Levels of power

[LivingMutagen]

This is a list of which characters are more powerful than the other, not including Metalhead, Rockwell,Ms Campbell Rat King and the Kraang as I don't know where to put them
Splinter=Shredder>Leatherhead>Traag>Turtles=Bradfo rd=Xever (including DP and FF)=Karai> Baxter(in suit)=Snakeweed=Spider-Bytez=Chong> Justin> Purple Dragons> April> Pete> Murakam= Pulverizer (they both hurt one of thePurple Dragons).

What say you?

[Shredded]

i'll have to say that Bradford and Xever are actually stronger than the turtles.

They did beat the snot out of the turtles upon initial introduction, Bradford actually handling ALL four of them quite alone. Then got even stronger upon mutation, and Donnie clearly stated to Mikey in the mouser episode. "The two of us can't take Dogpound alone."

And I am guessing Karai is stronger than Xever and Dogpound, she actually ranks above them, has just been holding back towards Leo.. and she did win rather easily over Raph in combat.

So well, to take a guess I would probably say.

Splinter = Shredder > Karai > Dogpound > Fishface > Leonardo > Raphael > Michelangelo > Donatello > Snakeweed > Spiderbytes > April (After the training.) > Purple dragons.

Rest aren't fighters, so it's not worth taking them with.

I know Raphael was shown to be physically stronger than Leo in the first episode, but since then I think it has been quite clear that Leo has grown quite a lot, and is better in technics than Raph, for one thing, he was the only one lasting more than two seconds against Splinter in a one-o-one battle.

[Slade]

Is this in strength or in skill?

[LivingMutagen]

Originally Posted by Shredded

i'll have to say that Bradford and Xever are actually stronger than the turtles.

They did beat the snot out of the turtles upon initial introduction, Bradford actually handling ALL four of them quite alone. Then got even stronger upon mutation, and Donnie clearly stated to Mikey in the mouser episode. "The two of us can't take Dogpound alone."

And I am guessing Karai is stronger than Xever and Dogpound, she actually ranks above them, has just been holding back towards Leo.. and she did win rather easily over Raph in combat.

So well, to take a guess I would probably say.

Splinter = Shredder > Karai > Dogpound > Fishface > Leonardo > Raphael > Michelangelo > Donatello > Snakeweed > Spiderbytes > April (After the training.) > Purple dragons.

Rest aren't fighters, so it's not worth taking them with.

I know Raphael was shown to be physically stronger than Leo in the first episode, but since then I think it has been quite clear that Leo has grown quite a lot, and is better in technics than Raph, for one thing, he was the only one lasting more than two seconds against Splinter in a one-o-one battle.

Actually, the turtles should be below Bradford and Xever. Leatherhead should be there as he is a fighter. Above the turtles, below Splinter. I think yours is more accurate.

[LivingMutagen]

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

Is this in strength or in skill?

Skills, as strength would be different, Splinter being strongest of them.

[Coola Yagami]

Dogpound is over 9000.

[Slade]

Okay then. Since we're talking skill. I'm gunna have to disagree here slightly with the Splinter=Shredder. I guess as far as a list goes you would have to list them equal right now, but we haven't seen enough of either of their skills to know if they truly are equal. Also I'd say the turtles have more skill than Leatherhead.

[LH]

Seems pretty accurate to me! Though I would place April in a higher position. Maybe before Justin?

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

Also I'd say the turtles have more skill than Leatherhead.

Well, he did defeat all of them in a rage..Twice.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by Leatherhead (2012)

Well, he did defeat all of them in a rage..Twice.

True, but that's raw power not skill. I figure Spider-Man has more skill than Hulk, but Hulk can still tear him in half.
I may need to watch the Leatherhead eps again though.

[LH]

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

True, but that's raw power not skill. I figure Spider-Man has more skill than Hulk, but Hulk can still tear him in half.
I may need to watch the Leatherhead eps again though.

While Leatherhead may rely on "raw power and brute strength" for his attacks, he does put thought into them. He was very quick to use Traag's weakness(his size) against him in battle. He knew to get Raph up against the wall to "death roll" him. Also, he was able to take advantage of the Turtle's physical attacks and use them to his advantage. His ability to build efficient traps demonstrates his strategic mind as well.

[BabyTurtles]

maybe we should base this on who would beat who, instead of skill.....cause skill is hard to measure in these types of things XD.....especially when you have a skilled ninja getting his butt kicked by a raging Alligator XD

[LivingMutagen]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

maybe we should base this on who would beat who, instead of skill.....cause skill is hard to measure in these types of things XD.....especially when you have a skilled ninja getting his butt kicked by a raging Alligator XD

Yeah this is better.

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by LivingMutagen

Actually, the turtles should be below Bradford and Xever. Leatherhead should be there as he is a fighter. Above the turtles, below Splinter. I think yours is more accurate.

Actually now that I think about it.. I wonder whether Snakeweed and Spiderbytes should be some-where above the turtles as well?

At no point in time has it been indicated that one turtle alone would be able to take either of them down. Even all four of them having only their weapons to their disposal, has been unable able to take these guys down.

Every-time the turtles took Snake-weed down, it has been through creative thinking and alternative means, exactly because they can't take him in hand to hand combat.

Personally I do think it's a cool factor about this show that the villains are so strong that they seem like a genuine threat, they genuinely ARE stronger than the turtles, and the turtles has to be smart, creative and quick to ever beat them. that's lovely, I really like that.

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

Okay then. Since we're talking skill. I'm gunna have to disagree here slightly with the Splinter=Shredder. I guess as far as a list goes you would have to list them equal right now, but we haven't seen enough of either of their skills to know if they truly are equal. Also I'd say the turtles have more skill than Leatherhead.

Actually.. if we have to look at the information given to us by the show... we should rank Splinter as the strongest, just slightly above Shredder. As it has been stated that Shredder never actually beat Splinter. Splinter very clearly says.

"All though he couldn't beat me that day, he took every-thing else."

But on the other hand, it has been fifteen years since then. It doesn't seem like either of them just stopped training.. and I would assume Shredder trained a bit more excesively than Splinter has.

It does leave for some very exciting tension though, that both of them are much stronger than the turtles and every-body else. They both beat the turtles in under a minute, their fights against the turtles even looking kind of reminism of each other.

Of cause Splinter is going to win the day they face up against each other, that's how it is, he is the good guy. But well, Shredder looks like a big genuine threat right now.

[Atren]

Splinter = Shredder > Karai > Dogpound >= Fishface >= A-Team > B-Team > April > Cannon Fodder > Pulverizer

I would say Dogpound is bit ahead of A-Team still, but difference is not that big anymore, Raphael seem to do fine with Fishface last episode so their about equal. I guess next fight between them will show was it just bad day for Fishface or permanently so.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by LivingMutagen

Skills, as strength would be different, Splinter being strongest of them.

As this says it's about skills. Not strength and this isn't DBZ. Snakeweed and Spiderbytez do not have more skill than the turtles. They aren't even fighters. The only thing they have is more strength.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Atren

Splinter = Shredder > Karai > Dogpound >= Fishface >= A-Team > B-Team > April > Cannon Fodder > Pulverizer

I would say Dogpound is bit ahead of A-Team still, but difference is not that big anymore, Raphael seem to do fine with Fishface last episode so their about equal. I guess next fight between them will show was it just bad day for Fishface or permanently so.

we are sooo not doing that A-team, B-team thing...are we...

[Shreddhead]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Dogpound is over 9000.

hahaha! Im sorry, I dont know why that was so funny.


I think the Nick show is smart enough to keep its characters constantly evolving, making their strengths situation based- not some greater than/less than formula.

[Atren]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

we are sooo not doing that A-team, B-team thing...are we...

Sorry, could not resist

Anyways, concerning story vs level of power or whatever you want to call it I am kinda torn in between. Rigidness of the latter is not good, but neither is looseness of the former. Also hierarchy is not absolute and unchanging...as I said in my own post Raphael and Fishface for example. On other hand if they suddenly have April win Karai I will be really disappointed even if otherwise it was great story/episode.

EDIT:

I guess best way for me would be take this so called level of power as base and story as possible deviation from it. Both of those are important to choose wisely and can change after each episode.