Most Overrated TMNT Character?

[Raphaeline]

I'm sad to see so many Raph haters here, but well. He's not just a angry guys who fights. There's so much more to him than meets the eye.


I think MONA LISA is overrated.

I search some Raph fanart on deviantart ? Mona Lisa everywhere. I search TMNT videos on youtube? Mona Lisa is there as well with stupid petitions like "bring her back to the new series!" and stuff.

She was a naive, whining and lame character who appeared in ONE episode of the 87 series, we never saw her again, her background story was stupid (got mutated in a very strange way, etc), she jumps on Raphael who seems more embarrassed than in love, and now?

Mona Lisa everywhere.

I hope she will never appear in the 2012 series, she would just not match with the new Raph. She is soooo overrated. And I'd love to see the Mona Lisa fans dissapointed.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

Originally Posted by Raphaeline

I'm sad to see so many Raph haters here, but well. He's not just a angry guys who fights. There's so much more to him than meets the eye.


I think MONA LISA is overrated.

I search some Raph fanart on deviantart ? Mona Lisa everywhere. I search TMNT videos on youtube? Mona Lisa is there as well with stupid petitions like "bring her back to the new series!" and stuff.

She was a naive, whining and lame character who appeared in ONE episode of the 87 series, we never saw her again, her background story was stupid (got mutated in a very strange way, etc), she jumps on Raphael who seems more embarrassed than in love, and now?

Mona Lisa everywhere.

I hope she will never appear in the 2012 series, she would just not match with the new Raph. She is soooo overrated. And I'd love to see the Mona Lisa fans dissapointed.

So...he's a Transformer?

(I get what you're saying and agree, just couldn't help myself. He's my favorite 2k12 character, which really, really surprised me since I was ultimate Leo fangirl as kid.)

Back on topic: Venus de Milo. She was just so token and Mary Sue (there goes that phrase again) that I'm embarrassed to think about her.

[CyberCubed]

Venus can't be overrated because she's not liked.

For a character to be overrated you have to be popular to begin with. Disliked or minor and obscure characters cannot be overrated.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Venus can't be overrated because she's not liked.

For a character to be overrated you have to be popular to begin with. Disliked or minor and obscure characters cannot be overrated.

Good point, and something I totally blonded out on there. In that case, I'm going to go with Shredder in most incarnations.

[Konchadunga]

I still get boggled by Venus fans, and furthermore, Next Mutation fans.

Last generation, despite all the rivalry between Mirage, Fred Wolf, and 4Kids fans, the one thing they all seemed to agree on was that TNM sucked. Yet since the buyout, I've wondered if Peter Laird was the only one really holding the door closed to it and its fandom's return. It's not all that surprising that there are Venus fans on DeviantArt; she's just the sort of character many such "artists" like to create, but to see TNM rerunning on the Hub, alongside genuine classics like ALF and Batman, is much scarier. The Hub may just be capitalizing on the new popularity of the Turtles due to the new show, but why TNM? Why not one or both of the cartoons? They don't have any trouble rerunning Batman and Superman cartoons while new ones air on another channel.

That this is on TV concurrent to the new show and graphic novels says there's a risk some new fans of Venus will demand her returns in new incarnations, and Eastman might even grant it!

[Raphaeline]

- Doom Cookie: I didn't get the Transformer joke. Sorry my english may be bad, I said something strange? but yeah Raph is really different in the 87 series compared to the 2k3 or Nick series.

And I agree with you, I was a big fangirl of Leo too when I was a kid. But it's because he was the only one a bit serious in the old 87 series... then in all the other series/movies I prefer Raph.


And I don't want Venus to come back o_o

[Leo656]

To clarify, not all of us who think Raphael is overrated "hate" him. They're completely different things.

I like Raphael a lot; I simply don't think he does enough to earn all the popularity he has considering he's mostly just shown being angry, and that's it as far as character development.

[Captain PunchYouHard]

Originally Posted by Raphaeline

- Doom Cookie: I didn't get the Transformer joke. Sorry my english may be bad, I said something strange?

No, you didn't say anything strange, and it's not a failing in your excellent English. I made a lame/obscure joke.

Originally Posted by Leo656

To clarify, not all of us who think Raphael is overrated "hate" him. They're completely different things.

I like Raphael a lot; I simply don't think he does enough to earn all the popularity he has considering he's mostly just shown being angry, and that's it as far as character development.

I hate to say this, but at least as far as the 2012 series goes, the old truism that girls like assholes applies. I'm also a fan of dark and sarcastic humor, so for me Raph provides superior comic relief vis-à-vis Mikey.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well, in my opinion:

Mona Lisa- Never really saw why people liked her so much when just appeared in only one episode.

Bebop & Rocksteady- These guys may have had their moments but for 95% of the time in the OT they were totally useless.

Irma- Like others have said, people often treat like she's an important character even though really didn't help the turtles as much as April.

OT Krang- At least to some extent. While Krang was a pretty fun character and did have his cool moments (Like when he tried to kill Stockman in Enter: The Fly), he hardly ever left the Technodrome and made Shredder do all the hard stuff.

Venus- Even though the majority of TMNT fans hate her there are still people who want her to come back.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Krang's Android body looks cool. Would you prefer it looking like a generic Utrom exoskeleton like in 4kids and Nick? Hell no the android body is amazing.

I'm sorry, but no. Krang's Android body is pretty ridiculous and isn't exactly what I call one of the coolest robot designs out there. Even as a kid I thought that thing looked pretty silly.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Raphaeline

- Doom Cookie: I didn't get the Transformer joke.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Leo656

To clarify, not all of us who think Raphael is overrated "hate" him. They're completely different things.

I like Raphael a lot; I simply don't think he does enough to earn all the popularity he has considering he's mostly just shown being angry, and that's it as far as character development.

I agree with Leo656 here. I don't hate/dislike Raphael at all, its just that if his "angry" side is going to be focused on as a major significant personality trait of his, then it should be explored with just as much attention for his character development.

I mean in the 2K3 series we had a numerous episodes that basically focused on Leonardo and his character growth, why can't we have the same for Raphael?

[alliance]

i watched that mona lisa episode and I don't get it..

[ticktack]

I could suggest an overrated epidode. 2003tmnt "Same as it never was". It wasn't a perfection just it was liked because such thing(s) is not shown .. much.
The logic could be the following ML was only mutat female or female mutat that had a role in episode. Venus is only female mutant turtle that was shown on TV. Bebob and Rocksteady being villians they were also fun. OT Krang was clever(brain form), seemed cool. Shredder was shown much, looked good. Irma being a good partner, character.

[LittleBlueHero]

I'd like to throw my hat in for Krang as well. I love the new IDW interpretation of him, but generally disliked his toon forms. I find him uninteresting and visually unappealing.

[Raphaeline]

(I think "Same as it never was" is special enough to be popular, I think's it's my favorite episode because I never expected what happens in it, and the atmosphere was so sad and tragic, no episode made me feel the same way since then )

And for Raphael, I agree that I would like to see more development. Because we could see him differently in some episodes (in 2k3: the one where he's cute and caring with the grandma, the one where he helps the child, or in 2012: at the end of the episode 24 where he tries to help Donnie impress April), and I thought that in the early episodes of the Nick series where Splinter tells him to control his anger, it would bring some development to the character... but after that episode he's back to normal... so...

But well it's his temper, I don't want to see him stop being a hothead. But maybe they could develop another aspect of his personality. The fact that he hates bugs is cool in a way, we can see one of his weaknesses.

[miru]

I'd consider Ace Duck pretty overrated. Maybe his fandom is caused by nostaliga?

[Powder]

Ace Duck doesn't have a fandom, you psychopath.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Powder

Ace Duck doesn't have a fandom, you psychopath.

Was he even a character, really? I don't remember him actually appearing anywhere - though to be fair, it was a long time ago. I do sort of like him, I guess? But that's entirely based on his action figure being awesome.

[Leo656]

You're nuts. Ace Duck has millions of fans all over the galaxy! He was the undefeated Intergalactic Wrestling Champion of Stump Asteroid, his in-ring exploits seen via satellite all over the known universe! He was the Finest Feathered Fowl of Planet Perdufus!

It's just that Earth homes weren't widely satellite-ready until the early-2000s, so we mostly missed it. Seriously, look it up.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Raphaeline

- Doom Cookie: I didn't get the Transformer joke. Sorry my english may be bad, I said something strange? but yeah Raph is really different in the 87 series compared to the 2k3 or Nick series.

'More then meets the eye' is a phrase that means "There is more to that person or thing then what you just see on the surface."

And I agree with you about Mona Lisa. I don't see anything special about her, and I think her OT cartoon 'design' is incredibly ugly. I also hate that she gets stuck onto Raph by fans as a 'love interest.' If she was meant to be a 'love interest,' she would have shown up in more episodes then just that one time as a 'one off' character. They had all those seasons to do it, but they never did.