A way to salvage Venus de Milo

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-09-2013, 01:07 PM

Venus De Milo... one of the most hated characters in TMNT lore, she is the thing that ruined the next mutation for many of it's viewers. Yet, I have recently come to realize that with some extensive retooling, any chacter can be revamped into something interesting.

Ok, I run a D20 TMNT RPG with my college friends, and the players in my game play the actual turtles and thier allies. I have recently been forced by situation (We had a girl join who knew about Venus, and wanted to play the girl Turtle) despite several protests from the group, I decided to work on her story to make the character work better. Tell me what you think;

Raised high in the moutians of China by the Daoist monk Chun-I after her parents abandoned her, the human woman Mei-Pi-Cheh became well known throughout the surrounding villages for her healing abilities and Chi-based telekenetic techquines. Kidnapped by the Foot Clan so that the foot mystics could study her abilities. Hearing about the kidnappings, the turtles go to rescue her from the Shredder's clutches. But during the botched rescue attempt, Mei is exposed to mutagen while being near one of the turtles. Transformed into a turtle herself, Mei eventually joined the TMNT's allies as a skilled healer with the albility to hurl objects with her mind, and some limited Kung-fu abilities, though a ninja she is not.

So, does something like this make the character more palatable? I'm hoping that the idea will be acceptable to my group.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-09-2013, 01:09 PM

There are many ways to "salvage" the character but the question to be asked, I think, is... "Why would you want to?"

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-09-2013, 01:19 PM

Becuase some people actually like certian characters, despite a lame potrayal in thier original medium, and actually think they can be revamped into something better. They see a glimmer of potentiel there, and it's not just a wash of 'nostalgia'. Much like Mister Freeze/Mister Zero was originally a goofball villian revamped into a dramatic and three dimensonal character, so other characters in other fictions can be.

*ObiWanFan4life* · 05-09-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Becuase some people actually like certian characters, despite a lame potrayal in thier original medium, and actually think they can be revamped into something better. They see a glimmer of potentiel there, and it's not just a wash of 'nostalgia'. Much like Mister Freeze/Mister Zero was originally a goofball villian revamped into a dramatic and three dimensonal character, so other characters in other fictions can be.

Next Mutation's downfall was that it was a carbon copy of the power rangers, Venus was one of the shows bigger problems. If she appears, there should be several alterations to her character:

1. No Magic
2. No overpowering the Turtles
3. No being used as a love-interest
4. No shell puns
5. No mixing up american terms
6. Absolutely NO Shell-Tits

Even then, the number of fans who Hate her far outnumber those who like her.

*ToTheNines* · 05-09-2013, 02:08 PM

I'd love to see Venus as a villain.

Of course, they shouldn't keep her around too long and Leo should decapitate her in an epic battle. That way, everybody wins.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-09-2013, 02:45 PM

Everyting else aside, I do respect all of the opinions that 'they suck', and partially agree with them.

When it was insisted that Venus had to be used, I decided to abolish the Mary-Sue asppects- no, she cannot take all the other turtles in a fight. She is a former human and not a ninja, so the long lost sister spect is tossed, along with the turtles not being brothers/relationship dilemmia from Next Mutation.

As for the magic... well, I have it turn out her healing/Telekenetic powers are the result of her knowledge of Daoist Alchemy- used in such a way that she is able to convince others she actually has powers- a form of Trickery on her opponents a ninja could respect. Her smoke bombs, her healing, and the 'mind tricks' from tossing a vile of an alchemical mix. Al;so her Kung Fu makes her fighting diffrent fom the other turtles.

As to the 'shell boobs', I did away with those, and also allowed the player to give her hair with a ponytail- a vestigal trait from her human origins, much like Mona Lisa has. Further differentiating her from her original counterpart.

*CyberCubed* · 05-09-2013, 04:10 PM

Every character from Next Mutation should be purposely buried and never spoken of again.

I don't even consider those characters to be TMNT characters, I view them as Saban/Power Ranger characters. Dragon Lord, Bonesteel, Venus, etc don't qualify as TMNT characters.

Vivi · 05-09-2013, 05:12 PM

Shell-boobs aside, the worst thing about Venus was that she was another mutant turtle. Almost anything else could be salvaged.

shihe · 05-09-2013, 07:04 PM

Well...

-Give her another color, light blue is too much like Leo (I pictured White on her)
-Make her a black skinned Turtle. I mean why not? There are several Turtle species out there, and it would be cool seeing this one.
-No "mystical" powers, give her an actual weapon.
-No shellboobs.
-Make her a beginner as opposed to being capable of beating all 4 Turtles at once.

And this just covers the basic, most annoying aspects of Venus.

To be honest, everytime I'm like "Ok, I'll give the show another chance, and Venus too for that matter, can't be that bad, can it?"

Then I watch an episode and wonder why the heck I even thought of giving it another chance.

(And I keep giving them.. I guess I figure if Saban brought me hours upon hours of entertainment with Power Rangers, this would do a bit better, being TMNT and all)

*VaughnMichael* · 05-09-2013, 08:55 PM

I've always been fine with the idea of Venus, it's just the entire she was there and we just never saw her in the fish bowl that bothers me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Every character from Next Mutation should be purposely buried and never spoken of again.

I don't even consider those characters to be TMNT characters, I view them as Saban/Power Ranger characters. Dragon Lord, Bonesteel, Venus, etc don't qualify as TMNT characters.

Yet Kevin Eastman came up with most of them.

Stingray69 · 05-09-2013, 10:45 PM

I like the idea of venus just not her origin.

I dont see a problem with another muntant turtle. No one seems to have a problem with slash or tokka. So why all the hate for her?

I would just prefer she not become a perment part of the team. Maybe join up with them here and there but not all the time.

Shell boobs, who cares? Half her dna is human why cant she have boobs? Plus it makes it easier for people who are not fans to see thats its female turtle.

Physic powers? why not look at all the other crazy stuff we love and accept as part of the lore.

As for her color someone on here did a custom re paint with her bieng pink. I thought that looked awsome.

*Shark_Blade* · 05-09-2013, 11:09 PM

Salvage Venus?

alliance · 05-10-2013, 09:29 AM

no no no no no....

lets bring back Jar Jar while were at it when the 2015 movie hits..

[Mod Edit: Rude and unnecessary comments removed.]

GodzFire · 05-10-2013, 09:34 AM

#shelltits

*miru* · 05-10-2013, 09:37 AM

Yes! Let's salvage her!

I actually liked her on Next Mutation. Maybe she could mutate from April or Spike? She should still have the shellboobs, but not be more powerful than the turtles. That's like Blaze being stronger than Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.

ryukenden · 05-10-2013, 09:40 AM

If someway somehow Venus does make a return. She should not overshadow and make the main Turtles look useless. One idea comes to mind is that she ought to have difficulty settling in because Leo and Raph feel she is not ready.

*ObiWanFan4life* · 05-10-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by miru

Yes! Let's salvage her!

I actually liked her on Next Mutation. Maybe she could mutate from April or Spike? She should still have the shellboobs, but not be more powerful than the turtles. That's like Blaze being stronger than Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.

No! Let's Not!

Mutate from Spike? Nasty! How about somebody cool like Alopex or Usagi.

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 05-10-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alliance

no no no no no....

[...]

Dude, really? Over a fictional character?

That was rude, immature, and uncalled for man, seriously

I said I originally didn't like her ethier, but I was pushed by one of my players to let her play the 'girl turtle', despite offering to make an OC for her who was less mary-sue-ish. So I did the best I could retooling her into something usable.

The point of this thread was if you were forced to use her, how could you best salvage her, not that she should be salvaged. I don't really care if they bring venus back, or not. My point was somebody else saw a glimmer of potential in the character, and I did my best to make her work given the circumstances.

RaphAndDonnie · 05-10-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

The point of this thread was if you were forced to use her, how could you best salvage her, not that she should be salvaged. I don't really care if they bring venus back, or not. My point was somebody else saw a glimmer of potential in the character, and I did my best to make her work given the circumstances.

There are many times were I've gotten requests to write fan fiction about characters that are considered useless and bad so I'll rework the character a bit. The backstory you gave Venus here:

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Raised high in the moutians of China by the Daoist monk Chun-I after her parents abandoned her, the human woman Mei-Pi-Cheh became well known throughout the surrounding villages for her healing abilities and Chi-based telekenetic techquines. Kidnapped by the Foot Clan so that the foot mystics could study her abilities. Hearing about the kidnappings, the turtles go to rescue her from the Shredder's clutches. But during the botched rescue attempt, Mei is exposed to mutagen while being near one of the turtles. Transformed into a turtle herself, Mei eventually joined the TMNT's allies as a skilled healer with the albility to hurl objects with her mind, and some limited Kung-fu abilities, though a ninja she is not.

is quite good, certainly better then her actual backstory.

alliance · 05-10-2013, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Dude, really? Over a fictional character?

That was rude, immature, and uncalled for man, seriously

I said I originally didn't like her ethier, but I was pushed by one of my players to let her play the 'girl turtle', despite offering to make an OC for her who was less mary-sue-ish. So I did the best I could retooling her into something usable.

The point of this thread was if you were forced to use her, how could you best salvage her, not that she should be salvaged. I don't really care if they bring venus back, or not. My point was somebody else saw a glimmer of potential in the character, and I did my best to make her work given the circumstances.

YES...over a fictional character..

your reasons for doing this thread simply is rude, immature, and uncalled for, seriously..

all i said was the o'l u must be smokin that stuff comment, nothing more...relax

but i'll bite.. i actually do have a suggestion with what we can do with such an abomination of a character

heres my awesome idea:

at the end of the episode she turns out to be a robot..

theres my idea..

preserving the integrity of the Turtles even though turtles 3 is still in existance

05-09-2013, 01:07 PM	#1
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	A way to salvage Venus de Milo Venus De Milo... one of the most hated characters in TMNT lore, she is the thing that ruined the next mutation for many of it's viewers. Yet, I have recently come to realize that with some extensive retooling, any chacter can be revamped into something interesting. Ok, I run a D20 TMNT RPG with my college friends, and the players in my game play the actual turtles and thier allies. I have recently been forced by situation (We had a girl join who knew about Venus, and wanted to play the girl Turtle) despite several protests from the group, I decided to work on her story to make the character work better. Tell me what you think; Raised high in the moutians of China by the Daoist monk Chun-I after her parents abandoned her, the human woman Mei-Pi-Cheh became well known throughout the surrounding villages for her healing abilities and Chi-based telekenetic techquines. Kidnapped by the Foot Clan so that the foot mystics could study her abilities. Hearing about the kidnappings, the turtles go to rescue her from the Shredder's clutches. But during the botched rescue attempt, Mei is exposed to mutagen while being near one of the turtles. Transformed into a turtle herself, Mei eventually joined the TMNT's allies as a skilled healer with the albility to hurl objects with her mind, and some limited Kung-fu abilities, though a ninja she is not. So, does something like this make the character more palatable? I'm hoping that the idea will be acceptable to my group. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

05-09-2013, 01:09 PM	#2
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,528	There are many ways to "salvage" the character but the question to be asked, I think, is... "Why would you want to?" __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

05-09-2013, 01:19 PM	#3
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Becuase some people actually like certian characters, despite a lame potrayal in thier original medium, and actually think they can be revamped into something better. They see a glimmer of potentiel there, and it's not just a wash of 'nostalgia'. Much like Mister Freeze/Mister Zero was originally a goofball villian revamped into a dramatic and three dimensonal character, so other characters in other fictions can be. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

05-09-2013, 02:45 PM	#6
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Everyting else aside, I do respect all of the opinions that 'they suck', and partially agree with them. When it was insisted that Venus had to be used, I decided to abolish the Mary-Sue asppects- no, she cannot take all the other turtles in a fight. She is a former human and not a ninja, so the long lost sister spect is tossed, along with the turtles not being brothers/relationship dilemmia from Next Mutation. As for the magic... well, I have it turn out her healing/Telekenetic powers are the result of her knowledge of Daoist Alchemy- used in such a way that she is able to convince others she actually has powers- a form of Trickery on her opponents a ninja could respect. Her smoke bombs, her healing, and the 'mind tricks' from tossing a vile of an alchemical mix. Al;so her Kung Fu makes her fighting diffrent fom the other turtles. As to the 'shell boobs', I did away with those, and also allowed the player to give her hair with a ponytail- a vestigal trait from her human origins, much like Mona Lisa has. Further differentiating her from her original counterpart. __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.

05-09-2013, 07:04 PM	#9
shihe Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 273	Well... -Give her another color, light blue is too much like Leo (I pictured White on her) -Make her a black skinned Turtle. I mean why not? There are several Turtle species out there, and it would be cool seeing this one. -No "mystical" powers, give her an actual weapon. -No shellboobs. -Make her a beginner as opposed to being capable of beating all 4 Turtles at once. And this just covers the basic, most annoying aspects of Venus. To be honest, everytime I'm like "Ok, I'll give the show another chance, and Venus too for that matter, can't be that bad, can it?" Then I watch an episode and wonder why the heck I even thought of giving it another chance. (And I keep giving them.. I guess I figure if Saban brought me hours upon hours of entertainment with Power Rangers, this would do a bit better, being TMNT and all) __________________

05-09-2013, 02:08 PM	#5
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,329	I'd love to see Venus as a villain. Of course, they shouldn't keep her around too long and Leo should decapitate her in an epic battle. That way, everybody wins.

05-09-2013, 04:10 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,864	Every character from Next Mutation should be purposely buried and never spoken of again. I don't even consider those characters to be TMNT characters, I view them as Saban/Power Ranger characters. Dragon Lord, Bonesteel, Venus, etc don't qualify as TMNT characters.

05-09-2013, 05:12 PM	#8
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	Shell-boobs aside, the worst thing about Venus was that she was another mutant turtle. Almost anything else could be salvaged.

05-09-2013, 10:45 PM	#11
Stingray69 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 916	I like the idea of venus just not her origin. I dont see a problem with another muntant turtle. No one seems to have a problem with slash or tokka. So why all the hate for her? I would just prefer she not become a perment part of the team. Maybe join up with them here and there but not all the time. Shell boobs, who cares? Half her dna is human why cant she have boobs? Plus it makes it easier for people who are not fans to see thats its female turtle. Physic powers? why not look at all the other crazy stuff we love and accept as part of the lore. As for her color someone on here did a custom re paint with her bieng pink. I thought that looked awsome. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. Looking to buy old Kool aid flavors no longer produced.

05-09-2013, 11:09 PM	#12
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Salvage Venus?

05-10-2013, 09:29 AM	#13
alliance Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 328	no no no no no.... lets bring back Jar Jar while were at it when the 2015 movie hits.. [Mod Edit: Rude and unnecessary comments removed.] __________________ 80's TURTLES MUCH COOLER THAN FORGOTTEN 4KIDS

05-10-2013, 09:34 AM	#14
GodzFire Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Sewers Posts: 292	#shelltits

05-10-2013, 09:37 AM	#15
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	Yes! Let's salvage her! I actually liked her on Next Mutation. Maybe she could mutate from April or Spike? She should still have the shellboobs, but not be more powerful than the turtles. That's like Blaze being stronger than Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.

05-10-2013, 09:40 AM	#16
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	If someway somehow Venus does make a return. She should not overshadow and make the main Turtles look useless. One idea comes to mind is that she ought to have difficulty settling in because Leo and Raph feel she is not ready.