What is it that this new series has...

MST3KFan · 11-22-2012, 11:16 AM

...that the previous attempts at TMNT revival after the original cartoon series did not?

The toys are selling like crazy, the cartoon is widely watched...

I'm just curious here as to how the new Nick 2012 show seems to have struck that TMNT chord perfectly that the original cartoon and toyline did back in the late 80s.
I hear everywhere on the internet about how it's a big hit. The toys are predicted to be a big seller for the holiday season.

What is it that this latest incarnation has that the previous TMNT stuff that came after the original series did not that seems to have clicked?
Is it the mix of classic with a more modern feel? Is it that fact that there is a lot of nods to the original cartoon and toyline in everything? I'm curious.

Don't get me wrong here. I enjoy the new toys and cartoon. I just recall no where near that much attention given to say...the 2003 series or obviously Next Mutation...

Let us discusss thoughts.

*Donatello19* · 11-22-2012, 11:24 AM

Simple, it's on Nickelodeon.

*NinjaMan* · 11-22-2012, 11:27 AM

For me, I personally like the brotherly chemistry. That's my favorite part besides the character designs. The 4 of them really act like brothers. For my 3 year old, I think she likes the designs of the characters. And after a few mins of watching the premier she knew all 4 of their names and their colors.

*chrisdude* · 11-22-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

Simple, it's on Nickelodeon.

Yup. Nick was promoting the bajeesus out of this, long before anyone had a chance to see how good it was.

That being said, I doubt any version of TMNT has been so widely accepted and praised by fans since the first or second movie...

*MrTMNT2012* · 11-22-2012, 11:59 AM

Its doing amazingly well because of the people behind it. They got Emmys, Annies, Peabody Awards, all kinds of wonderful talent and Voice Talent behind it! It's Nickelodeons BEST Show right now. They understood what made these characters so popular in the 90's and they are doing a damn fine job at recapturing that magic for the new generation (Something the 2003 Series Completely missed).

I was thinking about how Spongebob is Nickelodeons highest viewed show right now (2nd Being Turtles) and how TMNT should have beaten it in terms of views by now but, Spongebob had very low views when it started out and it got higher and higher as the Show went along resulting in Video Games, Movies, TV Specials, Figures.

Just think about this Show in a few years....it's already doing really good so It's only gonna get more popular (Unless I'm missing something). I don't know about the action figures, can someone give me proof that its selling more than the 2003 figures line?

And as for the viewers for the Show, the Newest Episode garnered 2.8 Million during thanksgiving and keep in mind most people thought a new Episode wouldn't air so its doing really good! I'm sure the series will stay at 3 Million average for its 1st Season. Does anyone have the Kids 6-12 Ratings for last Saturdays Episode? And I'm really eager to know what Kids think of this new Show, does anybody know?

*Galactus* · 11-22-2012, 12:39 PM

Big company behind it.

I don't think 2K3 did shabbily at all. The CGI movie didn't either and while bringing new elements in was essentialy a sanitized version of the show.

Let's not forget that it was the movie that made Nick want to do a CGI series and while again using new elements the new series is very much inspired by the 2K7 movie.

*CyberCubed* · 11-22-2012, 01:13 PM

The show isn't that big a hit ratings wise at least not yet. Ratings have been declining rapidly since the opener.

Irishmile · 11-22-2012, 01:18 PM

Good writing, good cast, good animation, good promotion, qualitly toys, and yes being on Nick has really helped.

*BubblyShell22* · 11-22-2012, 03:31 PM

I like the fact that it has everything in it. Not just lighthearted stuff but that it can get dark and gritty as well. Plus, all of the references to what came before hasn't hurt either. I love this show and hope that it sticks around for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I loved 2K3 and the CGI movie, but this show has a lot more to it, and that's what I like. Plus, the fighting scenes are awesome.

*TurtleTitan97* · 11-22-2012, 06:27 PM

I really like the fact that the turtles actually act and look like teens in this show. Also love the amazing fight scenes in this show, along with the Japanese influcence, like the turtles and Splinter speaking Japanese, using chopsticks, etc.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-22-2012, 07:16 PM

Kinda cool how the Turtles and Splinter are a family... without having to call each other 'brother' and 'father' every few minutes.

TMNT-Leonardo · 11-22-2012, 07:22 PM

I like how the turtles act more like brothers to each other than the other TV incarnations. The 87 series for example, I got more of a best friend feeling with they way they inceract with each other.

I also like how Splinter is written. To date, he's probably my favorite TV version. The way he talks and teaches the turtles, makes me feel like he's an actual Sensei. Not to mention little body gestures like walking with his hands behind him (which my Sifu does).

The martial art teachings that Spilnter says are also well written.

Avatar Yuffie · 11-22-2012, 07:57 PM

I like the family dynamics. This is my favorite version of Splinter as well.

The way he grounded his kids for making a mess and he knew they're sneaking out but he still waited for them to spit out what's happened in "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman" (he later retract the grounded part, but he still punished them) is really spot on how much of a stern but fair dad he was.

I like how Leo likes hanging out with Raph, how Mikey loves annoying everyone and how easily high strung and short tempered Don was with the shenanigans (Don's always been my favorite, but he was WAY too nice in 2K3). Actually, RAPH gave the impression he's the sane one among his brothers' quirkiness, and that's a refreshing view instead of "angry black sheep".

*Coola Yagami* · 11-22-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatar Yuffie

I like the family dynamics. This is my favorite version of Splinter as well.

The way he grounded his kids for making a mess and he knew they're sneaking out but he still waited for them to spit out what's happened in "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman" (he later retract the grounded part, but he still punished them) is really spot on how much of a stern but fair dad he was.

I like how Leo likes hanging out with Raph, how Mikey loves annoying everyone and how easily high strung and short tempered Don was with the shenanigans (Don's always been my favorite, but he was WAY too nice in 2K3). Actually, RAPH gave the impression he's the sane one among his brothers' quirkiness, and that's a refreshing view instead of "angry black sheep".

yeah I notice that. Between Leo's superhero antics, Don's technobabble nerdiness and Mikey being Mikey, Raph seems to be the one with the most common sense, despite his 'fight first ask later' attitude.

*Galactus* · 11-22-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Kinda cool how the Turtles and Splinter are a family... without having to call each other 'brother' and 'father' every few minutes.

I can't think of any iteration of TMNT that has done this. In fact the turtles calling Splinter "father" started with the aforementioned CGI flick and was jumped on in BTTS which felt a bit odd since while the 2003 turtles clearly viewed him as their father they never referred to him as such prior to that season. The Nick turtles have done this more than any other iteration. Surely small things like this arn't the reason why the Nick show seems to be a bigger revival than past attempts?

I stand by the fact that a bigger company is behind it and thus gets bigger results.

Another reason I think is the growing presence of the internet and growing presence of blogs and social networking and specificaly sites dedicated to nerd culture. There's all manner of websites dedicated to promoting comic book related and sci fi and fantasy properties. Not many of these things were around back in '03 to feature the 4kids show. There were no websites reviewing it or posting info about upcoming episodes or hyping up characters that may appear. The new show had benefitted greatly from this in my opinion.

zodiac brave · 11-24-2012, 03:15 PM

im just now watching the bulk of the 2k3 series and i feel like a lot of times it takes itself a lil too seriously and tries a bit too hard to be "cool". don't get me wrong, i absolutely love it, but it feels like it doesn't have the same confidence behind it that the nick series does. it feels like the nick show is perfectly comfortable being a tween show and can strafe the line between super-cute/kiddie and bad-ass/awesome with ease.

*CyberCubed* · 11-24-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zodiac brave

im just now watching the bulk of the 2k3 series and i feel like a lot of times it takes itself a lil too seriously and tries a bit too hard to be "cool". don't get me wrong, i absolutely love it, but it feels like it doesn't have the same confidence behind it that the nick series does.

What on earth do you mean by, "same confidence?"

The 4kids series actually pushed the boundaries for what was allowed on Saturday mornings, some of the action (and death scenes) were something nobody expected the show to do. The series had actual impalement for goodness sakes. As well as the sense of continuity.

If only the 4kids series had better humor, which was what it lacked overall, it would have been even better.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 11-25-2012, 05:03 AM

Nickelodeon is a huge company that everyone watches, and they've got great voice actors under their wing. The 4Kids incanation never got this attention because KidsWB was not a widely known channel.

The Big Bad · 11-25-2012, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What on earth do you mean by, "same confidence?"

The 4kids series actually pushed the boundaries for what was allowed on Saturday mornings, some of the action (and death scenes) were something nobody expected the show to do. The series had actual impalement for goodness sakes. As well as the sense of continuity.

If only the 4kids series had better humor, which was what it lacked overall, it would have been even better.

That has more to do with guts, though, which doesn't necessarily translate into confidence. Confidence in this context is the absolute belief that what one is doing will work, and I agree that this cartoon exhudes it in ways the 4kids toon did. For example, the first and second seasons of the 4Kids toon occasionally had parts where the turtles would recap what had gone before in very forced ways (these are separate from the opening narrations/recaps). These scenes were completely unecessary, and (to me, anyway) gave the impression that they'd been included out of fear that the viewers would not be able to follow the ongoing plot. More notably, the entire seventh season is lacking in confidence, which is why a lot of it was spent on a retread of previous plotlines.

The Nick cartoon, on the other hand, has a lot of confidence in what it's doing. In telling their version of their story, they've changed around a lot of things, and have gone about those changes in an unapologetic way. The show as it is drips with the belief that they really are making the best version of the turtles ever. Heck, it's the reason why I don't have any confidence that the show will become more enjoyable for me over time: if they have absolute confidence in their awesomeness, then there's no reason for them to ever change.

*CyberCubed* · 11-25-2012, 07:39 AM

Gargoyles had the same recaps before most episodes. They would show clips from Season 1 episodes while we were in the end of Season 2 for example just
to remind people of something that happened 50 or so episodes ago.

As for the Nick show, what exactly did they change?

- Splinter being Hamato Yoshi again was something they knew would be accepted because its his original cartoon origin and what people are used to.

- The Turtles having new enemies/mutants, etc. is done in every incarnation, everyone knew there would be new characters. Some aren't well received like Spiderbitez while others are.

- The Kraang are basically evil versions of the Utroms.

- April being 16 was the major game changer, but everyone feels it worked out for the best because these Turtles act like real teens. Having April closer to their age has worked out wonderfully.

- Mike's nunchucks becoming a Kurisama is no big deal and is accepted.

- The alterations to the Turtles personalities is something that's done in every incarnation, but in essence they still have the same basic character archetypes they've always had.

11-22-2012, 11:16 AM	#1
MST3KFan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 485	What is it that this new series has... ...that the previous attempts at TMNT revival after the original cartoon series did not? The toys are selling like crazy, the cartoon is widely watched... I'm just curious here as to how the new Nick 2012 show seems to have struck that TMNT chord perfectly that the original cartoon and toyline did back in the late 80s. I hear everywhere on the internet about how it's a big hit. The toys are predicted to be a big seller for the holiday season. What is it that this latest incarnation has that the previous TMNT stuff that came after the original series did not that seems to have clicked? Is it the mix of classic with a more modern feel? Is it that fact that there is a lot of nods to the original cartoon and toyline in everything? I'm curious. Don't get me wrong here. I enjoy the new toys and cartoon. I just recall no where near that much attention given to say...the 2003 series or obviously Next Mutation... Let us discusss thoughts.

11-22-2012, 01:18 PM	#8
Irishmile Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 331	Good writing, good cast, good animation, good promotion, qualitly toys, and yes being on Nick has really helped. __________________

11-22-2012, 03:31 PM	#9
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I like the fact that it has everything in it. Not just lighthearted stuff but that it can get dark and gritty as well. Plus, all of the references to what came before hasn't hurt either. I love this show and hope that it sticks around for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I loved 2K3 and the CGI movie, but this show has a lot more to it, and that's what I like. Plus, the fighting scenes are awesome. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

11-22-2012, 06:27 PM	#10
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	I really like the fact that the turtles actually act and look like teens in this show. Also love the amazing fight scenes in this show, along with the Japanese influcence, like the turtles and Splinter speaking Japanese, using chopsticks, etc. __________________

11-22-2012, 07:16 PM	#11
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,682	Kinda cool how the Turtles and Splinter are a family... without having to call each other 'brother' and 'father' every few minutes. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

11-22-2012, 11:24 AM	#2
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Simple, it's on Nickelodeon.

11-22-2012, 11:27 AM	#3
NinjaMan Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,579	For me, I personally like the brotherly chemistry. That's my favorite part besides the character designs. The 4 of them really act like brothers. For my 3 year old, I think she likes the designs of the characters. And after a few mins of watching the premier she knew all 4 of their names and their colors.

11-22-2012, 11:59 AM	#5
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	Its doing amazingly well because of the people behind it. They got Emmys, Annies, Peabody Awards, all kinds of wonderful talent and Voice Talent behind it! It's Nickelodeons BEST Show right now. They understood what made these characters so popular in the 90's and they are doing a damn fine job at recapturing that magic for the new generation (Something the 2003 Series Completely missed). I was thinking about how Spongebob is Nickelodeons highest viewed show right now (2nd Being Turtles) and how TMNT should have beaten it in terms of views by now but, Spongebob had very low views when it started out and it got higher and higher as the Show went along resulting in Video Games, Movies, TV Specials, Figures. Just think about this Show in a few years....it's already doing really good so It's only gonna get more popular (Unless I'm missing something). I don't know about the action figures, can someone give me proof that its selling more than the 2003 figures line? And as for the viewers for the Show, the Newest Episode garnered 2.8 Million during thanksgiving and keep in mind most people thought a new Episode wouldn't air so its doing really good! I'm sure the series will stay at 3 Million average for its 1st Season. Does anyone have the Kids 6-12 Ratings for last Saturdays Episode? And I'm really eager to know what Kids think of this new Show, does anybody know?

11-22-2012, 12:39 PM	#6
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	Big company behind it. I don't think 2K3 did shabbily at all. The CGI movie didn't either and while bringing new elements in was essentialy a sanitized version of the show. Let's not forget that it was the movie that made Nick want to do a CGI series and while again using new elements the new series is very much inspired by the 2K7 movie.

11-22-2012, 01:13 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,795	The show isn't that big a hit ratings wise at least not yet. Ratings have been declining rapidly since the opener.

11-22-2012, 07:22 PM	#12
TMNT-Leonardo Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 265	I like how the turtles act more like brothers to each other than the other TV incarnations. The 87 series for example, I got more of a best friend feeling with they way they inceract with each other. I also like how Splinter is written. To date, he's probably my favorite TV version. The way he talks and teaches the turtles, makes me feel like he's an actual Sensei. Not to mention little body gestures like walking with his hands behind him (which my Sifu does). The martial art teachings that Spilnter says are also well written. __________________ Turtle Power!

11-22-2012, 07:57 PM	#13
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	I like the family dynamics. This is my favorite version of Splinter as well. The way he grounded his kids for making a mess and he knew they're sneaking out but he still waited for them to spit out what's happened in "I Think His Name Is Baxter Stockman" (he later retract the grounded part, but he still punished them) is really spot on how much of a stern but fair dad he was. I like how Leo likes hanging out with Raph, how Mikey loves annoying everyone and how easily high strung and short tempered Don was with the shenanigans (Don's always been my favorite, but he was WAY too nice in 2K3). Actually, RAPH gave the impression he's the sane one among his brothers' quirkiness, and that's a refreshing view instead of "angry black sheep". __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy) Last edited by Avatar Yuffie; 11-22-2012 at 08:09 PM.

11-24-2012, 03:15 PM	#16
zodiac brave Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: san antonio, tx Posts: 822	im just now watching the bulk of the 2k3 series and i feel like a lot of times it takes itself a lil too seriously and tries a bit too hard to be "cool". don't get me wrong, i absolutely love it, but it feels like it doesn't have the same confidence behind it that the nick series does. it feels like the nick show is perfectly comfortable being a tween show and can strafe the line between super-cute/kiddie and bad-ass/awesome with ease. __________________ what we were after, was lashings of ultra-violence.

11-25-2012, 07:39 AM	#20
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,795	Gargoyles had the same recaps before most episodes. They would show clips from Season 1 episodes while we were in the end of Season 2 for example just to remind people of something that happened 50 or so episodes ago. As for the Nick show, what exactly did they change? - Splinter being Hamato Yoshi again was something they knew would be accepted because its his original cartoon origin and what people are used to. - The Turtles having new enemies/mutants, etc. is done in every incarnation, everyone knew there would be new characters. Some aren't well received like Spiderbitez while others are. - The Kraang are basically evil versions of the Utroms. - April being 16 was the major game changer, but everyone feels it worked out for the best because these Turtles act like real teens. Having April closer to their age has worked out wonderfully. - Mike's nunchucks becoming a Kurisama is no big deal and is accepted. - The alterations to the Turtles personalities is something that's done in every incarnation, but in essence they still have the same basic character archetypes they've always had.