A way to salvage Venus de Milo

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Kala, huh? Cool, that would give Mikey's player some interesting interactions, I bet. Personally, I've got nothing AGAINST Venus as a concept- I just don't like the way she was brought in. I don't mind the "shel boobs", since it's really just the shape of her plastron and not actual boobs. Makes you wonder why it's like that, though.

I'd totally change her backstory, though. Maybe something like what Krang did with R&B, or Tokka/Rahzar, etc. Possibly even an accident with mutagen in Krang's lab while studying a turtle to learn their weaknesses. The turtle escapes (it turns out to be female) and hides in the sewers, where it is found by the guys and/or Splinter, and starts learning from them. As a beginner, she wouldn't overshadow them, and there would be plenty of room for character growth and development.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Good ideas, but Venus is better off staying dead.

[pannoni1]

I still haven't seen a "Way to salvage Scrappy" at the Scooby-Doo forums. But then again, half of all turtles in this world are female, and Venus at least makes it more equal. Would I would do instead is to have a human Mona Lisa purchase a female pet Turtle from the pet shop, who soon comes in contact with the mutagen. As Mona Lisa gets ready to mutate, she touches Venus before it mutates so that it gives its human feminine character. If it sounds a bit silly, Ninjara could have been the last to touch the pet Venus before it touches the ooze.

[shihe]

Originally Posted by pannoni1

I still haven't seen a "Way to salvage Scrappy" at the Scooby-Doo forums. But then again, half of all turtles in this world are female, and Venus at least makes it more equal. Would I would do instead is to have a human Mona Lisa purchase a female pet Turtle from the pet shop, who soon comes in contact with the mutagen. As Mona Lisa gets ready to mutate, she touches Venus before it mutates so that it gives its human feminine character. If it sounds a bit silly, Ninjara could have been the last to touch the pet Venus before it touches the ooze.

Question.

If the Mutagen turns a living creature into a mutation in between said creature and the creature it last touched...

Then having a human touch a turtle cause in fact TWO Mutant Turtle characters to be formed? (One for the person, and another mutation for the turtle)

[Metalwolf]

I was thinking that maybe have her be an ordinary Turtle (no human origin) that is a pet of April's, and who gets taken by Shredder to be mutated and used against the Turtles. She does become conflicted at times when April is around, due to her having some good memories of April (having been her pet and all.) This emotional turmoil is made worse knowing April is aligned with the Turtles, who Venus was indoctrinated by Shredder to consider her worst enemies.

She is aligned with and is loyal to the Shredder, and she has some skill with the Chi magic stuff. She wears a black bandana and arm/knee pads and has those Chinese bladed fans as weapons. She has shellboobs, but she has no hair and is just a touch smaller then the male Turtles.

That's my take on a 'new' Venus

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That's similar to what I had in mind (see above post) but I like this better! A female "Slash"? Nice.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

See, now I think a female turtle can work (Slash, Tokka and the never-realized Kirby never upset the fanbase too much) just make her not a ninja, and an ally character instead of a member of the family, and I think it'd work.

[Luckyday]

I have a crazy idea. Why not give her a different origin that has no relation to the day when the main four were mutated (other then the fact that she is mutant like other mutant before her like Bebop and Rocksteady ) and instead make her a recurring character like Slash instead of a gimmicky fifth ninja turtle. In fact, don't even make her a shinobi. Give her a shaolin background since she's Chinese. Hey, better yet. Make her a teenage mutant shaolin sea-turtle.

Okay, I'm done now.

[CyberCubed]

Can we just let this character die and be forgotten already? The entire Next mutation series is the absolute low point of the TMNT franchise and an abomination.

Let's let this failure series and everything in it fall back into obscurity where it belongs.

[Jester]

I dunna. As much as I loath the series, I do like Mikey as a pirate radio DJ.

[Wildcat]

My origin for her would be either, experiments on animals and the turtles meet up with her one day or ooze from the sewer washes out to shore and comes in contact with a female turtle. Maybe she chooses shinobi on her own.

I finished watching Next Mutation and I agree its the weakest version but its not a horrible abomination. Alot of fans highly exaggerate this. Its just extremely generic. I wonder if I would have liked it as a kid though.

Venus was the best part actually. She wasn't overly goofy, she brought a new fighting style and a 5th turtle is at least an interesting idea.

[dkram230]

Originally Posted by pannoni1

I still haven't seen a "Way to salvage Scrappy" at the Scooby-Doo forums. But then again, half of all turtles in this world are female, and Venus at least makes it more equal. Would I would do instead is to have a human Mona Lisa purchase a female pet Turtle from the pet shop, who soon comes in contact with the mutagen. As Mona Lisa gets ready to mutate, she touches Venus before it mutates so that it gives its human feminine character. If it sounds a bit silly, Ninjara could have been the last to touch the pet Venus before it touches the ooze.

The first live action Scooby Doo movie actually did a good job of salvaging Scrappy by **spoiler alert** turning him into the bad guy who only appears at the end of the movie. And his back story showed how he was actually just as annoying to the group as he was to that SD viewers back in the day.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Can we just let this character die and be forgotten already? The entire Next mutation series is the absolute low point of the TMNT franchise and an abomination.

Let's let this failure series and everything in it fall back into obscurity where it belongs.

I agree 100%!!!!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not ALL of it was bad. Mikey's pirate radio show and the yeti mobster were actually kind of cool, and at least fit with other aspects of the franchise.

[Foot Soldier Clang]

Originally Posted by Jester

I dunna. As much as I loath the series, I do like Mikey as a pirate radio DJ.

Yeah the series had a few nice quirky ideas, but was still a let down.

And I was thinking, if the biggest issue is Venus being a turtle, then wouldn't making her not a turtle fix the character? If I'm not mistaken, a human Venus appeared as a decal in one of the new pieces Nick TMNT merchandise. You could keep her as a mystic/magic user ninja, without the controversy of her original incarnation. She doesn't add to the dynamic of the turtles, but TMNT as a whole could use more female heroes.

[ryukenden]

Venus being a total Mary Sue is mainly the reason why she gets ire from the fans. If Viacom ever does plan on bringing her in, they would have to pay Saban since he owns the character.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Actually, the funny thing is when we had the first two girls join our RPG, we were all afraid one of them would want to do venus. (Niether wanted to be april) but they decided to play Ninjara and Mona Lisa, much to everyone's relief. Mona Lisa has actually become like a fifth turtle herself in the RP, she's taken up using a turtle grappling hook and her tail as weapons in the RP game, and has proven to be a capable fighter even without ninjitsu. Certainly nobody has a problem with those two on the team in Venus's place. XD

Both Mona Lisa and Ninjara are good (even if Ninjara maybe hung out with the turtles a little too long).

[Prowler]

By not ever creating her in the first place.

Seriously, the TMNT were originally 4. Adding another one out of the blue was just plain and simply wrong on so many levels. If you want another mutant turtle then just use Slash or Tokka. Don't make them related to the TMNT at all though, obviously.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Can we just let this character die and be forgotten already? The entire Next mutation series is the absolute low point of the TMNT franchise and an abomination.

Let's let this failure series and everything in it fall back into obscurity where it belongs.

Well the whole series was put out on DVD, so it wont just stay dead. Its like that vampire or zombie that keeps coming back, Was at Walmark a few months or so ago and saw the dvd, and I was like did this really earn a dvd release?

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I have a crazy idea. Why not give her a different origin that has no relation to the day when the main four were mutated (other then the fact that she is mutant like other mutant before her like Bebop and Rocksteady ) and instead make her a recurring character like Slash instead of a gimmicky fifth ninja turtle. In fact, don't even make her a shinobi. Give her a shaolin background since she's Chinese. Hey, better yet. Make her a teenage mutant shaolin sea-turtle.

Okay, I'm done now.

Not gonna lie, I kinda like this idea. A Shaolin sea turtle would be neat, whether it's Venus or not.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Powder

Not gonna lie, I kinda like this idea. A Shaolin sea turtle would be neat, whether it's Venus or not.

It's also a crazy tongue twister. Try to say that three times fast.