Is TMNT thriving because all other action cartoons are being canceled?

[CyberCubed]

Does anyone else think the reason all little kids are watching Nick's TMNT is because a lot of other action shows are being canceled?

If you haven't heard the sad news, both Young Justice and Green Lantern are confirmed to be canceled by CN after the remaining episodes air.

Thundercats was canceled after one season. Spectacular Spiderman and Wolverine & the X-men were both canceled after 26 episodes. Avengers ended after 52 episodes.

And the only other superhero show airing with new episodes confirmed is Ultimate Spiderman, which everyone agrees is crap. Other than, "Beware the Batman," there are almost no other action/superhero shows going to be in competition with TMNT for a while.

So to keep count:

1. Young Justice = canceled
2. Green Lantern = canceled
3. Spectacular Spiderman = canceled
4. Wolverine and the X-men = canceled
5. Avengers = canceled
6. Thundercats = canceled

While it makes me sad that all these great superhero shows are being canceled, it makes me wonder if it'll lead to the longevity of Nick's TMNT, because kids will probably want to watch at least one action show instead of all the usual comedies that both CN and Nick go for otherwise.

[Ninjinister]

It's thriving because it's f**king good and has people handling it that care. The other hero shows have handlers (not writers/artists whatnot... the people that make decisions on renewal) that don't give a poop.

The official word on YJ and GL getting canceled, today, is a terrible scar I'm still trying to bear, though. Especially since the last episode of GL was so damn amazing on so many levels that I was wondering how they'd top it next season :/

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Prefight Doughnuts

Especially since the last episode of GL was so damn amazing on so many levels that I was wondering how they'd top it next season :/

Well, you don't need to wonder about that anymore.

[CyberCubed]

I suppose we should be lucky that Nick owns the TMNT IP 100%, rather than just co-funding the show like Fred Wolf or 4kids.

Nick spent $60 million to purchase TMNT from Mirage, so here's hoping we get a nice long run out of this show. My hope is 7 seasons, but my dream is to see it be the first TMNT cartoon to reach the milestone 200 episode barrier.

If the show keeps up with 26 eps per season, we'd get there by around Season 8 or 9.

[Vegeta]

the nick remake is better than all of those cartoons imo. I like thundercats, but the remake (minus the good animation) was pretty crap. Nick's show has good writing so it should have a nice healthy run

[Powder]

Humans are out, turtles are in.

[Shark_Blade]

TMNT wins because their show is THAT GOOD.

[BabyTurtles]

I still can't get over the Young Justice thing.....but all those hiatuses......

Nick seems to be handling TMNT with alot of care :3 hopefully it continues

im not sure the cancelations of the other shows are helping nick
but I just think TMNT2012 is just plain good :3

but now with all the canceled shows...it might help TMNT.....I know I'm gonna be a little more obsessed since young justice and green lantern are going to be over soon....

[drewizzle88]

Trying to look at it from a kids standpoint, it has fun and entertaining episodes, always introducing new things and characters, really kick ass CGI, and has some fun toys.

Going into the Nick cartoon I had pretty low expectations, wasn't a fan of CGI cartoons, thought the turtles feet and wraps were going to look stupid, new voices to get used to, I figured I'd dislike it to be honest. But once I saw the final product I was and am impressed. Absolutely love this series and I hope it coninues on at this high quality for several years. Can't wait to see more of Splinter, the Kraang, Leatherhead, now the rat king as well, heck yeah. I hope we see more of metalhead at some point too. I'm just really excited and there's a lot to look forward to.

[Vivi]

I think it's the other way 'round - the shows are being cancelled because not enough lil kids are watching it. The ones that do will probably continue to do so up until the cancellations.

[tmntpower1988]

As people have already mentioned it's because TMNT 2012 is just awesome. It's the only reason I started watching TV again.

[Yorae]

I think that with the cancellation of these shows kids have fewer options, and that helps boost the viewing for TMNT, but we cannot assume this is the sole or main reason for the cartoon thriving.

As many said before, it is a good show. Well thought out, well paced, well written, well designed and well animated. The character models grab the eye and are certainly appealing to kids.

[NinjaPug]

You bring up a really good point CC. I will start by saying I'm not too worried about the future of TMNT due to Nick's 100% ownership and it's toyline. However, I am very concerned about the future of action adventure cartoons like this. It's been weird to see so many great shows from popular franchises pulled after 1-2 seasons. The Avengers and SSM were pulled because of the Disney acquisition of Marvel. A new head of Marvel TV wanted his own version of Spider-Man and the Avengers. I'm worried that the new Avengers Assemble show will be done in the same crappy way as USM. The other shows just didn't have the ratings. Will a similar show in the same timeslot have the same bad performance in the future? Based on what the younger generation is watching now, probably. Especially if the channels they are on continue to make baffling scheduling moves (long hiatus, last second preemptions, timeslot changes to Sunday at midnight)

It's a sad day when you only get 1 season of Tron Uprising and Green Lantern but a crappy show like USM that has a childish cut scene every 60 seconds gets to live on. Now I'll never get to see Tron being repurposed into Rinzler or the introduction of the Black Lantern Corps.

[Bauer536]

I think Young Justice (even though I wasn't a fan of it) should have not been canceled. So what if the toys don't sell? If people like it, they like it. Don't keep crap on if nobody really cares for it. Yes, I am mad at the executives down at CN and their incompetence. I feel bad for you Young Justice fans. It deserves another chance. It's stupid they're doing this.

As for Green Lantern - yeah, I saw it coming. I felt it should have been canceled. Not only did it not have a toy line, but its show got bizarre at some point, and just boring. That's why there's going to be another Batman show, so it won't bore kids. I don't know, but the new Batman show doesn't look that strong to last. Honestly, Cartoon Network better make a separate network like Boomerang and call it "DC Nation" so all kinds of DC toons will exist instead of two. Disney should start doing that with Marvel. Make a separate channel based off of Marvel superheroes. That could work.

Now about TMNT. I think it's doing just fine, not just because it's doing well, but because kids are watching it (especially the ones who watch Spongebob first). Plus, it seems the toys are selling. If it's not Avengers or Star Wars right now, it's the turtles. Also, it's got heavy advertising, and it looks like it's getting a lot of attention.

Just to add - to anyone who want this show to go for several years, I hope that means at just four or five seasons. I mean, Nick already has a contract that ends at 2015, which means it could last at three seasons, unless the contract is renewed. I think it should be at four seasons. Here's why - We could get over 100 episodes if possible, but four because their are four turtles in the team. I mean, three seasons won't mean one is excluded, but I just think it would go with the franchise.

And to Cybercubed: I know you want it to go over 200 episodes. That's your wish. But let's be realistic. I don't think it will go that high. Plus, the minimal the series, the better the cartoon is. If it goes on for too long, God only knows we'll be getting something as bad as Fast Forward or Back to the Sewers. So three or four seasons may keep the show at a high note. Just saying.

Plus, where does it say Tron: Uprising is canceling. I've heard nothing about that. Besides, that's on Disney XD.

[Zulithe]

Thankfully since nick owns TMNT and it isn't licensed we can look at Nick's other shows to see trends and determine how and when they are likely to shut the show down... and all signs point to it having a very long life. After all the money they spent to acquire it they are working really hard to make sure it is a success.

I do think other shows folding is to TMNT's betterment though. Those viewers are going to want something to look forward to and TMNT can easily fill the superhero void for a lot of young fans. But is it doing so well as a direct result of this? No, I feel it is merely an added benefit and not a deciding factor at all.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

People here are saying that the reason TMNT isn't canceled is because it's 'good'. They clearly are forgetting that TV shows get canceled because their toy sales run dry. Nick TMNT is a pretty new show and kids are running out to their local Target or Toys 'R' Us to buy their favorite turtle.

In fact, most of the cartoons on Cybie's list were very good. Better than 95% of the junk on TV today. Superhero cartoons have been doing pretty darn well as of late.

Let's take a look at why cartoons have been canceled.

1. Young Justice = canceled
2. Green Lantern = canceled

I'm not sure why these shows are being canceled, but it's probably because toy sales were running low and besides, Cartoon Network treats its shows like horse poop.

Spectacular Spider-Man

Spectacular Spider-Man had lots of trouble. It originally aired on CW4Kids, and after a year of never-ending reruns it was moved to another obscure station, Disney XD. Also, Marvel bought Disney around here. Sony (owner of Spider-Man) and Disney are direct competitors, though I'm not sure if that affected anything. Not to mention, SS was in part canceled because a NEW Spidey cartoon , Ultimate Spider-Man, was being made. If anyone's seem an ep, you know it's terrible.

4. Wolverine and the X-men = canceled

The show was expensive to make (those character designs were GOOD) and the action was too little. Didn't make much of a profit.

5. Avengers = canceled

Actually, it was only canceled so that a new Avengers show could be made - Avengers Assemble. It's target group will be dumb little children. And it will be a copy of last May's blockbuster film.

6. Thundercats = canceled

No idea. I've never seen this show, though I've heard it's good.

[ToTheNines]

It's because the show has something everyone age 2 to 32.

It's vivid, colorful, has whacky characters, lots of jokes, plus action, more action, continuity, running mysteries, and heartfelt moments.

Also, the stand-alone nature of each episode makes it highly accessible. I love Young Justice to death, but even me at 21 and after watching every episode multiple times, I still would get a little lost on certain things (mainly because of the long and frequent hiatuses CN would put it on), so kids probably didn't bother with it. Especially not after the bastards never reran the show.

[Zulithe]

I really just feel like marvel and dc cartoon shows are really tired, they keep rebooting the shows with replacements and i'm tired of it. I don't even watch them anymore. I wish they would give some of these franchises a break and stop running them into the ground. DC and Marvel should create something new for a change.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Bauer536

Plus, where does it say Tron: Uprising is canceling. I've heard nothing about that. Besides, that's on Disney XD.

Tron: Uprising isn't cancelled, per se, but it hasn't been renewed. And it spent the second half of its season airing Sunday night at midnight. On the Disney channel, that's pretty much a middle finger. Disney, apparently had a commitment to run 19 eps, but I think they gave up on it a long time ago.

It was the only other show I followed week to week...

[BabyTurtles]

the fans for young justice and gltas are going ballistic XD

they are getting lots of support even from other fandoms

I don't know if young justice and gltas are going down (at east not without a fight)