Karai in the Nicktoon TMNT: why not Pimiko?

*Andrew NDB* · 03-25-2013, 10:13 PM

Shredder's only had one true daughter in any universe, and that's not Karai (who was actually Shredder's boss and a standalone strong female character, unrelated to him by blood or anything else)... it's Pimiko.

*Powder* · 03-25-2013, 10:25 PM

1. So few people outside of the die-hard fans know about Vol. 3 let alone its exclusive characters.

2. They're doing something fans already 'know' about, given the connection the 2k3 series it has.

3. Look at her. This is a kids show.

I appreciate how little acknowledgement the comics usually get in the public eye and everything, but this show is being done for kids of a new generation, and the few pulls from past material we're gonna get will be the usual ones. Outside of that, it's really only fair to expect small nods to the more well known media of the past, i.e. the 87 cartoon.

*CyberCubed* · 03-25-2013, 10:27 PM

This is a very thinly-veiled bait-thread about getting Nick fans on the forums here to recognize the comics and consider them the source material. Oh Andrew.

Pimiko is obscure because she wasn't even in the regular Mirage run, but the Image one. Had Pimiko debuted in Mirage, we probably would have seen her used in at least the 4kids series.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-25-2013, 10:41 PM

cause...the name Karai sounds cooler??

and I think more people know Karai....
(I didn't know about Pimiko)

LH · 03-25-2013, 10:46 PM

I think it's simply because...

Spoiler:

*BabyTurtles* · 03-25-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Leatherhead (2012)

I think it's simply because...

Spoiler:

^ yea that makes sense XD

*Shark_Blade* · 03-25-2013, 11:21 PM

At least I could relate with 2K3 Karai.. I don't even know who Pimiko is.

*Ninjinister* · 03-25-2013, 11:40 PM

Pimiko would have to be more heavily adapted for this show than Bebop and Rocksteady would have had to fit into Mirage.

*Kendamu* · 03-26-2013, 12:03 AM

*Andrew NDB* · 03-26-2013, 01:18 AM

The target audience is 10 year olds. It is irrelevant what and who in the dwindling pocket TMNT fandom remembers is what... they might as well choose the best fit from the existing source material for the part.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-26-2013, 02:00 AM

It's the 4Kids shows fault. Karai will never recover from the Shredder's daughter role, ever.

And I hate it. I really wish they went with Pimiko, as of now. Miwa might be Karai renamed by Shredder, which will reduce the potential for a new female character in the show heavily.

I don't think retooling Pimiko would be that bad, compared to tweaking R&B. She is heavily obscured and other characters have been greatly tweaked already

*BabyTurtles* · 03-26-2013, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The target audience is 10 year olds. It is irrelevant what and who in the dwindling pocket TMNT fandom remembers is what... they might as well choose the best fit from the existing source material for the part.

well....it's just a name really...... they are both ninjas....and shedder's daughters...(kinda) (I don't really know Pimiko but they sound the same)

XD.....so I guess Karai made more sense cause more people knew her....and even if younger kids don't....why not appeal to some of the older fans for the heck of it

??

and again I say....Karai's name is prettier to me XD

Atren · 03-26-2013, 03:11 AM

I was thinking what if Karai, Miwa and Pimiko were all different characters loyal to Shredder. Splinter has turtles and Shredder has daughters

To make it fairer Shredder might somehow brainwash April to make it 4 vs 4

Avatar Yuffie · 03-26-2013, 03:34 AM

Blame 4Kids. I'd rather have Lotus Blossom and Karai be a non-entity altogether because Lotus started the female ninja Leo had hots on schtick first.

Konchadunga · 03-26-2013, 11:05 AM

Pimiko sounds like what Shredder would name his poodle.

*Chris* · 03-27-2013, 03:04 PM

Pimiko is one of the characters I really like from the Image run. I loved the idea of Shredder's daughter and the continued cycle of violence between the 2 families.

There's still a very slim chance she could make the cut in later seasons once the Turtles have killed Shredder, it's not like she was there from the start in the Mirage universe either.

As for Karai, if she betrays Shredder/makes peace with the Turtles (as has always been her role in one form or another and her good side has already been toyed with in Nick) then Pimiko could come after her too.

Of course I don't expect them to go that route, and if they did then she'd definitely be needing a more child friendly re-design.

*plastroncafe* · 03-27-2013, 03:11 PM

Who's to say they won't?
They could very well introduce her down the line.

Though...I hope they give her some pants.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-27-2013, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Who's to say they won't?
They could very well introduce her down the line.

Though...I hope they give her some pants.

I was thinking that too XD what is she wearing?
don't know her...but she seems pretty kick butt

is she a good fighter?

*Chris* · 03-27-2013, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I was thinking that too XD what is she wearing?
don't know her...but she seems pretty kick butt

is she a good fighter?

What's she wearing? Honest answer - not much

And yeah, she's a pretty awesome fighter. Not Shredder's level IMO but able to hold her own against the guys.

*Powder* · 03-27-2013, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I was thinking that too XD what is she wearing?
don't know her...but she seems pretty kick butt

is she a good fighter?

Yeah, definitely. She poses quite a threat to the turtles in the Image (vol. 3) comic books. Wields a sword & kicks serious butt.

03-25-2013, 10:13 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,537	Karai in the Nicktoon TMNT: why not Pimiko? Shredder's only had one true daughter in any universe, and that's not Karai (who was actually Shredder's boss and a standalone strong female character, unrelated to him by blood or anything else)... it's Pimiko. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-25-2013, 10:41 PM	#4
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	cause...the name Karai sounds cooler?? and I think more people know Karai.... (I didn't know about Pimiko) __________________

03-25-2013, 10:46 PM	#5
LH Leatherhead Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,705	I think it's simply because... Spoiler: Karai is not his true daughter. She's Miwa, Splinter's lost daughter. This seems to be a plausable theory given the information we have.

03-25-2013, 11:40 PM	#8
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Pimiko would have to be more heavily adapted for this show than Bebop and Rocksteady would have had to fit into Mirage. __________________

03-26-2013, 01:18 AM	#10
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,537	The target audience is 10 year olds. It is irrelevant what and who in the dwindling pocket TMNT fandom remembers is what... they might as well choose the best fit from the existing source material for the part. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-25-2013, 10:25 PM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,954	1. So few people outside of the die-hard fans know about Vol. 3 let alone its exclusive characters. 2. They're doing something fans already 'know' about, given the connection the 2k3 series it has. 3. Look at her. This is a kids show. I appreciate how little acknowledgement the comics usually get in the public eye and everything, but this show is being done for kids of a new generation, and the few pulls from past material we're gonna get will be the usual ones. Outside of that, it's really only fair to expect small nods to the more well known media of the past, i.e. the 87 cartoon.

03-25-2013, 10:27 PM	#3
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	This is a very thinly-veiled bait-thread about getting Nick fans on the forums here to recognize the comics and consider them the source material. Oh Andrew. Pimiko is obscure because she wasn't even in the regular Mirage run, but the Image one. Had Pimiko debuted in Mirage, we probably would have seen her used in at least the 4kids series.

03-25-2013, 11:21 PM	#7
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	At least I could relate with 2K3 Karai.. I don't even know who Pimiko is.

03-26-2013, 12:03 AM	#9
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890

03-26-2013, 02:00 AM	#11
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	It's the 4Kids shows fault. Karai will never recover from the Shredder's daughter role, ever. And I hate it. I really wish they went with Pimiko, as of now. Miwa might be Karai renamed by Shredder, which will reduce the potential for a new female character in the show heavily. I don't think retooling Pimiko would be that bad, compared to tweaking R&B. She is heavily obscured and other characters have been greatly tweaked already __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

03-26-2013, 03:11 AM	#13
Atren Random Punk Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Europe Posts: 39	I was thinking what if Karai, Miwa and Pimiko were all different characters loyal to Shredder. Splinter has turtles and Shredder has daughters To make it fairer Shredder might somehow brainwash April to make it 4 vs 4

03-26-2013, 03:34 AM	#14
Avatar Yuffie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 805	Blame 4Kids. I'd rather have Lotus Blossom and Karai be a non-entity altogether because Lotus started the female ninja Leo had hots on schtick first. __________________ We all know that Most Writers Are Male. Something like eighty percent of media aimed at children have male main characters, whereas half the population is female. At best, women will often be minor characters or will not be present at all. Stories about women are for women, stories about men are for general consumption. (TV Tropes Feminist Fantasy) Last edited by Avatar Yuffie; 03-26-2013 at 03:57 AM.

03-26-2013, 11:05 AM	#15
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	Pimiko sounds like what Shredder would name his poodle. __________________

03-27-2013, 03:04 PM	#16
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Pimiko is one of the characters I really like from the Image run. I loved the idea of Shredder's daughter and the continued cycle of violence between the 2 families. There's still a very slim chance she could make the cut in later seasons once the Turtles have killed Shredder, it's not like she was there from the start in the Mirage universe either. As for Karai, if she betrays Shredder/makes peace with the Turtles (as has always been her role in one form or another and her good side has already been toyed with in Nick) then Pimiko could come after her too. Of course I don't expect them to go that route, and if they did then she'd definitely be needing a more child friendly re-design.