Casey Jones Trailer

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Zulithe

I think some of you are overlooking some huge signs here...

April doesn't want Don, but she also won't want Casey. It's clear who she wants.

Who's she spending all of her time with? Who is she looking up to for guidance?

Splinter knows what's up. He's been in that sewer for a loooong time with nothing but four boys. Time for a lil sum sum.

Great, just great. Now when ever I thing of April "training" with Splinter, these words are gonna pop up in my head.

[drgon78]

April and Splinter are "training"

[Gyt Kaliba]

LMAO at the April/Splinter stuff. Best crack pairing ever.

Originally Posted by Cure

"You're a turtle" is a completely valid reason not to like someone, don't be gross.

No offense, but no, it's not. I mean, I don't think you mean it that way, but think about this in a real life perspective...that's pretty dangerously close to saying that people of different races can't like people outside of their own race.

Donnie is a sentient being. April is a sentient being. If they both decided to hook up, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

[Luckyday]

If it can be done well in Mass Effect then it can be done well here, but how do you write a relationship like that here in TMNT?

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Gyt Kaliba

No offense, but no, it's not. I mean, I don't think you mean it that way, but think about this in a real life perspective...that's pretty dangerously close to saying that people of different races can't like people outside of their own race.

Oh my God, no it's f*cking not, do not even try. Different races aren't the same thing as different species, you inbred turtle f*cking creep.

[Donatello19]

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Cure

Oh my God, no it's f*cking not, do not even try. Different races aren't the same thing as different species, you inbred turtle f*cking creep.

Donnie is still not the same as a regular turtle. He has the same status as an alien. Different biology but still as sentient as a human.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Originally Posted by Cure

Oh my God, no it's f*cking not, do not even try. Different races aren't the same thing as different species, you inbred turtle f*cking creep.

Oh, yeah. Real original. Go for an 'inbred' joke on the guy from Arkansas, dur hur.

I'm not saying it's the same, at all, because this is fiction versus reality. But if this was also reality? Yeah, I'd call it wrong to say someone can't be with who they love just because they're different species. If you really think you'd be going all 'EWW GROSS' if two sentient beings wanted to be together in real life, then have fun in your little closed off bubble mentality.

And for the record, I'm not a "furry". At all. My support of Donnie/April has nothing to do with the fact that Donnie is a turtle, I just find the relationship (as it's been portrayed thus far anyway) ridiculously cute, and yeah, I'd like to see the poor guy actually win - because this Donatello is a really sweet character (I blame Rob Paulsen for his awesome portrayal). If we'd gotten this personality in a Casey instead of a Donatello, guess what - I'd be rooting for Casey. It's the personalities I find adorable here.

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Donnie still not the same as a regular turtle. He has the same status as an alien. Different biology but still as sentient as a human.

EXACTLY. Finally someone gets it. The way some people go on, it's like they'd be more disgusted by April kissing Donnie on the cheek then they would be by Donnie climbing the fence into a turtle pen at a zoo and fading to black with porn music blaring.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Gyt Kaliba

Oh, yeah. Real original. Go for an 'inbred' joke on the guy from Arkansas, dur hur.

I'm not going for the inbred joke on someone from Arkansas; I'm going for the inbred joke on someone stupid enough to think a turtle with a human is OK. Get it right.

You can use your eye rollies all you want, but you're the gross one here, homie.

[Donatello19]

Uh, guys? Can we please keep in mind that this is just a cartoon?

[BabyTurtles]

it's not that it isn't impossible from them to be together...

but I still think it's a legit reason, to turn down an alien/mutant if you want to date your own species....

race and species are too different things, if you marry someone of a different species....then complications can turn up.......... (like what if they wanted a baby!?)

and...why am I arguing this XD?? (it's a cartoon!)

the point is....if April doesn't want to be with a mutant, then thats her decision.....and if April is cool with it then fine.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Donatello19

Uh, guys? Can we please keep in mind that this is just a cartoon?

Hush! You're ruining good quality entertainment!

[BabyTurtles]

can't we just be excited for Casey? XD

[Gyt Kaliba]

If you ask me the only thing gross here is the thought that someone would be so closed minded as to decry two sentient beings being together if they wanted to. Certainly hope you're less closed minded in actual real life issues, or you're certainly on the wrong side of a lot of important issues.

Also amused that you're stooping to direct insults despite me speaking fairly respectfully to you despite completely disagreeing with you, but whatever works for you.

I doubt any of this is going to even be an issue anyway though, since it being a Nick show, we wouldn't be seeing anything more than very tame kisses or hand holding in the first place, regardless of who April gets with, if anyone at all.

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

but I still think it's a legit reason, to turn down an alien/mutant if you want to date your own species....

It could be a contributing reason, yeah, but I would hope there'd be more to it, otherwise April would come off as kind of shallow IMO.

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

race and species are too different things, if you marry someone of a different species....then complications can turn up.......... (like what if they wanted a baby!?)

There's always adoption.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Gyt Kaliba

If you ask me the only thing gross here is the thought that someone would be so closed minded as to decry two sentient beings being together if they wanted to. Certainly hope you're less closed minded in actual real life issues, or you're certainly on the wrong side of a lot of important issues.

Also amused that you're stooping to direct insults despite me speaking fairly respectfully to you despite completely disagreeing with you, but whatever works for you.

I doubt any of this is going to even be an issue anyway though, since it being a Nick show, we wouldn't be seeing anything more than very tame kisses or hand holding in the first place, regardless of who April gets with, if anyone at all.

Or if any at all really. This isn't the right adaptation to be thinking about this. This whole thing is more of a running joke but I would be amazed if the writers of the show had the gall to bring closure to this no matter how good or bad the outcome will be.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by Cure

Oh my God, no it's f*cking not, do not even try. Different races aren't the same thing as different species, you inbred turtle f*cking creep.

You must have thought this was gross and offensive too right?

Spoiler:

Oh that Human/Super Alien love fest garbage!!! *VOMITS*

[Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by Gyt Kaliba

If you ask me the only thing gross here is the thought that someone would be so closed minded as to decry two sentient beings being together if they wanted to. Certainly hope you're less closed minded in actual real life issues, or you're certainly on the wrong side of a lot of important issues.

Really...what are you talking about? Real life issues? How does this translate to real life issues at all? You keep referring to them as "sentient beings". As far as I'm aware, in real life the only other sentient beings humans are allowed to marry or have sex with or whatever are OTHER human beings. Not horses. Not dogs. Not turtles. Those things are all sentient and yet that shi* still grosses me out. Sorry if that makes me "close minded".

[Gyt Kaliba]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

Really...what are you talking about? Real life issues? How does this translate to real life issues at all? You keep referring to them as "sentient beings". As far as I'm aware, in real life the only other sentient beings humans are allowed to marry or have sex with or whatever are OTHER human beings. Not horses. Now dogs. No turtles. Those things are all sentient and yet that **** still grosses me out. Sorry if that makes me "close minded".

I'm making a comparison, or rather a hypothesis - that being that, if there were such things as mutants with human intellect and personalities and a boy or girl of that species fell in love with a human, and the human loved them back, then it would be wrong to say both were 'sick' for feeling what they feel. It would be just as wrong as people saying a black man and a white woman couldn't be together, or that two men can't be together - it's the same kind of wrong rationale to me. Again however, I'm not suggesting that anyone I'm arguing with is also against either of those things, or that they mean it in the same way at all - but that's certainly how it would come off in reality.

And since when were dogs or horses 'sentient'? Maybe the definition of the word has changed, but last I checked, the only 'sentient' beings we know of are us, the humans, with dolphins and certain types of monkeys only coming close.

I guess I'll have to put this as plainly as I can - suppose mutant turtles, or whatever, were real. They had different bodies and such from us, but were mentally human, much like our characters here are. They experience the same emotions we do on the same levels that we do, they pretty much are human save for physical differences. In that scenario, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of them being in a relationship with other beings on that same mentality level.

This, despite how some of you seem to be taking it, is NOT the same as me saying people should be able to go out and do whatever they want with their dogs or horses or turtles, that are NOT sentient. At all.

[Bossa Nova]

Except that those animals are sentient. To be sentient, in its simplest term, means to have a capacity for awareness, the ability to perceive feelings. It has nothing to do with intelligence. These animals (and many others) recognize and understand suffering, fear and happiness. They have proven time and time again the ability to contain and convey emotions toward other humans and animals that have absolutely nothing to do with conditioning for food or protection.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Perhaps I need a different word then, hmm. What would be the word for what I'm trying to say here? For a being to be on the same intellectual and emotional level as humans?

My point still stands regardless though.