Who is your favorite Robin? - Page 3

*CyberCubed* · 07-27-2013, 07:42 PM

Its kinda funny when you realize how much of the general population doesn't even know there's more than one Robin. Even in the cartoons Tim Drake has such little exposure, only appearing in a few of the last B:TAS episodes and a role in Young Justice.

Outside of comic fans, so many people only know of Dick Grayson as Robin.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 07-27-2013, 07:54 PM

Tim Drake. In the early 90's it was cool to see Robin break out into his own solo series.

Sometimes I think that Jason Todd wasn't given enough of a chance. I think in time they could have done storylines where he learned the error of his ways and mellowed out a little. Then again, we wouldn't have had a story arc as memorable as A Death in The Family. Seeing the cover with Batman holding Robin's body is still kind of eerie today.

Aoreinoken · 07-27-2013, 08:52 PM

Robin John Blake was a good "Robin" in my opinion. Also the old Nordic/Scandanavian for the origin of Blake Natt Blacka or Nott Bakke which in rough english translate to Night or Black leather wings which was there rough name for the Bat. So you coulde say his name is Robin John Bat. John also being the middle name for Richard Grayson.

*CyberCubed* · 07-27-2013, 10:11 PM

John Blake isn't a real Robin. Nolan thought he was being clever by giving some unrelated cop character the first name, "Robin."

One of the reasons I'm glad the Nolan universe is over is simply because I didn't want to see John Blake come back wearing the Batman suit. That would have angered me greatly.

*Zulithe* · 07-27-2013, 10:29 PM

Let's take a close look at that badge he wears...

Not too far off from this eh?

*CyberCubed* · 07-27-2013, 10:32 PM

I just hate the fact that he's not Dick Grayson yet is portrayed as the first Robin in this movie. It doesn't matter as we'll never see him again.

*Zulithe* · 07-27-2013, 10:38 PM

As far as I am concerned he *is* Dick Grayson, some alternate version where his parents died and Bruce didn't cross paths with him, so he found his own way to bring justice into the world by being a cop.

But yeah it's all history now. I do hope Robin is a part of the future bat films but so far they haven't been able to find the right way to work him in. I still believe that if they stopped trying to think of ways to adapt it for a movie audience and just adapted the comics faithfully it would work. You can tell that was a big part of the approach in The Avengers and it definitely worked there.

*NinjaPug* · 07-27-2013, 10:40 PM

Having John Blake's real name be 'Robin' was just a nod to the fans. He wasn't actually Robin. He was never Batman's sidekick.

*Zulithe* · 07-27-2013, 10:42 PM

Alright, continue to overlook the obvious here. if you can't read between the lines I can't help you

*CyberCubed* · 07-27-2013, 11:03 PM

I just hate Joseph Gordon Levitt in general. The fact that he's getting all these roles in TV shows now just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's the new "fad" or something.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 07-27-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I just hate Joseph Gordon Levitt in general. The fact that he's getting all these roles in TV shows now just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's the new "fad" or something.

I think he deserves it. He won me over in 500 Days of Summer and 50/50.

*Coola Yagami* · 07-28-2013, 12:48 AM

Damian Wayne and Tim Drake. Dick and Jason are way cooler as the people they are now rather than the actual time when they were Robins. Kudos to Tim for adding a new look to the outfit and using a staff to fight crime.

*shuriken* · 07-28-2013, 01:19 AM

Tim Drake all the way. From the little that I've seen from Todd he's not a great Robin and Dick is just soo much better as Nightwing.

*sdp* · 07-28-2013, 03:04 AM

I like Dick Grayson and his character arc of evolving, however as far as I know the Dick most of us have come to know is actually a hybrid of Dick and Tim. So who knows.

Jason Todd, haven't really been exposed much to him but overall I like what they did to him, he started as a clone of Dick and then given his own personality which many didn't like so they killed him but at least he became a separate character.

Tim, also haven't been exposed much to him however I don't like him as much, his origin isn't that appealing and he just seems like a way for Batman to get another Robin, but yeah apparently I like him if the Dick we see today is based on Tim.

Stephanie Brown, Well she was just a marketing gimmick of the first "female" Robin, and I loved her costume and the few stories she was in, wasted opportunity.

Damien, I was against this idea of not just another Robin but Bruce having a son however I grew to really like the idea, and now he's gone...

I like the legacy of Robins but it has become a bit of a joke with Batman never aging. Though I think with the new 52 Tim has never been an official Robin? Comics have great ideas but the fact that they can't continue a story really limits them.

*CyberCubed* · 07-28-2013, 08:35 AM

I'm sure in a few years DC will retcon Batman continuity and wipe Jason Todd and Damian Wayne from ever existing again. Jason Todd will have never come back from the dead and Damian Wayne would have never happened.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-28-2013, 02:06 PM

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

*Electric* · 07-28-2013, 03:04 PM

im a tim drake fan.

Dick grayson was cool, but i like him better when hes nightwing.

My least favorites are damian and carrie, as i am bothered by damian and i found carrie a little under qualified

Lord Nightwalker · 07-28-2013, 04:25 PM

I liked all the Robins, each brought a different element to the table. I kinda wish they would have kept Damien around longer and developed him more. I get this feeling they (DC) are planning on making Harper or Carrie Robin next. I'm not sure how or if that will play out very well, especialy with his death. Seems a bit forced. I do like how they are evolving Jason into something more, and slowly weaning him away from villiany towards redemption. A Punisher/Redhood cross over might be pretty killer with the right artist/writer on board.

Lord Nightwalker · 07-28-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

They show Tim's Robin costume in Titans. Kid Flash even wears it. I always thought it just went unspoken, especialy since he is included in all the Bat family story arcs like court of owls and death of the family. One Tim moment that did surprise me, was that he and Jason had become realy good friends. That one I didn't espect.

Gwydion · 07-28-2013, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed.

Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there?

My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different.

I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

Completely agree with this, and I'm not even a huge Tim fan. Erasing Tim as a Robin is ridiculous. As Leo pointed out, the way in which he became Robin was great and well worth it, and to see all that erased was pretty off putting for someone who was still relatively new to comics like myself. I mean, I took the time to actually try to understand the characters and their backstories only to suddenly find most of the best material discarded, and for no good reason, really.

And I have to agree on an earlier point as well - the whole kicking Tim out as Robin only so Damian could move in felt forced and contrived. Much as I grew to love Damian over time, I really couldn't stand the kid at first, and I was baffled that they'd just replace Tim so quick and easily when he was clearly doing a great job as Robin. I will say though that I did at least enjoy the (pre-N52) results of it - Red Robin and Batman and Robin were two of my favorite releases at the time.

I will say this about Damian, though: I may not be a fan of the "son" angle, but I thought his character development was handled really well. He remained snarky all the way through (what I read, anyway), but it was great seeing the more subtle changes in him over time. I think that's why I liked him so much. I love to see characters grow and change in a way that feels pretty natural, not to mention be snarky because I just enjoy that sort of thing, lol.

07-28-2013, 12:48 AM	#52
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,717	Damian Wayne and Tim Drake. Dick and Jason are way cooler as the people they are now rather than the actual time when they were Robins. Kudos to Tim for adding a new look to the outfit and using a staff to fight crime. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

07-28-2013, 01:19 AM	#53
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	Tim Drake all the way. From the little that I've seen from Todd he's not a great Robin and Dick is just soo much better as Nightwing. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

07-28-2013, 03:04 AM	#54
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I like Dick Grayson and his character arc of evolving, however as far as I know the Dick most of us have come to know is actually a hybrid of Dick and Tim. So who knows. Jason Todd, haven't really been exposed much to him but overall I like what they did to him, he started as a clone of Dick and then given his own personality which many didn't like so they killed him but at least he became a separate character. Tim, also haven't been exposed much to him however I don't like him as much, his origin isn't that appealing and he just seems like a way for Batman to get another Robin, but yeah apparently I like him if the Dick we see today is based on Tim. Stephanie Brown, Well she was just a marketing gimmick of the first "female" Robin, and I loved her costume and the few stories she was in, wasted opportunity. Damien, I was against this idea of not just another Robin but Bruce having a son however I grew to really like the idea, and now he's gone... I like the legacy of Robins but it has become a bit of a joke with Batman never aging. Though I think with the new 52 Tim has never been an official Robin? Comics have great ideas but the fact that they can't continue a story really limits them. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

07-28-2013, 03:04 PM	#57
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	im a tim drake fan. Dick grayson was cool, but i like him better when hes nightwing. My least favorites are damian and carrie, as i am bothered by damian and i found carrie a little under qualified __________________

07-27-2013, 07:42 PM	#41
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Its kinda funny when you realize how much of the general population doesn't even know there's more than one Robin. Even in the cartoons Tim Drake has such little exposure, only appearing in a few of the last B:TAS episodes and a role in Young Justice. Outside of comic fans, so many people only know of Dick Grayson as Robin.

07-27-2013, 07:54 PM	#42
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	Tim Drake. In the early 90's it was cool to see Robin break out into his own solo series. Sometimes I think that Jason Todd wasn't given enough of a chance. I think in time they could have done storylines where he learned the error of his ways and mellowed out a little. Then again, we wouldn't have had a story arc as memorable as A Death in The Family. Seeing the cover with Batman holding Robin's body is still kind of eerie today.

07-27-2013, 08:52 PM	#43
Aoreinoken Mouser Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Macon, Georgia Posts: 7	Robin John Blake was a good "Robin" in my opinion. Also the old Nordic/Scandanavian for the origin of Blake Natt Blacka or Nott Bakke which in rough english translate to Night or Black leather wings which was there rough name for the Bat. So you coulde say his name is Robin John Bat. John also being the middle name for Richard Grayson.

07-27-2013, 10:11 PM	#44
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	John Blake isn't a real Robin. Nolan thought he was being clever by giving some unrelated cop character the first name, "Robin." One of the reasons I'm glad the Nolan universe is over is simply because I didn't want to see John Blake come back wearing the Batman suit. That would have angered me greatly.

07-27-2013, 10:29 PM	#45
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	Let's take a close look at that badge he wears... Not too far off from this eh?

07-27-2013, 10:32 PM	#46
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	I just hate the fact that he's not Dick Grayson yet is portrayed as the first Robin in this movie. It doesn't matter as we'll never see him again.

07-27-2013, 10:38 PM	#47
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	As far as I am concerned he is Dick Grayson, some alternate version where his parents died and Bruce didn't cross paths with him, so he found his own way to bring justice into the world by being a cop. But yeah it's all history now. I do hope Robin is a part of the future bat films but so far they haven't been able to find the right way to work him in. I still believe that if they stopped trying to think of ways to adapt it for a movie audience and just adapted the comics faithfully it would work. You can tell that was a big part of the approach in The Avengers and it definitely worked there.

07-27-2013, 10:40 PM	#48
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	Having John Blake's real name be 'Robin' was just a nod to the fans. He wasn't actually Robin. He was never Batman's sidekick.

07-27-2013, 10:42 PM	#49
Zulithe Ninjutsu Master Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,418	Alright, continue to overlook the obvious here. if you can't read between the lines I can't help you

07-27-2013, 11:03 PM	#50
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	I just hate Joseph Gordon Levitt in general. The fact that he's getting all these roles in TV shows now just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's the new "fad" or something.

07-28-2013, 08:35 AM	#55
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	I'm sure in a few years DC will retcon Batman continuity and wipe Jason Todd and Damian Wayne from ever existing again. Jason Todd will have never come back from the dead and Damian Wayne would have never happened.

07-28-2013, 02:06 PM	#56
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	It's dumb that Tim, the only Robin who earned his way to the role rather than having it handed to him out of pity, was never "officially" Robin in the New 52 continuity. Dick was Robin because Bruce saw the parallels in what happened to each of their parents. Jason was Robin MOSTLY because Bruce was pissed at Dick for leaving (and later they added a twist where he was also being noble in trying to prevent Jason from growing up bad). And that kind of makes Batman look petty, because even with the retconned origin of "Well, the kid was stealing tires and his Dad works for Two-Face, so I'd better adopt him or he'll grow up to be a criminal," it was pretty obvious in the comics that the main motivation was Batman telling Dick, "Haha, I don't need you anymore!" After Jason died, it was explored that Bruce really did rush Jason through training too quickly and made him Robin before he was ready, all just to get back at Grayson, and in the end that's what got him killed. Meanwhile, Tim actually figured out who Batman was, who Robin was, worked hard for longer than either of his predecessors (all while being told flat-out, "You are wasting your time, you will never be Robin, or at least not for a long, long time"), and completely proved his worth by saving Batman's life not once, but TWICE, first from Two-Face and then from Scarecrow, before finally being granted the mantle. Afterwards, neither Stephanie or Damien did anything to earn it, Steph was only really Robin in her head (Bruce only declared her to have been "Robin" after she was dead), and Damien was Bruce's kid, and the alternative was to keep letting him run around murdering people, so what choice was there? My point being, DC choosing to avoid what actually happened with Tim Drake, and saying "He was never Robin, only Red Robin", not only undermines Tim's character and history, it undermines Robin's standing as a character entirely, as a strong case can be made for him being the "strongest" character of the sidekick bunch. His backstory also deviated greatly from what usually has to happen for one to be a Bat-character, in a good way: His parents weren't killed until way later on, his parents weren't conveniently Batman villains, he was just a regular kid who had a regular life who happened to really, really love Batman, he wanted to be Robin, and he worked hard until he got it. It's inspiring. It reverses the usual comic book idea of storytelling that heroes can only be born under tragic circumstances, and I greatly approve of how for once, they wanted to do something different. I love Tim's character, obviously, but I find the current DC attitude of "He's not Grayson, so he wasn't 'important' or 'iconic' enough to have been Robin" pretentious and disrespectful. It's like how they conveniently erased or downgraded Wally West, Jade, Obsidian and others, and it's why I haven't liked most of what they've done in general for the past two years. Every character is someone's favorite, so implying this or that character isn't important, by either down-grading them or erasing them entirely, is a pretty dumb thing to do.

07-28-2013, 04:25 PM	#58
Lord Nightwalker Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 698	I liked all the Robins, each brought a different element to the table. I kinda wish they would have kept Damien around longer and developed him more. I get this feeling they (DC) are planning on making Harper or Carrie Robin next. I'm not sure how or if that will play out very well, especialy with his death. Seems a bit forced. I do like how they are evolving Jason into something more, and slowly weaning him away from villiany towards redemption. A Punisher/Redhood cross over might be pretty killer with the right artist/writer on board.