Disclaimer in Tales trades

*CyberCubed* · 01-06-2013, 06:47 PM

Did this thing come out back in December? Did anyone buy it? I haven't heard anyone say anything about it.

What do those 4 Tales issues look like in color? And did they keep the old Frontipieces or the new ones from the 2007 collection?

rufus · 01-06-2013, 07:22 PM

This one?
http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Teenage-...es+of+the+tmnt
If so Coloring looked good IMO.

HugeBadWolf · 01-07-2013, 03:07 AM

Yep, I bought it.
Liked the stories better than the softback Classics collections, never saw the original versions so don't know whether the frontpieces are new or old, but the colours seem to fit.

Can't work out why IDW felt they had to put a disclaimer at the front about the comics being 80's reprints and there fore representing 80's attitudes though...

Cheers,
Doug

*DrSpengler* · 01-07-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HugeBadWolf

Yep, I bought it.
Can't work out why IDW felt they had to put a disclaimer at the front about the comics being 80's reprints and there fore representing 80's attitudes though...

Whoah, wha?

I hadn't heard about that. So IDW found something in those first 4 issues to be culturally insensitive and slapped a disclaimer on the cover?

That's... strange. Maybe it was issue #3 that they thought might offend some cultures?

Usually those sorts of "this is racist and we're very sorry" disclaimers are reserved for WWII propaganda and stuff.

HugeBadWolf · 01-07-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Whoah, wha?

I hadn't heard about that. So IDW found something in those first 4 issues to be culturally insensitive and slapped a disclaimer on the cover?

That's... strange. Maybe it was issue #2 that they thought might offend some cultures?

Usually those sorts of "this is racist and we're very sorry" disclaimers are reserved for WWII propaganda and stuff.

Yep, just tucked on the credits page, will try and get a scan/pic later

Was looking forward to being offended but ended up disapointed :lol

Cheers,
Doug

*ToTheNines* · 01-07-2013, 08:11 AM

Huh... no way. Pretty funny.

HugeBadWolf · 01-07-2013, 08:24 AM

That's the one, thanks for putting that up, mate. Saved me a job

Cheers,
Doug

*Ninjinister* · 01-07-2013, 09:17 AM

I'm offended by the disclaimer.

FoxZerro · 01-07-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Prefight Doughnuts

I'm offended by the disclaimer.

As am I, thinking back over the issues I can't think of anything that could be misinterpreted. I am alright with them saying they were intended for Mature audiences, since most of the new Turtle Fans are children and after the Jason Biggs fiasco I understand Nick and Viacom wanting to insure that people know they aren't creatively responsible for more mature stories.

The values thing though that definitely rubs me the wrong way. Is it that Casey intends to Spray Paint the factory?

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

That's... strange. Maybe it was issue #2 that they thought might offend some cultures?

Spengs what in Issue 2 could be construed as culturally insensitive?

liugeaux · 01-07-2013, 10:11 AM

Well, vandalism is a crime and Casey is a good guy. Technically that sends the wrong message and as a company that caters exclusively to children (Nick), its better to cover their backs than to not publish the work or alter it.

*DrSpengler* · 01-07-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxZerro

Spengs what in Issue 2 could be construed as culturally insensitive?

Meant issue 3, my bad. Some sensitive soul somewhere might take a slight at the King of Thieves having an ethnic manservent named Hadji, but that's just grasping at straws. I really can't see anything being culturally insensitive in these issues. Maybe the disclaimer is regarding the violence? But then, the Ultimate collections don't have such disclaimers and they're far bloodier.

*oldmanwinters* · 01-07-2013, 10:36 AM

Haha, that's great! Even early seasons of Sesame Street on DVD have disclaimers on them. Our culture is so sensitive these days...

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Meant issue 3, my bad. Some sensitive soul somewhere might take a slight at the King of Thieves having an ethnic manservent named Hadji, but that's just grasping at straws. I really can't see anything being culturally insensitive in these issues. Maybe the disclaimer is regarding the violence? But then, the Ultimate collections don't have such disclaimers and they're far bloodier.

When Jester and I were preparing for our Fan Commentary on "All Hallows Thieves," he actually looked up the translation of some of the King's incantations in the issue. I seem to remember him saying there were some things that could have been considered controversial for cultural-religious sensibilities.

*CyberCubed* · 01-07-2013, 11:27 AM

Wow, that's pretty interesting. I wonder if Bobby knows anything about this. I know he said the trades aren't his department, but I'm awfully curious.

FoxZerro · 01-07-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Meant issue 3, my bad. Some sensitive soul somewhere might take a slight at the King of Thieves having an ethnic manservent named Hadji, but that's just grasping at straws. I really can't see anything being culturally insensitive in these issues. Maybe the disclaimer is regarding the violence? But then, the Ultimate collections don't have such disclaimers and they're far bloodier.

Thanks for clarifying... I was racking my brain trying to think what might offend in that issue. All I could come up with is that it paints Springfield Massachusetts as a wretched hive of scum and villany, but having been there many a time, I felt it was a fairly accurate depictions.

My guess regarding the disclaimers is that the Ultimate Collections were released before Turtlemania 3.1 began so they were aimed at more of the adult collector at the time. Plus being in colour and with that bright friendly cover it would definitely be something that might catch a younger readers eyes.

Bobby Curnow · 01-07-2013, 03:27 PM

I'm not sure how much I'm at liberty to say, but pretty much all of you guys in the last four or five posts are barking up the right tree. Those were all concerns.

*CyberCubed* · 01-07-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Curnow

I'm not sure how much I'm at liberty to say, but pretty much all of you guys in the last four or five posts are barking up the right tree. Those were all concerns.

Hm, the popularity of the cartoon with kids is now making Nick worried that these 7-8 year olds will be picking up mature comics?

I hope this doesn't cause Nick to tell IDW to tone down the stories for younger readers.

Hardshell · 01-07-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Hm, the popularity of the cartoon with kids is now making Nick worried that these 7-8 year olds will be picking up mature comics?

I hope this doesn't cause Nick to tell IDW to tone down the stories for younger readers.

I doubt it, Cyber. IDW is clearly listing the age ratings on their comics. The "Tales" trade had "Recommended for 13 and up" clearly on it. The monthly comic is also listed for Teens. There's nothing to worry about.

*CyberCubed* · 01-07-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardshell

I doubt it, Cyber. IDW is clearly listing the age ratings on their comics. The "Tales" trade had "Recommended for 13 and up" clearly on it. The monthly comic is also listed for Teens. There's nothing to worry about.

The difference is back in 2011 and for early 2012 the IDW comic and trades were the only new TMNT stuff coming out, so they didn't have to worry about younger kids discovering them.

But now that the Nick cartoon started a whole bunch of kids are coming to the franchise for the first time. They may see some of the Turtle trades on book shelves and think they're the same as the show. You know how many parents stupidly buy their kids violent videogames, its the same deal here.

Hardshell · 01-07-2013, 05:24 PM

Again, the books are clearly labelled. You would have to be pretty hard-pressed to not notice the clear labels IDW is putting on these collections. A fair amount of trades have come out from IDW since the August 2012 or so, and so far I haven't seen any reports of any mistaken purchases. If they are mistakenly picked up, the parents only have themselves to blame.

*oldmanwinters* · 01-07-2013, 08:28 PM

Okay, here it is:

Y'all can look that up if you want to.

01-06-2013, 06:47 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,864	Disclaimer in Tales trades Did this thing come out back in December? Did anyone buy it? I haven't heard anyone say anything about it. What do those 4 Tales issues look like in color? And did they keep the old Frontipieces or the new ones from the 2007 collection?

01-07-2013, 09:17 AM	#8
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	I'm offended by the disclaimer. __________________

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liugeaux Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 329	Well, vandalism is a crime and Casey is a good guy. Technically that sends the wrong message and as a company that caters exclusively to children (Nick), its better to cover their backs than to not publish the work or alter it. __________________ My Blog: liugeaux.com My Podcast!: Reality Breached My Ninja Turtles Podcast: Shellheads: A TMNT Podcast

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oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,497	Okay, here it is: Y'all can look that up if you want to. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

01-06-2013, 07:22 PM	#2
rufus Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lawrenceville,Georgia Posts: 780	This one? http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Teenage-...es+of+the+tmnt If so Coloring looked good IMO. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/edgartooms ^TMNT Stopmotions.

01-07-2013, 03:07 AM	#3
HugeBadWolf Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: #RDG, UK Posts: 170	Yep, I bought it. Liked the stories better than the softback Classics collections, never saw the original versions so don't know whether the frontpieces are new or old, but the colours seem to fit. Can't work out why IDW felt they had to put a disclaimer at the front about the comics being 80's reprints and there fore representing 80's attitudes though... Cheers, Doug

01-07-2013, 08:24 AM	#7
HugeBadWolf Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: #RDG, UK Posts: 170	That's the one, thanks for putting that up, mate. Saved me a job Cheers, Doug

01-07-2013, 11:27 AM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,864	Wow, that's pretty interesting. I wonder if Bobby knows anything about this. I know he said the trades aren't his department, but I'm awfully curious.

01-07-2013, 03:27 PM	#15
Bobby Curnow Official TMNT Staff/Cast Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,518	I'm not sure how much I'm at liberty to say, but pretty much all of you guys in the last four or five posts are barking up the right tree. Those were all concerns.

01-07-2013, 05:24 PM	#19
Hardshell Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 106	Again, the books are clearly labelled. You would have to be pretty hard-pressed to not notice the clear labels IDW is putting on these collections. A fair amount of trades have come out from IDW since the August 2012 or so, and so far I haven't seen any reports of any mistaken purchases. If they are mistakenly picked up, the parents only have themselves to blame.