Should Shredder have returned in the 2007 movie.

gzilla46 · 03-23-2013, 01:26 PM

I liked the movie "TMNT" from 2007, but I was wondering one thing: Should Shredder have returned in that film? He only appeared as a picture. I think it would've been better had they had Shredder be a secondary villain who teamed up with The Generals, sort of like Megatron in 2 out of the 3 Transformers films.

Maybe after Raph didn't finish off Leo in that rooftop battle, Shredder could show up, fight Leo, and defeat him. Then they find out that he is working with the Generals. Then, in the final battle, Shredder could betray the Generals and take charge of unleashing the monsters through the portal.

I still am working on it, but how do you like that so far?

*Kunoichi_Haruko* · 03-23-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gzilla46

I liked the movie "TMNT" from 2007, but I was wondering one thing: Should Shredder have returned in that film. He only appeared as a picture. I think it would've been better had they had Shredder be a secondary villain who teamed up with The Generals, sort of like Megatron in 2 out of the 3 Transformers films.

Maybe after Raph didn't finish off Leo in that rooftop battle, Shredder could show up, fight Leo, and defeat him. Then they find out that he is working with the Generals.

No. The 2007 movie, as I was made to believe, was following the timeline of the first three films (roughly). Shredder's dead and gone by then, and it would've been pointless to bring him back. Karai and the Foot, on the other hand, could have taken more of a lead as the big villains, instead of being merely mercenaries and hired guns for Winters. Squandered opportunity, there.

Shredder has become the default villain for so long, and relying on him to be the main antagonist in every incarnation and film doesn't leave much room for creating other compelling villains.

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I still am working on it, but how do you like that so far?

Are you...working on a fanfic/fan script to address this issue?

gzilla46 · 03-23-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kunoichi_Haruko

Are you...working on a fanfic/fan script to address this issue?

No. I just thought of the idea, but I didn't get that far.

*Powder* · 03-23-2013, 01:44 PM

I agree with Kunoichi. That cast was cramped to hell & back as it was.

*CyberCubed* · 03-24-2013, 11:02 PM

Only if the the whole plot of the movie was different, and dealt with Karai trying to resurrect him.

STORMSHADOW__210 · 03-24-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kunoichi_Haruko

No. The 2007 movie, as I was made to believe, was following the timeline of the first three films (roughly). Shredder's dead and gone by then, and it would've been pointless to bring him back. Karai and the Foot, on the other hand, could have taken more of a lead as the big villains, instead of being merely mercenaries and hired guns for Winters. Squandered opportunity, there.

Shredder has become the default villain for so long, and relying on him to be the main antagonist in every incarnation and film doesn't leave much room for creating other compelling villains.

Are you...working on a fanfic/fan script to address this issue?

Agreed, as cool as a cgi 2007 shredder would of been, my favorite thing about that movie is that its part of the trilogy time line.Still too bad they never made that sequel with the hinted return of the shredder.

*Slade* · 03-25-2013, 07:19 AM

For what it's worth, I like the movie. Should Shredder have been in it? Yeah, but only if the plot would have been entirely different and not supposed to be apart of the trilogy.

ryukenden · 03-25-2013, 08:56 AM

The movie might have been more successful if Shredder was in it but it had to follow the timeline of the movies.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-25-2013, 03:21 PM

There was a ton that was dead wrong with TMNT Part 4... but a lack of Shredder wasn't one of the factors.

Konchadunga · 03-28-2013, 03:06 AM

Having him in it probably would have made it sell more tickets, but objectively, no. Shredder's dead--though he died in a pretty stupid way--and I would prefer to finally have at least one adaptation of this series that doesn't promote him to arch nemesis. Surely if the Batman movies can get away with different villains every film, this series could do it. That said, I wasn't a fan of the actual villain in that movie, the franchise has better.

Cryomancer · 03-30-2013, 12:01 AM

Probably half the reason I like the movie is because it dared to actually do something the hell other the "Shredder has returned, again, again". Especially since it was during the 2003 series which had serious-ass Shredder returning problems.

*Kendamu* · 03-30-2013, 12:33 AM

Maybe if Karai was catching monsters... or whatever... to do some... thing that would resurrect Shredder and he almost comes back but the process is reversed at the last second. That wouldn't have been any better or worse than what we got.

Toby Barrett · 03-30-2013, 04:28 PM

I still don't believe the movie is an actual sequel to the original trilogy, it just doesn't really work..

*CyberCubed* · 03-30-2013, 04:34 PM

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I still don't believe the movie is an actual sequel to the original trilogy, it just doesn't really work..

It still acknowledged that Shredder was dead so either way he'd have to come back to life.

*shuriken* · 03-30-2013, 04:43 PM

Nope. Shredder was better off not being a part of it anyway.

*ObiWanFan4life* · 03-30-2013, 04:53 PM

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Nope. Shredder was better off not being a part of it anyway.

What makes u say that. I'm not arguing im just curious.

Nameless · 03-31-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

I still don't believe the movie is an actual sequel to the original trilogy, it just doesn't really work..

Except for the fact that it has a scene that is pretty much a tribute to the other 3 movies?

And no Shredder had no place in the TMNT 4 movie. This is coming from a guy who favorite Turtle character is Shredder. I even went to my last Expo in a duct tape Shredder costume. The movie had more then enough going on then to Cram more into it.

Testudo · 04-01-2013, 12:55 PM

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Except for the fact that it has a scene that is pretty much a tribute to the other 3 movies?

The movie has many tributes to the comics as well (and is the most faithful to them), but it doesn't make it part of the comics timeline either.

I agree with those who don't consider it to be part of the movie trilogy. It's a standalone movie that can (but doesn't necessarily have to) work with other timelines, and that's part of what makes it great.

*snake* · 04-01-2013, 01:09 PM

There was clearly ment to be a sequel ( they even released a shredder figure a year later under the films package!) but it never happend, but having karai was a nice change though.

*Powder* · 04-01-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Testudo

The movie has many tributes to the comics as well (and is the most faithful to them), but it doesn't make it part of the comics timeline either.

Where can I purchase the dope you are smoking?

03-23-2013, 01:26 PM	#1
gzilla46 Thug Join Date: May 2012 Location: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Posts: 91	Should Shredder have returned in the 2007 movie. I liked the movie "TMNT" from 2007, but I was wondering one thing: Should Shredder have returned in that film? He only appeared as a picture. I think it would've been better had they had Shredder be a secondary villain who teamed up with The Generals, sort of like Megatron in 2 out of the 3 Transformers films. Maybe after Raph didn't finish off Leo in that rooftop battle, Shredder could show up, fight Leo, and defeat him. Then they find out that he is working with the Generals. Then, in the final battle, Shredder could betray the Generals and take charge of unleashing the monsters through the portal. I still am working on it, but how do you like that so far? Last edited by gzilla46; 03-23-2013 at 01:35 PM.

03-25-2013, 07:19 AM	#7
Slade god status Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,291	For what it's worth, I like the movie. Should Shredder have been in it? Yeah, but only if the plot would have been entirely different and not supposed to be apart of the trilogy. __________________ Do not concern yourself with what I've already done: rather tremble at the thought of what I am about to do. Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=48140 Last edited by Slade; 03-25-2013 at 10:14 PM.

03-25-2013, 03:21 PM	#9
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,404	There was a ton that was dead wrong with TMNT Part 4... but a lack of Shredder wasn't one of the factors. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-28-2013, 03:06 AM	#10
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	Having him in it probably would have made it sell more tickets, but objectively, no. Shredder's dead--though he died in a pretty stupid way--and I would prefer to finally have at least one adaptation of this series that doesn't promote him to arch nemesis. Surely if the Batman movies can get away with different villains every film, this series could do it. That said, I wasn't a fan of the actual villain in that movie, the franchise has better. __________________

03-30-2013, 12:01 AM	#11
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	Probably half the reason I like the movie is because it dared to actually do something the hell other the "Shredder has returned, again, again". Especially since it was during the 2003 series which had serious-ass Shredder returning problems. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

03-23-2013, 01:44 PM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I agree with Kunoichi. That cast was cramped to hell & back as it was.

03-24-2013, 11:02 PM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,798	Only if the the whole plot of the movie was different, and dealt with Karai trying to resurrect him.

03-25-2013, 08:56 AM	#8
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	The movie might have been more successful if Shredder was in it but it had to follow the timeline of the movies.

03-30-2013, 12:33 AM	#12
Kendamu Sewerhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,890	Maybe if Karai was catching monsters... or whatever... to do some... thing that would resurrect Shredder and he almost comes back but the process is reversed at the last second. That wouldn't have been any better or worse than what we got.

03-30-2013, 04:28 PM	#13
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	I still don't believe the movie is an actual sequel to the original trilogy, it just doesn't really work..

03-30-2013, 04:43 PM	#15
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	Nope. Shredder was better off not being a part of it anyway. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

04-01-2013, 01:09 PM	#19
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	There was clearly ment to be a sequel ( they even released a shredder figure a year later under the films package!) but it never happend, but having karai was a nice change though.