Killing and Violence In TMNT - Page 4

Sparvid · 03-29-2003, 09:04 PM

Yep, if you attack the Turtles with the intent to kill, you're going down!

beaker · 03-30-2003, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well then it has potential to become more than a second archie series.

hmm...lets compare: Archie TMNT=craptaculair art on cheap paper
Dreamwave TMNT=astonishing manga TMNT on nice color glossy paper.
I stick by my guns when I say the DW TMNT will most likely go down as the best looking TMNT(IMHO) in over a decade and a half.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 04:21 AM

Wrong.
Archie= Comic version of the cartoon
DreamWave= Comic version of the cartoon

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 10:20 AM

But I have to agree with Beaker as far as Jim Lawson's drawings in the Archie series are concerned. They looked sooooo weird!

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:07 AM

Did Lawsson do archie? I never knew that. His old Mirage art is VERY good, so are the TMNT in the new Mirage, but the human characters could use little work.

*Raven* · 03-30-2003, 11:11 AM

ya I got to agree with karpo
I loved is work in city at work but its like v.4 he like I dont know he dosent draw very well
is new style kinda SUCKS!

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by major pain

ya I got to agree with karpo
I loved is work in city at work but its like v.4 he like I dont know he dosent draw very well
is new style kinda SUCKS!

City at work... LOL

Yeah it's weird how the new style differs from the old one.

*Raven* · 03-30-2003, 11:19 AM

Wait I was thinking jims new work just dosent kinda suck
It sucks major ass pain
it sucks how did he change it without thinking it looks good

ah hell I give up!

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 11:44 AM

I love his Mirage-work, even though the humans look soo weird, but his Archie work sucked!

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 11:47 AM

I can't say, I have never seen his achie work.

Lanagirl · 03-30-2003, 12:03 PM

Violence does not always mean death or scars. The behaviour and views may be violent and even if charcaters don't kill each other, the show still can be evil and violent. It depends on how they will make this death. We may not notice it or it won't upset us. Violence is a wide notion.
But i would like to see Shredder,Hun, TMNT and Foot soldiers safe and sound. When children see that evil guys can be killed, they can think that killing a bad guy is not a crime. That is why they should NOT show any death.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 12:08 PM

But they have, and children today are smart enough to understand that fiction is not reality. But as the cartoon get replaced by was reports, they can hear about real killing. That I consider way more harmfull.

*Raven* · 03-30-2003, 12:09 PM

I think death wouldnt be bad on tv because you can still do storys like leo having to face him self for killing some one.
also its cool when some jackass gets is head poped off

**Barkworm** · 03-30-2003, 12:11 PM

Hey Karpo, to see Jim Lawson's art on Archie check out this link:
http://www.wheeljack.com/?module=Com...3&id=7&image=1

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 12:19 PM

That really looks bad.

Shellfox · 03-30-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

But they have, and children today are smart enough to understand that fiction is not reality. But as the cartoon get replaced by was reports, they can hear about real killing. That I consider way more harmfull.

Again the reports are for the parents to see, and while most kids are smart it only takes the one stupid one to imitae the show and get someone hurt and his/her equaly stupid parents to raise hell about and not take reposibilty for explaining right and wrong to there kids to riun everything.

**Karpo_007** · 03-30-2003, 12:46 PM

Just saying that if there is few off screen deaths in cartoon, it shouldn't affect kids any more than those war reports.

*Raven* · 03-30-2003, 12:59 PM

I dont see any think worng with some one dieing!
yesterday I was driving and I came arcross a cross walk a old lady stud on the side walk i motioned to let her over then I ran her over!

see no promblem

*Roseangelo* · 03-30-2003, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Wrong.
Archie= Comic version of the cartoon
DreamWave= Comic version of the cartoon

I'm just curious how much of the Archie series you've read. The Archie series I love has absolutely nothing in common with the old cartoon. Nothing. IMO the last few years of the Archie series really pushed the limits of a "children's" series.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-30-2003, 11:30 PM

I agree whole-heartedly. Even though Archie began as a direct adaptation of the cartoon, over time it evolved into something really, really good. I didn't think there was anything particularly "kiddy" or "cartoonish" about seeing the Mutanimals' bullet-riddled corpses lying in a pool of blood. I also loved Chris Allan's art. The book started out kinda rough but over time it got really good, much better than most people give it credit for.

03-30-2003, 10:20 AM	#64
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	But I have to agree with Beaker as far as Jim Lawson's drawings in the Archie series are concerned. They looked sooooo weird! __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 11:11 AM	#66
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	ya I got to agree with karpo I loved is work in city at work but its like v.4 he like I dont know he dosent draw very well is new style kinda SUCKS! __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

03-30-2003, 11:19 AM	#68
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	Wait I was thinking jims new work just dosent kinda suck It sucks major ass pain it sucks how did he change it without thinking it looks good ah hell I give up! __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

03-30-2003, 11:44 AM	#69
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	I love his Mirage-work, even though the humans look soo weird, but his Archie work sucked! __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 12:03 PM	#71
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	Violence does not always mean death or scars. The behaviour and views may be violent and even if charcaters don't kill each other, the show still can be evil and violent. It depends on how they will make this death. We may not notice it or it won't upset us. Violence is a wide notion. But i would like to see Shredder,Hun, TMNT and Foot soldiers safe and sound. When children see that evil guys can be killed, they can think that killing a bad guy is not a crime. That is why they should NOT show any death. __________________ DEATH IN DAYS PAST FORGIVEN BY THE GREATEST EVIL TOUCHED ONE HEART AND THROUGH BORN LOVE

03-29-2003, 09:04 PM	#61
Sparvid Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Östersund, Sweden Posts: 860	Yep, if you attack the Turtles with the intent to kill, you're going down!

03-30-2003, 04:21 AM	#63
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Wrong. Archie= Comic version of the cartoon DreamWave= Comic version of the cartoon

03-30-2003, 11:07 AM	#65
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Did Lawsson do archie? I never knew that. His old Mirage art is VERY good, so are the TMNT in the new Mirage, but the human characters could use little work.

03-30-2003, 11:47 AM	#70
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I can't say, I have never seen his achie work.

03-30-2003, 12:08 PM	#72
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	But they have, and children today are smart enough to understand that fiction is not reality. But as the cartoon get replaced by was reports, they can hear about real killing. That I consider way more harmfull.

03-30-2003, 12:09 PM	#73
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	I think death wouldnt be bad on tv because you can still do storys like leo having to face him self for killing some one. also its cool when some jackass gets is head poped off __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

03-30-2003, 12:11 PM	#74
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	Hey Karpo, to see Jim Lawson's art on Archie check out this link: http://www.wheeljack.com/?module=Com...3&id=7&image=1 __________________ Make ****, not kill!

03-30-2003, 12:19 PM	#75
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	That really looks bad.

03-30-2003, 12:46 PM	#77
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Just saying that if there is few off screen deaths in cartoon, it shouldn't affect kids any more than those war reports.

03-30-2003, 12:59 PM	#78
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	I dont see any think worng with some one dieing! yesterday I was driving and I came arcross a cross walk a old lady stud on the side walk i motioned to let her over then I ran her over! see no promblem __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

03-30-2003, 11:30 PM	#80
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I agree whole-heartedly. Even though Archie began as a direct adaptation of the cartoon, over time it evolved into something really, really good. I didn't think there was anything particularly "kiddy" or "cartoonish" about seeing the Mutanimals' bullet-riddled corpses lying in a pool of blood. I also loved Chris Allan's art. The book started out kinda rough but over time it got really good, much better than most people give it credit for.