scenario, and this episode only misses that tag by having a new friend rather than foe. I'm not opposed to new characters, its a kids show and they must make money somewhere, but of the two main story lines (The Kraang/April's Dad, and The Shredder/The Foot), zero progress has been made and this is the 6th episode. This really only works because the show is so funny, and this total lack of progression is giving us some quality time with the personality development in the turtles themselves.