To Anyone Who Likes Venus: Why?

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by AnarkyLantern

I don't like NM much- it's the live action movies blended with power rangers, more or less. The "we're not biologically related" I blame for turtlecest- I love slash but not cest.

I picture Venus as a gen 2 turtle- maybe the daughter of Raph and Mona Lisa, which is why she's named after art.

But
WHY?

[AnarkyLantern]

Originally Posted by Turtles2k12

But
WHY?

Slash or Venus? I think, like everything about tnm, the execution was poor- overblown "men are from mars, women are from Venus" patter. And I get why she shouldn't be in the present canon. Total next gen, if that. The TMNT are named after renaissance artists- a naming scheme that Venus lacks but it makes more sense if she was Mona Lisa's daughter.

[Candy Kappa]

Not really, an artwork is also named Mona Lisa.

If there ever gonna be a female mutant turtle in TMNT franchise ever again, she should have a name after an Renaissance artist. Like Artemisia.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Not really, an artwork is also named Mona Lisa.

That's why it would make sense though.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Still like i said, Venus De Milo is a lame wannabe who has NO place in turtles lore.

[Shreddhead]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Not really, an artwork is also named Mona Lisa.

If there ever gonna be a female mutant turtle in TMNT franchise ever again, she should have a name after an Renaissance artist. Like Artemisia.

Ahh Leo, Mike, Don, Raph, and Art.... just rolls right off the tongue.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Seriously, why do people defend Venus? Sure the idea of a 5th female turtle is interesting but it disrupts the established continuity of there being 4 turtles. Maybe if she was from another dimension and a recurring character, but she just doesn't work as a permanent member of the team.

[Candy Kappa]

after a while status quo is gonna be changed, especially in a world where characters do grow. after a while the "hiding in shadows way from humanity" will be redundant. Introducing a new character will make some new changes, like aliens making a public appearance and integration with the human population giving the turtles the ability to pose as aliens and walk top-side in the open.

Originally Posted by Shreddhead

Ahh Leo, Mike, Don, Raph, and Art.... just rolls right off the tongue.

http://mooncalfe.deviantart.com/art/...24484975&qo=21

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Shreddhead

Ahh Leo, Mike, Don, Raph, and Art.... just rolls right off the tongue.

how bout Leo, Mikey, Donnie, Raph, and Arty

[Luigiperps]

I don't want Venus in nick, even if done right, it ruins the point of turtles
To quote 2k7 Raph, "We live together, we train together, we fight together, we stand for good together. We are ninjas. We strike hard, defend and protect, and fade into the night. And there ain't no bad guy or monster that's gonna ever change that. That's what is important. And that's why we will always be brothers." That would not work if they were not raised together, which Venus would have been. Like in that what if thread with the turtles not growing up together, that's what Venus is.

[Konchadunga]

I would like some help with something. I read somewhere that when Laird bought the series all out, he posted on the website an official announcement that from then on they would disregard Venus's existence, but I haven't been able to find that with the Wayback machine. Does anyone have it?

[AnarkyLantern]

Originally Posted by Luigiperps

I don't want Venus in nick, even if done right, it ruins the point of turtles
To quote 2k7 Raph, "We live together, we train together, we fight together, we stand for good together. We are ninjas. We strike hard, defend and protect, and fade into the night. And there ain't no bad guy or monster that's gonna ever change that. That's what is important. And that's why we will always be brothers." That would not work if they were not raised together, which Venus would have been. Like in that what if thread with the turtles not growing up together, that's what Venus is.

That's why I have her as a gen 2 concept.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by AnarkyLantern

That's why I have her as a gen 2 concept.

That makes the original 4 not special anymore

[ryukenden]

Originally Posted by Turtles2k12

That makes the original 4 not special anymore

That's exactly what Next Mutation became. In the words of the Rowdy Reviewer when it came to the final episode, it showed that they need her more than she needs them. Talk about a Shell Shock!

[AnarkyLantern]

Originally Posted by ryukenden

That's exactly what Next Mutation became. In the words of the Rowdy Reviewer when it came to the final episode, it showed that they need her more than she needs them. Talk about a Shell Shock!

I'm finally watching tnm's full run, mostly when I'm doing stuff in the kitchen... My impression is it's crap but I have seen plenty of cheesy comics characters updated well. I do think a literal 5th turtle in the original team is as much a distortion as the turtles being aliens- hence gen 2 in my mind, tnm never happened but in the years after the ot, Raph and Mona had Venus. In terms of her ability on tnm, the impression I get is she's less of a fighter and more of a mystic. The problem is, the main villain is mystic as well. So her abilities get amplified but given wht I've seen, and when this show was made, female warriors were more cerebral, gymnasts and such. It's only with things like Avatar and Kim Possible that you see it flipped with full-on female powerhouses.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by AnarkyLantern

I'm finally watching tnm's full run, mostly when I'm doing stuff in the kitchen... My impression is it's crap but I have seen plenty of cheesy comics characters updated well. I do think a literal 5th turtle in the original team is as much a distortion as the turtles being aliens- hence gen 2 in my mind, tnm never happened but in the years after the ot, Raph and Mona had Venus. In terms of her ability on tnm, the impression I get is she's less of a fighter and more of a mystic. The problem is, the main villain is mystic as well. So her abilities get amplified but given wht I've seen, and when this show was made, female warriors were more cerebral, gymnasts and such. It's only with things like Avatar and Kim Possible that you see it flipped with full-on female powerhouses.

It wouldn't matter if she was 1st or 2nd Generation, she would still have a poor reception

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Turtles2k12

It wouldn't matter if she was 1st or 2nd Generation, she would still have a poor reception

you don't know that, thats an opinion not fact, venus can be liked by anyone whether they are new or old fan

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by TheHeroTurtle

you don't know that, thats an opinion not fact, venus can be liked by anyone whether they are new or old fan

Actually i do, Venus De Milo is one of the most detested characters in all of TMNT fandom, and justifiably so. The very 1st time wee see Venus in the next mutation she manages to:
1. Casually beat up the ORIGINAL turtles by HERSELF and hang them by their feet
2. Undo the Turtle's brotherly dynamic in favor of making her a potential love interest (though this is undone by the 3rd Episode)
3. Defeat The Shredder AGAIN BY HERSELF WITHOUT THE AID OF THE TURTLES by using cheap jedi mind tricks(wtf) and tells him to fight the evil inside him (AGAIN wtf).
Even Peter Laird saw how bad she was and retconned her from the franchise. And WHO can blame him? if so why?

[ObiWanFan4life]

So there's that

[gobo]

If Venus was introduced in the original 'toon, she'd get less bashing. I still think she was the only tolerable character in that series. Saban's writers turned the guys into the three stooges + Shemp. Venus was just the poster-child of all that change happening at once.