Mikey & Raph - Stronger brotherhood bond than with the others?

[Shark_Blade]

In the Pulverizer episode, the part where Mikey helped out Raph is a very interesting one for me. When Raph was poisoned, Mikey came to his aid immediately, not caring about the bloody battle between Leo and Fishface. It was Mikey's sole priority that Raph was taken care of.



Back in New Girl In Town, it was Mikey who was knocked unconscious instead. Similarly, Raph didn't care about the dangerous battle between Don and Snakeweed; he was mainly focused only on Mikey.




Both Mikey and Raph were absolutely restless when the other went down. I reckon they were a bit selfish for not caring much about Leo/Don during those perilous time, but maybe they have more confidence in them on fending off the enemy? That's debatable.

Arguably, the bonds they have together is much stronger than compared with their other brothers; Leo and Don. I do appreciate that bond, though I do wonder how/why it happened. Does their flaws (one being hot tempered and the other ADHD) complimented each other? Why did Mikey and Raph care more of each other, more so than the others? Or am I just look to much into this?

Thoughts?

And no, this is not turtle-cest I'm talking about, let's get real here.

[Yorae]

Hmm.. Maybe they are bonding over the fact that they are the shortest two

Or maybe because they are the youngest? (I know Mikey is the youngest, but is Raph the second youngest?)
When we were growing up, my two youngest siblings were pretty much inseperable. They would bicker all the time but they got each others' back as well.

[Shredded]

I think it's weird people keep pointing to. "That is the oldest turtle and that is the youngest."

the staple mark tends to be that Leo is the oldest and Mikey is the youngest.

But erh... when did any medium ever say that? All of the turtles are exactly the same age! they got mutated the same day and have birtday the same day. They all had "Fifteen mutations-day." at the very first episode of this show. They are equally old!

And you know, some people in real life whom is twenty tends to act like fifteen years old, while other twenty year olds have the maturity of a thirty year old, that's just people, we are all different like that.

And well, there is a hiraki among the turtles regardless, which you know.. is what happens among people whom work together.

Clearly Leo stands on top, because he is the leader.
Second stands Raphael, as being sort of an alfa-male and freely oposes the leader on a regular basis.
Then stands Donatello whom mostly just minds his own buisness.
And last stands Mikey, whom every-body sees at "the irresponsible one." whom needs to be taken care of.

But well.. Raphael is a very protective person, and I think the one person there is to be protective of, would be Mikey.

Also I think they communicate a little better, because Leo and Donnie are clearly big "thinkers." always trying to be all logical about stuff, while Raph and Mikey are more "Tumblers." whom likes to tumble around and be physical without thinking to much.

Mikey knows what person he can easiest annoy, and get into a big tumble with, he clearly enjoys annoying Raph. So yeah, they have a pretty cute bond.

[Luigiperps]

Originally Posted by Yorae

Hmm.. Maybe they are bonding over the fact that they are the shortest two

Or maybe because they are the youngest? (I know Mikey is the youngest, but is Raph the second youngest?)

Leo is oldest, then Raph, then Donnie, then Mikey. By seconds, like real turtles.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

In the Pulverizer episode, the part where Mikey helped out Raph is a very interesting one for me. When Raph was poisoned, Mikey came to his aid immediately, not caring about the bloody battle between Leo and Fishface. It was Mikey's sole priority that Raph was taken care of...

Arguably, the bonds they have together is much stronger than compared with their other brothers; Leo and Don. I do appreciate that bond, though I do wonder how/why it happened. Does their flaws (one being hot tempered and the other ADHD) complimented each other? Why did Mikey and Raph care more of each other, more so than the others? Or am I just look to much into this?

Thoughts?

Without fitting the logic into the universe of the show, I'll offer the real world explanation:

In the original comics, before Casey showed up, Mike and Raph were best buds. It was after Casey dropped into the picture that their bond was sort of forgotten about, as Raph had a kindred spirit in crazy ol' Case-man.

It's one aspect of the Turtles that I've always enjyed, and now enjoy seeing it coming back in a medium that more people can see.

[Megatron]

Just cause they were mutated at the same time, doesnt mean they were the same age. They were just 4 turtles from a pet shop so the age gap comes from there, Must be a few months or weeks apart i guess.

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by Megatron

Just cause they were mutated at the same time, doesnt mean they were the same age. They were just 4 turtles from a pet shop so the age gap comes from there, Must be a few months or weeks apart i guess.

Because a few months or weeks makes such a difference in peoples maturity that it would matter..

Mikey just acts the way he does because he is the person that he is, same goes for Leo.
And that's fine, that's cool. Their age really doesn't matter.

And I still can't remember any official thing with the turtles calling out whom is the oldest or the youngest, if I am wrong please correct me.

If there is any tely episode, movie or comic strip where some-one out-right says. "He's the oldest." then I retreat my statement. And I was wrong.
But I don't recall any such thing and.. it doesn't really matter. They were mutated the same day, they developed together.. and well mostly.. wauw poor Splinter, all alone with four toddler turtles the same age :/

[BabyTurtles]

They are all the same age Leo just acts the oldest and Mikey just acts the youngest :3

and about Raph and Mikey....IDK....

Raph is just protective in general, but since Mikey is the "youngest" he's a little more protective of him.

and Mikey.....I think he gets serious when any of his brothers are in danger or hurt, remember when Donnie was kicked in the face and knocked out by Bradford you can see Mikey was not happy about it and tried to attack Bradford with his kusarigama the SHARP part!!
XD I never saw Mikey use the sharp part on a human! lol. Mikey might be a goofball but he is totally there when they need him.

I think they all get a little worried about Mikey, but since Raph is the more passionate turtle it shows more I guess :3

[Zulithe]

i'm really hesitant to say any two brothers bond the most, but I see your argument and I don't really disagree.

However I would propose that leo and donnie probably have the closest bond even if it has not been demonstrated on screen very well yet. They are the two most level headed and never seem to argue or make fun of one-another very often. I think they have an understanding and are probably pretty close as a result.

Each brother bonds with the other brothers differently, I love how their relationships are all a little different.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

In the Pulverizer episode, the part where Mikey helped out Raph is a very interesting one for me. When Raph was poisoned, Mikey came to his aid immediately, not caring about the bloody battle between Leo and Fishface. It was Mikey's sole priority that Raph was taken care of.



Back in New Girl In Town, it was Mikey who was knocked unconscious instead. Similarly, Raph didn't care about the dangerous battle between Don and Snakeweed; he was mainly focused only on Mikey.




Both Mikey and Raph were absolutely restless when the other went down. I reckon they were a bit selfish for not caring much about Leo/Don during those perilous time, but maybe they have more confidence in them on fending off the enemy? That's debatable.

Arguably, the bonds they have together is much stronger than compared with their other brothers; Leo and Don. I do appreciate that bond, though I do wonder how/why it happened. Does their flaws (one being hot tempered and the other ADHD) complimented each other? Why did Mikey and Raph care more of each other, more so than the others? Or am I just look to much into this?

Thoughts?

And no, this is not turtle-cest I'm talking about, let's get real here.

In those particular cases, the turtle given the attention was down for the count, helpless. Kinda makes sense.

[Donatello19]

I always thought Donnie and Mikey were the closest (not in the nick show, just in general) but I like Mike and Raph's relationship. Don't forget about Raph's pep talk to Mikey at the end of "New Friend, Old Enemy".

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

I always thought Donnie and Mikey were the closest (not in the nick show, just in general) but I like Mike and Raph's relationship. Don't forget about Raph's pep talk to Mikey at the end of "New Friend, Old Enemy".

I think out of all the Turtles Donnie can tolerate Mikey the most XD

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I think out of all the Turtles Donnie can tolerate Mikey the most XD

... well I have to disagree.

Depends on what version we are talking about, but it seems to me that in this new show, Donnie is the one to tolerate Mikey the least.. becoming genuinly very very annoyed when Mikey upsets him.

Then yeah, in the 2k3 show, I would be willing to say Donnie tolerated Mikey the most.
But then again, 2k3 Donnie seemed to be a pacifist by nature and unbelivable patient regarding... urh.. every-thing. He was just a ridicoulesly patient and understanding, kind hearted person in that show.
A trait new Donnie doesn't seem to share with him, he is not nearly as patient, but I don't really blame him or any-thing, every single time he has gotten annoyed in this show, it did seem very legit, and mostly the other turtles should just be quiet and let him safe the day with his tech X)

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Shredded

... well I have to disagree.

Depends on what version we are talking about, but it seems to me that in this new show, Donnie is the one to tolerate Mikey the least.. becoming genuinly very very annoyed when Mikey upsets him.

Then yeah, in the 2k3 show, I would be willing to say Donnie tolerated Mikey the most.
But then again, 2k3 Donnie seemed to be a pacifist by nature and unbelivable patient regarding... urh.. every-thing. He was just a ridicoulesly patient and understanding, kind hearted person in that show.
A trait new Donnie doesn't seem to share with him, he is not nearly as patient, but I don't really blame him or any-thing, every single time he has gotten annoyed in this show, it did seem very legit, and mostly the other turtles should just be quiet and let him safe the day with his tech X)

hmm really? never thought of it like that...I guess your kinda right, though to me, Donnie always seems to try and correct Mikey while the others either glare or smack him lol XD I guess I just assumed the one to smack Mikey the least is the one that tolerates him the most it also seems Mikey can get away with yelling at Donnie (Mikey even hit him that one in Turtle temper) lol

[ironman29758]

It's the little moments that shows that Raph really cares about Mikey like in "Pulverizer" when Mikey picked up the gum off the floor and Raph slapped it out his hands or Raph telling Mike he's a good guy which is like Venom said, feels reminiscent of the early TMNT Comics.

While Donnie and Mikey feel in a way like best friends where Donnie is the geeky best friend and Mikey spaces out and just jokes around about him a lot.(like when Donnie was trying to explain DNA to Mikey).

[tlg80]

I noticed the closeness between the two when one was hurt. Raph and Mikey may poke fun at each other, but when it comes down to it, are there for each other. All of them are there, just in different ways. But this crossed my mind as well. I also like how Leo and Raph interact in this series. And I love it when Donnie starts to explain something and the others are like .

[Slade]

Originally Posted by Venom

Without fitting the logic into the universe of the show, I'll offer the real world explanation:

In the original comics, before Casey showed up, Mike and Raph were best buds. It was after Casey dropped into the picture that their bond was sort of forgotten about, as Raph had a kindred spirit in crazy ol' Case-man.

It's one aspect of the Turtles that I've always enjyed, and now enjoy seeing it coming back in a medium that more people can see.

I was pretty much going to say something along these lines.

[Shark_Blade]

I like how you mentioned about the original comic because I have recently read them. Though Mike and Raph we're seen spending time with each other (sparring), Raph's temper got the best of him; he even tried to kill Mikey but later came to his senses. Lol I know, that's messed up right? Those were the early days..


I stumbled upon this.



Don't know which OT episode was this, but they seem pretty close even back then.

[ironman29758]

Yeah ever since the first tmnt movie I'm used to Donnie and Mikey being best friends and that basiacally became the norm for me but then I found the original Mirage comics, learned about Mikey and Ralph's relationship and was like . But looking back it makes a lot of sense(just like Raph being the only one who asked April for beer. Surprising April actually got it for him though since he's technically underage but he's a ninja turtle so I guess it's okay to bend the rules for him).

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I like how you mentioned about the original comic because I have recently read them. Though Mike and Raph we're seen spending time with each other (sparring), Raph's temper got the best of him; he even tried to kill Mikey but later came to his senses. Lol I know, that's messed up right? Those were the early days..


I stumbled upon this.



Don't know which OT episode was this, but they seem pretty close even back then.

what happened there XD????